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Actually, some of the complaints towards ME3 was not exclusively based on the ending, some were about auto-dialogue, uneven character focus, Kai Leng as a character and so forth. While I still enjoy ME3, I still see it as having more than a few flaws and they are not tied to the endings.

 

Among them is the case of the DLC robo-dog... which is not even yours and you have about two lines with which consist of "good dog" and "bad dog" if I remember correctly.

 

The "Citadel" dlc was sweet, though.



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Actually, some of the complaints towards ME3 was not exclusively based on the ending, some were about auto-dialogue, uneven character focus, Kai Leng as a character and so forth. While I still enjoy ME3, I still see it as having more than a few flaws and they are not tied to the endings.

 

Among them is the case of the DLC robo-dog... which is not even yours and you have about two lines with which consist of "good dog" and "bad dog" if I remember correctly.

 

The "Citadel" dlc was sweet, though.

every game has it's flaws... mass effect 1 and 2 weren't without theirs either, all 3 have their pros and cons and all 3 to me can still provide countless hours of fun

 

maybe the entitlement era is getting to me, it just gets annoying when people **** on a game because of a few nitpicked points



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What's a nickpick to some is not so to others.

 

Some people were not bothered by the auto-dialogue, some were and others were so much that it brought down the game's enjoyment for them. The reason why some gave ME3 so low a rating might be because there were several other things coupled together that brought the game too low for their enjoyment.

 

I can play through most games and be unbothered by most things but I can see where others might not be and why that might be.



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DA2 got top reviews all over the place when it came out too. Later on, after it was clear that the game was rather "lacking", and the fans got vocal about it, several gamesites lowered their scores for it.


How is that not proof of the sites simply lacking integrity by giving in to the crowd? Let's say a reviewer honestly liked a game, because tastes are idiosyncratic. He gives it a good review. Most hate it. He changes it. Why is going along with the majority proof of the true intention? The only argument for it is the tautology: the reviewers were on the take because they didn't review it right until buckling to public pressure.

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How is that not proof of the sites simply lacking integrity by giving in to the crowd? Let's say a reviewer honestly liked a game, because tastes are idiosyncratic. He gives it a good review. Most hate it. He changes it. Why is going along with the majority proof of the true intention? The only argument for it is the tautology: the reviewers were on the take because they didn't review it right until buckling to public pressure.

 

Well, retroactively changing reviews can have two reasons! Reviewers can give in to a mob pressure, which indeed does nothing for anybody. But they can also go back over their review and realise that they made a bad call giving the game such high marks, in which case I would credit them for their integrity and the courage to assume responsibility for their mistake.

 

Most humans are subject to multiple effects when it comes to purchase satisfaction (yes, that is actually a field of study for researchers). For example, it is best practice to open a manual with a compliment on the consumer's 'brilliant' decision to purchase this 'fantastic' product. Why? because it helps dispel a possibly bad conscience for spending so much and reinforces the satisfaction of having a shiny new thingumbob (keyword: "cognitive dissonance"). More importantly, initial satisfaction seems to be very high (unless there is something particularly wrong), just because of these reasons, but the effect tapers off over time as the first excitement wears off and more and more of the not-quite-so-brilliant stuff surfaces.

 

Also, don't underestimate the effect of reviewers only having a short timeframe in which to test and write their reviews. This automatically over-emphasizes the dazzling first impression, and hides the uglies that lie under the surface, leading to inflated scores that might require revision as interaction allows a more in-depth evaluation.

 

All of this leads to the standard declining curve of approval vs. time, and it's not a bad argument at all for reviewers to revise their scores.



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I'm tired of seeing a dozen posts a day asking Bioware to completely change a programmed design.
Bugs, asking for unfinished content and DLC suggestions are one thing but they are NOT going to change things like schematics and the crafting system, removing "boring" fetch quests, turn sad romance stories into happy ones, add plot decision points, add a radial dial due to balance issues, or make a new ending...wait that might actually happen
Seriously, completely changing the entire design of an already released game just isn't going to happen so unless your suggestions are for a future release or separately played DLC that doesn't sync with your main play file (eg; bioshock infinite burial at sea) then don't expect it to happen for DA:I

Do people honestly believe Bioware will completely change the game?

It did work with Final Fantasy 14 and resulted in a great game - then, why not? I personally respect people for admitting and fixing their mistakes.

http://en.wikipedia....XIV#Development



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Yes.


Lol.

If you mean by 'buying a people's choice award' that they made a great game people loved and thus voted it game of the year, then yes, sir, you are correct.

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Feedback is given in hopes that it will be applied to the next game or DLC, most people don't expect them to change the existing game beyond bug fixes or DLC additions.


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Lol.

If you mean by 'buying a people's choice award' that they made a great game people loved and thus voted it game of the year, then yes, sir, you are correct.

 

Dont do this people... its sad.



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Dont do this people... its sad.


Do what? Speak the truth?

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How exactly do you buy a people's choice award? Aren't they determined by popular vote?



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How exactly do you buy a people's choice award? Aren't they determined by popular vote?


With a secret ballot that cannot be independently verified

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You go, OP. Show that strawman who's boss.
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You go, OP. Show that strawman who's boss.


This guy gets it

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Oh that's right, it's not just suspect, it's completely scummy.

EA pays private companies to endorse their games in every way possible- this means writing reviews, commenting on forums, etc. The company I read about said they endorsed the games in over 50,000 seperate talking points per day. Per. F'ing. Day. This also means fake reviews, fake forum comments, fake ratings. EVERYWHERE. It's a multimillion dollar industry.

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That's a serious allegation made on scant evidence.



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I didn't say it was good evidence, haha. Just something I noticed is all. I'm not a cyber detective.

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I didn't say it was good evidence, haha. Just something I noticed is all. I'm not a cyber detective.

 

Well, I'm not either, although it sounds like a fun job.  Please kindly check this out:

 

 

#15453582 The Nature of the Darkspawn: the Archdemon vs. Corypheus

photo-thumb-450148.jpg?_r=1394179114 Posted by In Exile on 27 August 2013 - 05:37 PM

In the DA2 DLC Legacy, we meet Corypheus, an allegedly ancient darkspawn. Whether or not it's right to call him a darkspawn, the common theory is that he's really one of the ancient Tevinter magisters that stepped into the Golden City that (allegedly) led to the creation of the darkspawn and the start of the blights in Thedas. 

After we kill Corypheus, we get a (strong and blatant) hint that he jumped bodies into a Grey Warden who had been assisting Hawke. This appears, at first, to look like what we are told the archdemon does in DA:O, i.e., jump into the body of a darkspawn when its body is killed.

Corypheus, however, breaks the cardinal rule we're told the archdemon has to obey: leaping into a body that has a soul. If the archdemon leaps into that body with a soul - a Grey Warden - the archdemon and Warden ostensibly die. This is how the Wardens end blights. Either Warden Corypheus can jump into ostensibly has a soul, since they were alive and well when the battle started. If the Corypheus were like an archdemon, he should have gone poof. He doesn't.

Corypheus, like the archdemon, can control darkspawn. His power over the taint seems greater. While we see in DA:O that the archdemon can reach out and touch the Wardens' minds (e.g. via dreams), it seems limited to that. There's no mind control. Corypheus, however, seems to be able to directly control not just the tainted ghouls but (at least, allegedly) the Wardens. Codex entries suggest that he can influence sorrounding areas (such as Kirkwall). 

We have, in other words, two areas - the control over the taint and the co-existence with souls - where Corypheus seems to stand above the archdemon. The Chantry's narrative over the blight is that the archdemons are its key and its controllers. But Corypheus seems to have all of the powers that an archdemon has over the taint, but on steroids. 

If the archdemons are supposed to be gods, then why is a "mere" mortal like Corypheus able to stand above them? 


I don't have answers (do I do have my own theory), but it seems interesting to speculate. Thoughts? 

Pretty much spot on Corypheus in DAI, 2 years and a half ago.  In fact, the same month BW annonced that they would stop supporting DA2. And focus on DAI.  Are you Mark Darrah, in Exile?  Nice to meet you.


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Also, though I disagree with him, In Exile has always been very respectful, which I'm sad to say, is very unusual.

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Do what? Speak the truth?

 

Told you not to do it people, sight you have no self respect. =(



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Man, I can't help but wonder about In Exile's reaction if he ever comes back.  



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He has 19700 posts. He'll be back.

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(to Xralius) I meant to this specific thread. I hope he comes back, he sounds like one of the members who writes really good speculative posts. There are some on the Telltale forums too and the posts are really good. It has just made us into a suspecious bunch that believes a small thing can prove a character's return which it totally can!

 

And lo and behold, the reused hatchet model shall herald the return of Clementine and she shall bring forth a third season - Rejoice!



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I'm tired of seeing a dozen posts a day asking Bioware to completely change a programmed design.
Bugs, asking for unfinished content and DLC suggestions are one thing but they are NOT going to change things like schematics and the crafting system, removing "boring" fetch quests, turn sad romance stories into happy ones, add plot decision points, add a radial dial due to balance issues, or make a new ending...wait that might actually happen
Seriously, completely changing the entire design of an already released game just isn't going to happen so unless your suggestions are for a future release or separately played DLC that doesn't sync with your main play file (eg; bioshock infinite burial at sea) then don't expect it to happen for DA:I

Do people honestly believe Bioware will completely change the game?

The point of this new thread being?

 

Im guessing your very young, in your teens maybe.. Voicing your opinions and concerns are indeed, how change is made..its called consumer outlash, and "player feedback & suggestions".. Its been a very powerful tool for consumers, for many years now..

 

 in all seriousness.. What were you hoping to accomplish by whining, about whiners?



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The point of this new thread being?

Im guessing your very young, in your teens maybe.. Voicing your opinions and concerns are indeed, how change is made..its called consumer outlash, and "player feedback & suggestions".. Its been a very powerful tool for consumers, for many years now..

in all seriousness.. What were you hoping to accomplish by whining, about whiners?

Yeah! I'm 7 years old! Wanna fight about it?
I played Gauntlet the first year it came out and I'm still playing it in the form of dragon age inquisition.
If I found someone under the legal age on these forums I would have them banned as they shouldn't be playing this game anyways.
This threads like a week old too
Longer than you've been a member

Edit: to answer your question; in order to get responses like yours and create a flame war that drives serious conversation points. Kind of like what the media does to bring attention to an issue