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[Rolenka]

Pfft you noble... Shem what eva... 

 

Now seroiusly: What you want is the City Elf origin from DAO lol

 

I played all of the origins, and I would say dwarf commoner, hands down. The castless aren't even deserving enough to be slaves.

 

Anyway, I think regardless of background, the real trial comes during the game itself. Being rich or poor does not prepare a person for saving the world.

 

The hero born into luxury is nevertheless greater than his or her peers, despite not needing to be. While other pampered elite would be broken before the adventure begins, your hero rises to the occasion, leaving the easy life behind and confronting what must be done.

[Han Shot First]

A noble origin for human characters often makes more sense than one with common origins, given the quasi-medieval setting. That isn't to say that you can't have a human protagonist with a common background, just that I would expect *most* human protagonists in however many DA games get made, to be nobles.

 

Nobles are going to be educated. They are also much more likely to have combat training, as they are being raised to be knights. And part of their education growing up is going to be in leadership and all the skills necessary to lead men (and women) in battle. In contrast the average commoner is probably uneducated, has never held a sword, and has had no training in combat leadership.

 

Having said that...Bioware in fact did have a human protagonist that was a commoner. His/her name was Hawke. Hawke might have noble ancestry on his mother's side of the family, but ancestry alone doesn't make one a noble. His mother effectively abandoned all rank and lands when she ran off to elope with a commoner, and a mage to boot. Hawke might be better edcuated and well-spoken compared to the average commoner, thanks to having parents who were educated, but prior to being made Champion he/she is no less common than a peasant tilling the fields.

[Vader20]

I felt the opposite, honestly, my first playthrough was devout human and now, on my second, elfy playthrough, I'm have a ton of trouble staying elfy aside from some of the artifact/ruin/exploration things.  And as an elf I have no choice but to kill or punish Ser Ruth, which really sucks.=(

 

Also, I've noticed that human noble basically replaced nobility knowledge for the bulk of the game, you didn't need it for awhile and most of the "nobility knowledge" perk conversations you could pull off with your origin choice.

what are those conversations and when do you get them ?

[Feranel]

what are those conversations and when do you get them ?

 A couple of the recruitments, a war table mission (you can utilize your family to handle two objectives otherwise you have to choose).  There's some winter palace dialogue (obviously being a Human Noble makes you a darling in the eyes of the court, as a Human Noble Champion I skated into the party with 75 something approval when I walked in the door).

 

The rest of the thing I'm running into is devout andrastian vs non devout, which isn't limited to humans per se, but on my Elf I try to stay Dalish and so a good number of Devout-Only options are locked out to me.  But if you drink the Herald of Andraste Kool-aide you have a few more conversation options and the ability to outright pardon people "In Andraste's Name" during some judgments. 

[Vader20]

 A couple of the recruitments, a war table mission (you can utilize your family to handle two objectives otherwise you have to choose).  There's some winter palace dialogue (obviously being a Human Noble makes you a darling in the eyes of the court, as a Human Noble Champion I skated into the party with 75 something approval when I walked in the door).

 

The rest of the thing I'm running into is devout andrastian vs non devout, which isn't limited to humans per se, but on my Elf I try to stay Dalish and so a good number of Devout-Only options are locked out to me.  But if you drink the Herald of Andraste Kool-aide you have a few more conversation options and the ability to outright pardon people "In Andraste's Name" during some judgments. 

I wouldn't go as an andrastian fanatic... That just seems wrong to me. When I said that the game becomes elfy,I meant that you get a lot more elf dialogues than human noble ones. Even more if you are an elven mage. I haven't made a full noble run so I don't know how it plays out until the end.

[Feranel]

I wouldn't go as an andrastian fanatic... That just seems wrong to me. When I said that the game becomes elfy,I meant that you get a lot more elf dialogues than human noble ones. Even more if you are an elven mage. I haven't made a full noble run so I don't know how it plays out until the end.

 

What's funny is my Human Noble wasn't even really "fanatical" I was first to say "I'm not the Herald" in every conversation, the only difference is that I did admit to believing in the maker early on, and ever since then I got all the devout options in dialogue, whereas my elf stated she doesn't believe in the maker, and so no devout options.

 

Between both playthroughs I personally haven't felt I got more elf or noble options than the other, they seemed about equal, just in different points in the story is all.  After haven it feels like I haven't really gotten any elf dialogue options.  I'm sure the temple of mythal will have some good opportunities, haven;t gotten there yet on my elf.   But I have noticed that certain origins can be used to substitute for the inquisitor dialogue perks,  mage and/or elven can substitute in some situations for arcane knowledge, human noble can substitute to nobility or history knowledge in some cases, Dwarven can substitute for underworld knowledge in some situations. 

[Vader20]

What's funny is my Human Noble wasn't even really "fanatical" I was first to say "I'm not the Herald" in every conversation, the only difference is that I did admit to believing in the maker early on, and ever since then I got all the devout options in dialogue, whereas my elf stated she doesn't believe in the maker, and so no devout options.

 

Between both playthroughs I personally haven't felt I got more elf or noble options than the other, they seemed about equal, just in different points in the story is all.  After haven it feels like I haven't really gotten any elf dialogue options.  I'm sure the temple of mythal will have some good opportunities, haven;t gotten there yet on my elf.   But I have noticed that certain origins can be used to substitute for the inquisitor dialogue perks,  mage and/or elven can substitute in some situations for arcane knowledge, human noble can substitute to nobility or history knowledge in some cases, Dwarven can substitute for underworld knowledge in some situations. 

Won't spoil the temple for you... Forgot to mention the romance option with Solas if you're a female. There is something that I actually did not expect to happen and it was worth playing elf for that alone and it is the reason I think that this romance is the best. Never saw it coming.

[Feranel]

Won't spoil the temple for you... Forgot to mention the romance option with Solas if you're a female. There is something that I actually did not expect to happen and it was worth playing elf for that alone and it is the reason I think that this romance is the best. Never saw it coming.

 

Oh yeah, I imagine there's a good bit with that romance and the temple, but a lot of the diplomatic interactions with Orlais, the Wardens, the Templars, etc all feel very natural to go "Yo, I'm Prince Trevelyan, Herald of Andraste, Inquisitor, you work for me now."  Like, a bunch of the lore about the spirits, the fade, the breach, and stopping Corypheus definitely feels very "elfy," but the whole becoming the Inquisitor and building the Inquisition into a powerful force on the edict of the last Divine feels very natural for a human noble.

 

Everytime we are dealing with inquisition or human political BS on my elf I keep wondering where my option to say "I don't give a **** about human politics, lets stop the breach so I can go back to my clan."

[Navasha]

The only problem being is that pretty much mirrors the dwarven backstory in this game.   They also would have a much harder time explaining why a dwarven noble is on the surface, hence why they didn't switch them.

[NedPepper]

i just wish they'd get out of the chosen one/god pc nonsense. It's rare to find an RPG where you are just a normal individual trying to survive in a harsh world...and that world doesn't revolve around your character.

 

 

Actually, there's Hawke.  It's why, conceptually, I love Dragon Age 2.  But everyone complained that Hawke wasn't "proactive"' enough and wanted another god mode superman Warden.  It's why I have such a soft spot for Hawke and his/her crew of misfits.  The struggle and the tragedy make Hawke endearing.

[Rolenka]

The only problem being is that pretty much mirrors the dwarven backstory in this game.   They also would have a much harder time explaining why a dwarven noble is on the surface, hence why they didn't switch them.

 

Not to mention how a dwarven noble is a mage.

[Vader20]

Oh yeah, I imagine there's a good bit with that romance and the temple, but a lot of the diplomatic interactions with Orlais, the Wardens, the Templars, etc all feel very natural to go "Yo, I'm Prince Trevelyan, Herald of Andraste, Inquisitor, you work for me now."  Like, a bunch of the lore about the spirits, the fade, the breach, and stopping Corypheus definitely feels very "elfy," but the whole becoming the Inquisitor and building the Inquisition into a powerful force on the edict of the last Divine feels very natural for a human noble.

 

Everytime we are dealing with inquisition or human political BS on my elf I keep wondering where my option to say "I don't give a **** about human politics, lets stop the breach so I can go back to my clan."

This is why I would have preferred to have a single human race with origin stories... Still don't know why they changed their minds. Out of the origins before the CC the human noble makes the most sense.

 

Hawke was a human and as I elf lover, I was totally fine with that.

[hong]

... Because everybody thinks you killed their Pope.
 
... And after they realize that you're the good guy, they sing your praises.

True, but that happens regardless of your background.

[Nefla]

Humans are already the privileged race by default and elves (and in DA:O dwarf commoners) fill the role of the downtrodden. If they don't make the already privileged human a noble then there wont BE an option for the player to be a noble, and a human commoner wouldn't have it nearly as bad as an elven one anyway.

 

Long story short, if you don't want to be a noble, don't restrict yourself to human only.

[TevinterSupremacist]

Next time give us tevinter noble origin...this would spice things up <.<

[Elfyoth]

Next time give us tevinter noble origin...this would spice things up <.<

If that is true so if there will be a city elf origin, he/she will be the suppoused blood sacrafice for the noble tevinter origin's dad lol

[stop_him]

I'm with Sera on this one. 

 

I am sick of these stupid human nob PCs. Currently, human female is the only character race that has been so boring, that I have never played one fully in DAO or DAI. I obviously had to for DA2. Sure, Hawke started out as a nobody, but ended up a stupid human nob anyway by mid game. I did try to play as a Cousland in DAO, but it was a snore-fest compared to any other origin story.

 

I can play a male human nob, but as I am a female human already, playing a female human nob offers me nothing to new to role-play. Those of us who can buy a console or PC and the DAI game must live comfortably enough. As such, we have running water (and frequent showers), access to good food, keep animals around for amusement rather than "livestock," etc. For the most part we live comfortable lives, comparable to the life of a human nob of Dragon Age--to a certain extent. Hence, human nob playthoughs are boring to anyone who wants to role-play, not self-insert.

 

Honestly, DA needs to step up their shemlen game. Chasind, Avvar, human living by the Qun, human freed from slavery, something--anything except (stupid) human nob would be a nice change for future games of the franchise.

[Drakul]

I'm with Sera on this one. 

 

I am sick of these stupid human nob PCs. Currently, human female is the only character race that has been so boring, that I have never played one fully in DAO or DAI. I obviously had to for DA2. Sure, Hawke started out as a nobody, but ended up a stupid human nob anyway by mid game. I did try to play as a Cousland in DAO, but it was a snore-fest compared to any other origin story.

 

I can play a male human nob, but as I am a female human already, playing a female human nob offers me nothing to new to role-play. Those of us who can buy a console or PC and the DAI game must live comfortably enough. As such, we have running water (and frequent showers), access to good food, keep animals around for amusement rather than "livestock," etc. For the most part we live comfortable lives, comparable to the life of a human nob of Dragon Age--to a certain extent. Hence, human nob playthoughs are boring to anyone who wants to role-play, not self-insert.

 

Honestly, DA needs to step up their shemlen game. Chasind, Avvar, human living by the Qun, human freed from slavery, something--anything except (stupid) human nob would be a nice change for future games of the franchise.

more nobs than porn hub

[Draining Dragon]

The life of a wealthy person is not devoid of hardship.

Nor does the life of a poor person necessarily breed evil.

[kaidanluv]

I like that in Bioware games you don't have to be completely defined by who you were. In DA you can be a nobody or from a prominent house, and you still get to become the hero. I like that they give you options because I choose nobility every time. I like that you can make your character really differ from the typical noble and make them not care about things like wealth and class status, but care for other people and their friends. It makes them not just noble by birth, but noble in personality as well, and that's why I enjoy that origin's inclusion in these games.

[Lebanese Dude]

It's simple really. What race other than humans can be played as a noble?

 

None, so that answers your question.

 

 

 

[stop_him]

more nobs than porn hub

That's what Sera calls them. Your comparison is not too far off, except the human nob background is always pretty weak (flaccid) in comparison to all others.

[Han Shot First]

That's what Sera calls them. Your comparison is not too far off, except the human nob background is always pretty weak (flaccid) in comparison to all others.

 

I couldn't disagree more with that. I thought the human noble background in DA:O was the best of the lot, because it was the background most tied in with the main plot and two of the game's antagonists. (Howe & Loghain)

[Iakus]

 A couple of the recruitments, a war table mission (you can utilize your family to handle two objectives otherwise you have to choose).  There's some winter palace dialogue (obviously being a Human Noble makes you a darling in the eyes of the court, as a Human Noble Champion I skated into the party with 75 something approval when I walked in the door).

 

Nah, it's not nearly that high.  More like 45.  Tevelyan is a noble, but a Marcher noble.  To Orlesians, that's way out in the sticks.  Barely worth calling noble.  You're almost as bad as those dog-lord Fereldens.  Which is still a step up from the  other origins, true.

 

As for my own opinion, humble origins or Royals Who Actually Do Something, either can make a good story.