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[UnearthlyCheese]

Hello all

Currently running a level 11 Mage, on NM, just arrived at Skyhold.


Looking toward the future, I'm wondering, are the plans available from "Short List" the best plans you can get (I'm a min/max'er...I like big numbers for the fun of it)? Can you only get them from the short list?

Reason I'm asking, is originally, I hadn't planned on picking up these perks....but of there the only way to get "the best gear", I may have to rethink my strategy.

Is there a soft cap on how many perk points you can unlock? I think I've used 4 so far...maybe 5.



If it turns out that I've sort of screwed myself with how I've proceeded thus far, I'm pretty much going to call it quits and return this. I'm actually really liking the gameplay and the combat. However, I don't care at all about the story, RPing....and I can't stand Bioware's trend of putting top level gear/abilities/etc etc behind plot twists / splits which, unless you research the game ahead of time, you don't realise you're making a mistake until much later in the game, and realize all that time getting to that point was wasted.

This happened to me in both DA:O and DA2 (DA:O was with the stupid max level bow from the vendor who is not there if you do certain things). Once I realized my blunder, I rerolled....but then got bored very quickly from repeating things I'd already done, and never ended up finishing either game.


I can't see myself bothering to carry on with a character who's progression I am not happy with. Since there is zero to do in these games once you reach end game, the only satisfaction I get from beating a game like this is to know that I "beat everything, cleared everything, and got every single shiny I could." Knowing there's something better out there which is unattainable due to a silly plot choice, or allocation of perk points, would drive me absolutely bonkers!!!!


If I do end up feeling like I need to reroll, I think that'll be it for me . I'll probably give MP a try (whole reason I picked up DA in the first place though was for the single player...got sick of dealing with other people while playing WoW lol)...but more than likely just give up on these type of games until one comes along that is purely combat, gameplay, gear, levels, skills, stats, abilities, etc without all the cheesy story stuff.

I don't need an encyclopedia worth of backstory in order to kill a bunch of dragons. Just give me a bunch of crazy abilities, give the dragon (mob) a ton of cool abities, and let is duke it out.

I would rather see a developer focus on creating challengingly, puzzling, fights (perhaps with "more than one way to skin the cat") as opposed to a whole whack load of lore and dialog.


Wow, that turned into a bit of a rant, lol. Sorry!

TLDR: For someone playing on Nightmare, and who follows a Min/Max approach to the game, does the best crafting gear come from the Inquisition Perk "Short List", or can it be obtained other ways (or is there equivalent gear elsewhere)?

Thanks in advance

[Jukaga]

AFAIK it unlocks one of the 'Superior' T3 sets at random each time you visit the Hissing Wastes/Emprise de Lion schematic vendors. Other vendors have ones that come up as well but the top tier schematics are only available at those two vendors. As an aside, as anyone ever seen Superior or Sturdy versions of the Battlemage Coat? I found the base T3 Battlemage coat in a chest and the arms, but no legs and no sturdy/superior versions. It looks better thant the Battlemage armor, and doesn't have the annoying floating shoulder bug that the female human mage version of Battlemage armor does.

[Sugram84]

it makes so that shops would have 1 special item, shop that sells armor schematic has 1 special armor schematic, & each time u leave the area & return there is new special schematic & the older one is gone replaced with new, its random, but yes u can get armor schematic that has higher armor rating, but the one in Hissing Waste shop is enough good, i got tiered from that travel, skyhold & to the shop, 5min & still didn't get what i wanted, & so far i have seen all the best armors look the same on inquisitor & also high medium & light armors look same to, all the best armors so far as i have seen

[Rynas]

Ha, I've restarted my 2nd playthrough multiple times now for the same reasons.  Glad I'm not the only OCD one here.

 

The Short List perk gives access to a few masterwork schematics, not all.  For example, the Hissing Wastes vendor has a chance of carrying the Superior Battlemaster Armor schematic, but not Superior Battlemaster Coat.

 

I have heard of some people claiming to have found one or more of them from random drops, but haven't found one myself.  The non-masterwork items they have (which don't require Short List) can definitely be found randomly.

 

I don't know if there's a cap on perks, but I've definitely run out of "useful" perks to take, on both playthroughs.  So if you get a decent number of agents, I wouldn't worry about "wasting" perk points.  Especially after you get the vendor who lets you buy influence.

[GoodFella146]

Try Destiny

[UnearthlyCheese]

Thanks for the quick replies!

So, it sounds like I'll be OK? I don't mind having to farm mats and/or grind a little bit in order to do a repeatable Influence quest....so long as there's no cap on how many Perk Points I can obtain.


Also, a friend of mine has been playing Destiny for a while now, and says it's really good. I haven't given it a look myself, as I thought it was a first person shooter? I'm the absolute worst at FPS games as I completely suck at aiming...always have lol. Only FPS I can play is Battlefield, because I can still be an effective teamate without really having to focus on shooting (I'm usually an engineer driver/pilot ). Maybe I'll have to give it a try.

[Rynas]

To be clear: I don't know if perk points are uncapped, but if you get agents, you'll likely run out of good things to spend perk points on.

 

Also, it's not really necessary to farm Influence directly, since eventually you'll be able to buy it.  I guess that means "farming" gold, but you should have plenty just by looting & selling.

[teks]

you can't be mad at a game because you couldn't min/max on your first playthrough. If you could, it'd defeat the entire idea of min maxing. Wiki says it best: "Min-maxing in video games is considered expert-level play as it requires a perfect understanding of the game's mechanics and systems, but once it is achieved, a game is no longer challenging."

 

By quitting early your setting yourself up for heartbreak since you didn't learn enough about the game to keep from repeating the same thing all over again.

 

That said, short list isn't required to get the best gear it just gives you a really easy way to get some of the best gear, and spending 5 inquisition perks isn't gonna hurt your ability to get them, because each agent counts as a point. All you gotta do is pick up 4 connections agents, and your next point can be short list no problem.

 

Most inquisition perks aren't game-changers anyway.

[Shevy]

AFAIK it unlocks one of the 'Superior' T3 sets at random each time you visit the Hissing Wastes/Emprise de Lion schematic vendors. Other vendors have ones that come up as well but the top tier schematics are only available at those two vendors. As an aside, as anyone ever seen Superior or Sturdy versions of the Battlemage Coat? I found the base T3 Battlemage coat in a chest and the arms, but no legs and no sturdy/superior versions. It looks better thant the Battlemage armor, and doesn't have the annoying floating shoulder bug that the female human mage version of Battlemage armor does.

Yes, I have all 3 superior T3 mage armors. As with rogue and warriors, one (arguably the best stats-wise) is sold by the canyon market and the other two need to be farmed. I would suggest Valeska's Watch entrance with 5 T3 chests. The two in the locked room seem to have the highest chance of superior T3 schematics. At least, that's what my numbers suggest.

 

@Rynas: Influence rank cap is 20.

[UnearthlyCheese]

To be clear: I don't know if perk points are uncapped, but if you get agents, you'll likely run out of good things to spend perk points on.

Also, it's not really necessary to farm Influence directly, since eventually you'll be able to buy it. I guess that means "farming" gold, but you should have plenty just by looting & selling.

Roger that! I've definitely been trying to find as many agents as I can. I'm also avoiding spending points for the sake of just putting points in a category to unlock the higher level perks...I figure I can meet all the prerequisites with agents.

[Shevy]

Roger that! I've definitely been trying to find as many agents as I can. I'm also avoiding spending points for the sake of just putting points in a category to unlock the higher level perks...I figure I can meet all the prerequisites with agents.

Forces, Secrets and Connections highest requirements can be compensated through agents, Inquisition perk not. I can't remember if the Influence rank starts at 0 or 1, but since the cap is 20 you are able to spend either 19 or 20 points. I have everything that seems worthy and still hoarding 6 points. So no hustle.

[Ally_]

Influence level is capped at 20. So that means 20 perks. 

 

Be warned though - if you somehow reach Influence level 20, influence will still add up, but you won't increase in level.

However, once you get enough points to qualify for level 21 (which won't happen since the cap is at 20) - you will get a really annoying bug that will play the influence level up sound everytime you open-close any menu.

So any kind of menu close, you will get the sound (go in inventory and exit - sound. Look at map and exit - sound. etc.)

 

This is at least on PS4, but I'm guessing it's not platform specific. 

[Shevy]

Influence level is capped at 20. So that means 20 perks. 

 

Be warned though - if you somehow reach Influence level 20, influence will still add up, but you won't increase in level.

However, once you get enough points to qualify for level 21 (which won't happen since the cap is at 20) - you will get a really annoying bug that will play the influence level up sound everytime you open-close any menu.

So any kind of menu close, you will get the sound (go in inventory and exit - sound. Look at map and exit - sound. etc.)

 

This is at least on PS4, but I'm guessing it's not platform specific. 

Can't confirm this bug on XOne.

[UnearthlyCheese]

you can't be mad at a game because you couldn't min/max on your first playthrough. If you could, it'd defeat the entire idea of min maxing. Wiki says it best: "Min-maxing in video games is considered expert-level play as it requires a perfect understanding of the game's mechanics and systems, but once it is achieved, a game is no longer challenging."

By quitting early your setting yourself up for heartbreak since you didn't learn enough about the game to keep from repeating the same thing all over again.

That said, short list isn't required to get the best gear it just gives you a really easy way to get some of the best gear, and spending 5 inquisition perks isn't gonna hurt your ability to get them, because each agent counts as a point. All you gotta do is pick up 4 connections agents, and your next point can be short list no problem.

Most inquisition perks aren't game-changers anyway.

Hmm, that's a very interesting point about min/maxing, I'll have to keep that in mind.

I'm not extreme with it, to the point that I'm looking up every single thing on my first playthrough. It's just that as I play through, each "mistake" I realize I've made starts to weigh on me (video games are serious business lol) to the point I don't want to play that character anymore. Then I reroll, and usually get bored of doing the beginning over again....or the game will get too easy, as you pointed out (I realize I probably sound crazy).

I can agree, almost all single player games get really easy when you min/max them. Bloody WoW has scarred me for life!!

[teks]

Its not as bad as my friend who restarted her character from haven when she was just about to fight the final battle, because she wanted to romance solas...And nothing is as bad as her reaction to solas's romance ending. Vulgarity is fun.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

if you dont want to spend hours farming/chest glitching then short list is  a well placed perk 

[Kaigen42]

In addition to letting you get good superior schematics from the Hissing Wastes merchant, I've seen reports that the Short List perk can get you certain purple accessories from the Griffon Keep merchant (I haven't confirmed yet, but the Superb Belt of Magic Defense and the Superb Amulet of Magic were both mentioned on one of the wikis).

 

In my experience, the Short List perk provides the best armor schematics in the game, but the best weapon schematics are acquired through other means.

 

Inquisition rank starts at 1 and goes up to 20, so you get 19 perks. You won't get all the way to 20 just by doing quests in the game (On my first run I got to level 17 by doing everything I could find, but not min/maxing war table missions); you'll end up having to buy influence from one of the Skyhold merchants if you want to max out. That said, you'll probably be hard pressed to find more than a dozen perks that you really need to have, so at some point it's all gravy.

[shazza53]

To answer an earlier question - I found the Superior T3 Battlemage Coat in a chest in Valeska's Watch.

I've done multiple play throughs and it is really hit or miss for me with the Short List Perk. The Hissing Wastes Merchant is not wanting to add anything new. Since you can find Superior Armor Sets in random chests, as well as top weapons, getting the Short List Perk is not a necessity. It can help if you are trying to get a specific armor or weapon - as much for looks as stats.

As for decision / quest based equipment - I can't think of anything that was "to die" for - nothing you can't equal through another method. Again - just my experience.

[ImDedicatedToMyApologies]

With short list you can buy a unique weapon/armor from weapon/armor shops (which cost about 20-30k). You can also buy a tier 1 masterwork material in the sky hold shop. Not worth putting 5 perks into the category imo

[Eelectrica]

In my current play through I took short list and its been a bust.
All I got for my trouble was a useless rogue hat schematic. I was better off with what I had.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

your choices are as follows for best gear:

 

chest gltich

short list

get rng'd screwed

[Novadove]

min/max = short list mandatory. hissing waste merchant random T3 schematics. save before getting the perk and travel there to farm the desired schematic

 

 

that said, it is not required for a leisure/ story / fashion-driven gameplay.

[sinosleep]

Chest glitching is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cheesy. What cracks me up the most about it is that half the people complaining about gear being OP and the game being to easy love to do it.

[ashwind]

Chest glitching is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cheesy. What cracks me up the most about it is that half the people complaining about gear being OP and the game being to easy love to do it.

 

Yes it is cheesy but the Hissing Waste merchants sells all the T3 schematics that is of similar stats. What cracks me the most with Bioware is that they insists on making utterly UGLY things and forces us to wear them and stare at them for 100+hours since Dragon Age Origins.

 

Many of us are doing it just to get certain arms and leggings and especially helmet! I dont care if I get a T1 Inquisitor Helm schematics, I wont wear the pathetic looking Orlesian helm (I have the superb t3 version btw) with "Hide Helmet" option turned on.

 

 

edit: No offense intended to those who like the Orlesian helmet... I am sure those who think that the Inquisitor helmet is ugly will keep getting them.

[sinosleep]

Yes it is cheesy but the Hissing Waste merchants sells all the T3 schematics that is of similar stats. What cracks me the most with Bioware is that they insists on making utterly UGLY things and forces us to wear them and stare at them for 100+hours since Dragon Age Origins.

 

Many of us are doing it just to get certain arms and leggings and especially helmet! I dont care if I get a T1 Inquisitor Helm schematics, I wont wear the pathetic looking Orlesian helm (I have the superb t3 version btw) with "Hide Helmet" option turned on.

Dude, the lack of not completely fugly head gear in Bioware games drives me insane. It's either hide head gear or before that it was don't wear headgear. Bioware can't make headgear to save their lives