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[raging_monkey]

Just doesn't make sense the effort Cory puts into controlling her while there are those who worship him already. As a freed slave Calpernia cannot be more skilled than a Magister.

appearently she is

[Nefla]

Neither were developed enough for me to really care either way, but dat Gideon Emery...

[dragonflight288]

Samson is a loser who got cast from the Templars for a reason.  He learns nothing from his actions and instead opts to blame everyone else. I doubt Cullen can do anything for him, the man has his own problems than to deal with that red eyed junkie. Do I hold the Chantry responsible for a lot of crimes? Yes. Did they use the Templars and made them Junkies? Yes? But once out all he did was sit in Kirkwall's alley throwing tantrums. When Cullen got out he tried to better himself by kicking his addiction.

 

Besides, he'll never beat out Calpernia. Who is far more believable as the one who succeeds and more sympathetic overall. And I can't stomach him telling my mage that he'll be a better vessel. lol!!

 

He got kicked out because he passed a love note along. That's not really a reason to kick  him out and force him to suffer the lyrium withdrawal. 

 

I'm not saying he should be defended, but it's a mistake to think he wasn't abused and used, and he was kicked out of the order for a crappy reason. It is true that he blames others for his problems, but it is also true that the people he blamed do hold some level of responsibility for how things turned out, even if they don't  hold ultimate responsibility. 

[AshesEleven]

Neither were developed enough for me to really care either way, but dat Gideon Emery...

 

I find it odd that Gideon Emery voices two people in the same scene.  I love his voice but I found it very noticeable.  

[Fiery Phoenix]

Samson was more intimidating than Calpernia. He was also a significantly tougher opponent.

 

But Calpernia wins in literally every other respect.

[Nefla]

I find it odd that Gideon Emery voices two people in the same scene.  I love his voice but I found it very noticeable.  

Which scene? I find that kind of thing amusing, like manshep talking to Hanar, Vorcha, or Volus characters or a lot of other random minor characters.

[Elisaveta]

I personally enjoyed Calpernia more but Samson is an interesting character. I too can understand why he did the things he did. Not saying they are right or that I agree with him but I can empathize with the character. That to me is a good villain.

 

Say someone like Loghain I could never muster any sort of sympathy for and really didn't give him any more thought after I killed him.

[AshesEleven]

Which scene? I find that kind of thing amusing, like manshep talking to Hanar, Vorcha, or Volus characters or a lot of other random minor characters.

 

Abelas is also voice by Gideon, right?  So you go from hearing Samson, and not a minute later you're having a chat with Abelas.  

[Catche Jagger]

Just doesn't make sense the effort Cory puts into controlling her while there are those who worship him already. As a freed slave Calpernia cannot be more skilled than a Magister.

Delegation is a very simple principal of leadership. He convinces her to do something and her followers do as she does.

Firstly, is it not possible that Calpurnia has a great deal of natural talent? Secondly, wouldn't it be a safer bet that you won't be out maneuvered by a former slave than a magister who has spent their life manipulating others? A powerful magister could turn around and bite the hand that feeds them, while a freed slave would be more likely to stick with Corypheus.

[Nefla]

Abelas is also voice by Gideon, right?  So you go from hearing Samson, and not a minute later you're having a chat with Abelas.  

Eh? Are you sure? He doesn't sound like it to me.

[AshesEleven]

Eh? Are you sure? He doesn't sound like it to me.

 

Apparently I'm not correct!  I was so sure it was him, sounds exactly like him  

[Nefla]

Apparently I'm not correct!  I was so sure it was him, sounds exactly like him

Well he is a tricky one, especially when he does an American accent (like I think Seggrit is him).

[Bigdoser]

But that's the thing, Samson helps Cory completely willingly. He was kicked out of Templars for transporting love letters for mages (WTF MEREDITH) and he was lyrium starved for it. He gave his life and risked it for the order and was kicked out because he knew his duty was to protect mages not jail them. his punishment was painful withdrawal and begging in the street and losing every bit of dignity he had so he had every right to enter a "F U WORLD" mode. The Chantry and Templars destroyed him while he dedicated his life for them. Also aren't all templars "junkies? Why is he any worse? 

 

So no OP, you are definitely not alone in liking Samson. He is a good villain, not all of them need ulterior motive.

Wow nice post I agree with you on all points that's how I see him as well you put it into better words than I did.

[SgtSteel91]

I also kind of  like that on the Samson path Meredith's Red Lyrium sword is back, but not the whole 50 ft backflips and reanimating statues.

[Battlebloodmage]

Would have preferred him if you can actually kill him. You can barely kill anyone in this game. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Would have preferred him if you can actually kill him. You can barely kill anyone in this game.

Ain't that the truth.

[Lulupab]

Delegation is a very simple principal of leadership. He convinces her to do something and her followers do as she does.

Firstly, is it not possible that Calpurnia has a great deal of natural talent? Secondly, wouldn't it be a safer bet that you won't be out maneuvered by a former slave than a magister who has spent their life manipulating others? A powerful magister could turn around and bite the hand that feeds them, while a freed slave would be more likely to stick with Corypheus.

 

Do you see Erimond betraying Corypheus? The venatori never really had a bad apple among them, they all served till death and Ironically only Caleprnia can be turned against Corypheus. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Do you see Erimond betraying Corypheus? The venatori never really had a bad apple among them, they all served till death and Ironically only Caleprnia can be turned against Corypheus.

Servis readily abandons his patrons.

Sure you can say he was third party, but he was Venatori.

[Catche Jagger]

Do you see Erimond betraying Corypheus? The venatori never really had a bad apple among them, they all served till death and Ironically only Caleprnia can be turned against Corypheus. 

 

The logic for Corypheus choosing Calpernia doesn't need to be infallible, it simply needs to be there. It is apparent through what we see in game that Calpernia is a mage of considerable talent, despite not being a magister, so picking her as a leader is not unreasonable because of that. It also seems logical to pick someone who isn't an expert in treachery to be your second-in-command. Regardless of how things actually play out, Calpernia logically seems less likely to betray Corypheus.

 

Now, I could make a leap in logic and say that it's quite possible that Corypheus elevated her to the position of leader to serve as an example to underlings that regardless of one's past, all that matters is one's loyalty to him. Even a former slave can become a general if she shows skill and a strong commitment to the cause. However, as far as I know there isn't any evidence to support such a theory, so it's just conjecture on my part.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Eh, CalpOrnia is better. 

 

 

Calp0rnia!!

[Lulupab]

Well at this point everything is possible, all I wanted to say is she is not more special than Samson and I bet her looks played a big part in her favoritism just like Meredith. 

[Big I]

I've never seen any video or gameplay with Calpernia in it, I've only played through with Samson. Samson is just not that interesting.

[Catche Jagger]

Well at this point everything is possible, all I wanted to say is she is not more special than Samson and I bet her looks played a big part in her favoritism just like Meredith. 

 

What makes her better is that she is a more dynamic character who has her own motivations for siding with Corypheus and through her personal quest one can find out more about Corypheus from a slightly sympathetic angle. What makes her "more special" is that she has more characterization than "bad things happened to me so now I just want everyone to die" and having her own motivations adds a bit of depth to a character, something Samson lacks by comparison. It isn't about their in-game skill or value, it's about what they bring to the story.

 

Also, you're going to give credit to Calpurnia's looks to explain why she's favored? Seriously? I'm not saying that Calpernia's unattractive, but she doesn't have the appeal to sell a character on it's own. You can like Samson for your reasons, like I said in my initial post, but the points you're making have stopped making sense to me.

[Lulupab]

What makes her better is that she is a more dynamic character who has her own motivations for siding with Corypheus and through her personal quest one can find out more about Corypheus from a slightly sympathetic angle. What makes her "more special" is that she has more characterization than "bad things happened to me so now I just want everyone to die" and having her own motivations adds a bit of depth to a character, something Samson lacks by comparison. It isn't about their in-game skill or value, it's about what they bring to the story.

 

Also, you're going to give credit to Calpurnia's looks to explain why she's favored? Seriously? I'm not saying that Calpernia's unattractive, but she doesn't have the appeal to sell a character on it's own. You can like Samson for your reasons, like I said in my initial post, but the points you're making have stopped making sense to me.

 

I like them both and I don't see any of them standing out. Also Samson is a bit more complicated that that, made obvious when he says he knows the abuses chantry put everyone through, specially the Templars which is true. Lyriums is not even needed for Templar abilities (see seekers) and Templars were used as expendables by their betters. He was pretty much a slave like Calpernia but his freedom didn't really free him due to Lyrum addiction.

 

Meredith pretty much had more fans mostly because of her looks in which case Orsino was greatly out of her league. (also the fact that the game is played by straight males as major players)

 

I've never seen any video or gameplay with Calpernia in it, I've only played through with Samson. Samson is just not that interesting.

 

and how many you have watched exactly? I can pretty much spam here with those who have Samson in them. The first footage of game was from Redcliff aka siding with mages aka samson.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

I think they are both effective villains. Samson felt the templars were used and abused by the Chantry. He likely lost his faith from this abuse and saw Corry as a chance to serve a real god. To have the templars sacrifice have some damn meaning for once. The red templars might all be doomed but at least this once it would be worth it. And even if Corry was false at least he was doing something to preserve the diginity of the templars, unlike the chantry which seemed superseded by how upset the templars are. Seriously, who was in change of the Templar administration in the chantry?

 

Calpernia allows you to skip a boss fight but turning her against cory, which is very fullfilling for many players. However, many other players really like being able to judge samson. Overall, whos a better main villain is very subjective.

 

 

Meredith had fans because her reasoning for her actions were sound and sympathetic. You could tell the red lyrium was the cause of her extreme action. Samson, on the other, while understandable, made many stupid destructive decisions that damned his red templars.