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[Daerog]

I don't get the Chantry hate concerning the Templar situation.

 

The Seekers kept what they did a secret. The Chantry didn't know.

 

The Seekers created the Templars, the Chantry just asked the Inquisition to help police magic and made it a part of the Chantry. The Seekers could have taught the Templars their way, or let it be known, but they didn't. The Seekers wanted to be the elite team.

 

The Templars left the Chantry, the Chantry did not kick them out.

 

The addiction to lyrium is known to recruits, they have a choice to continue or walk away.

 

Samson was kicked out by the Templars, not by some Grand Cleric.

 

All that Samson whines about being used and whatnot, the blame should be going to the Templars, or to the Seekers at the very least (but no one outside the Seekers and Inquisition know about the secrets of the Seekers, so...).

 

The Chantry just wanted to police magic, saw that Templars and lyrium helps do this, and while they did control the lyrium supply, what other way could they go? Go with the Tevinter route where mundanes are powerless against mages?

 

The Templars are very similar to the Grey Wardens, both ingest something to help them do their duty. One goes to get killed early in life, the other has difficulty with awareness and memories and such later in life. However, at least a Templar has a chance of breaking their addiction if they want to leave... good luck to the HoF for trying to find a cure for the taint.

 

 

Samson was a fool. A sad fool, but still a fool who whined and blamed others besides himself. Seeking to burn the world, betray innocent people who wished to protect their communities, the guy was an ass.

 

 

Edit: To stay on topic, I can sympathize with Calpernia's situation, so I personally prefer her. Although the disgust I have for Samson does help with him being an antagonist... still I prefer siding with the Templars anyway.

[Catche Jagger]

I like them both and I don't see any of them standing out. Also Samson is a bit more complicated that that, made obvious when he says he knows the abuses chantry put everyone through, specially the Templars which is true. Lyriums is not even needed for Templar abilities (see seekers) and Templars were used as expendables by their betters. He was pretty much a slave like Calpernia but his freedom didn't really free him due to Lyrum addiction.

Meredith pretty much had more fans mostly because of her looks in which case Orsino was greatly out of her league. (also the fact that the game is played by straight males as major players)

I know Samson is more than what I said as he is somewhat tragic as well, but my point about his lack of depth still stands.

I know about the Meredith thing. I was saying that Calpernia wasn't being favored due to her looks.

[Lulupab]

I know Samson is more than what I said as he is somewhat tragic as well, but my point about his lack of depth still stands.

I know about the Meredith thing. I was saying that Calpernia wasn't being favored due to her looks.

A villain doesn't need a depth or ulterior motive. Some people just want to see the world burn, either after what happened to them or as a personality trait. Joker from Batman series has no ulterior motive, no depth, nothing. He just wants to kill and ravage for the lols. No reason or depth behind it whatsoever.

[NeitherNor]

Joker from Batman series has no ulterior motive, no depth, nothing. He just wants to kill and ravage for the lols. No reason or depth behind it whatsoever.

 

The Joker is not necessarily without reason or depth. The comics touch on various motives he has for going after Batman or Batman's allies, but in the perhaps better known 2008 movie, his chaotic ways are, as he explains, an attempt to "show the schemers how pathetic their attempts to control things really are". He follows that up by saying: "Introduce a little anarchy, upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I'm an agent of chaos."

 

The Joker might, as Alfred says at one point, "want to watch the world burn", but not - as that other famous series has it - "to be king of the ashes".

[Lulupab]

"show the schemers how pathetic their attempts to control things really are" kinda applies to Samson as well. He doesn't want money or any personal gain, he wants to bring the chantry down because he thinks it has failed all of Thedas.

 

Their motives are the same in general. Also Samson is immune to red Lyrium so when all the Templars took it and he was quite resistant to it I think he pretty much stood out.

[Hellion Rex]

Samson was ok, but I think Calpernia was a more well written character.

[Milan92]

Calpernia wins for me, but I could sympathize with Samson.

 

I wished we encountered both regardless of the mage/templar choice.

[Catche Jagger]

A villain doesn't need a depth or ulterior motive. Some people just want to see the world burn, either after what happened to them or as a personality trait. Joker from Batman series has no ulterior motive, no depth, nothing. He just wants to kill and ravage for the lols. No reason or depth behind it whatsoever.

But unlike the Joker, Samson is given a sympathetic backstory. You're supposed to understand what led him to this point.

The Joker is a good villain despite a lack of compelling motivation because he just wants to bring chaos and isn't given some reason for doing so. He is simply a tool of destruction. That is what makes him so intimidating and interesting. Samson isn't given these qualities, and is now bringing destruction because his life was terrible.

Calpernia is also crafted to be sympathetic, just like Samson, but she is given something extra by having some personal goals which bring out greater depth.

I explained before that Samson can bring greater meaning to the story, making it in part a cautionary tale about the dangers of having too much religious zeal. However, as an individual character, Calpernia has more depth to her which, therefore, makes her more interesting to the vast majority of people, including myself.

[Boost32]

I like them both and I don't see any of them standing out. Also Samson is a bit more complicated that that, made obvious when he says he knows the abuses chantry put everyone through, specially the Templars which is true. Lyriums is not even needed for Templar abilities (see seekers) and Templars were used as expendables by their betters. He was pretty much a slave like Calpernia but his freedom didn't really free him due to Lyrum addiction.

Meredith pretty much had more fans mostly because of her looks in which case Orsino was greatly out of her league. (also the fact that the game is played by straight males as major players)



and how many you have watched exactly? I can pretty much spam here with those who have Samson in them. The first footage of game was from Redcliff aka siding with mages aka samson.

Sorry Lulu, but you are wrong about the Templars powers.
Seekers dont have the same powers of the Templars. Seekers are immune to possession, mind control and can "set fire" in the lyrium on templars/mages blood. Templar can nulify magic and are more resistant to it.
If you dont believe me, you can talk to Cassandra about it, is her first conversation. She having the Templar spec, os just gameplay.

[Lulupab]

Sorry Lulu, but you are wrong about the Templars powers.
Seekers dont have the same powers of the Templars. Seekers are immune to possession, mind control and can "set fire" in the lyrium on templars/mages blood. Templar can nulify magic and are more resistant to it.
If you dont believe me, you can talk to Cassandra about it, is her first conversation. She having the Templar spec, os just gameplay.

 

Yet Seekers undertook the most dangerous manhunts for strongest blood mages. They cannot be possessed and are immune to mind control. Seekers can also develop the ability to set the lyrium with in a person's blood aflame- an ability used to interrogate, paralyze, or kill a mage or templar. 

 

I'm sorry that you didn't know all Templar abilities are limited to melee range in the lore. Holy smite was a big fat lie at DAO for example. A Seeker is a better Templar because a Seeker is always chosen from Templar ranks who are doing well. Cassandra was a very rare exception who was recruited at a very young age. Strongest Templars become seekers.

 

Even if Seeker and Templar abilities are different Seekers are much more effective.

[Boost32]

Yet Seekers undertook the most dangerous manhunts for strongest blood mages. They cannot be possessed and are immune to mind control. Seekers can also develop the ability to set the lyrium with in a person's blood aflame- an ability used to interrogate, paralyze, or kill a mage or templar. 
 
I'm sorry that you didn't know all Templar abilities are limited to melee range in the lore. Holy smite was a big fat lie at DAO for example. A Seeker is a better Templar because a Seeker is always chosen from Templar ranks who are doing well. Cassandra was a very rare exception who was recruited at a very young age. Strongest Templars become seekers.
 
Even if Seeker and Templar abilities are different Seekers are much more effective.

I was not arguing about the Seeker or Templar roles, I was just saying lyrium is needed for templars powers.
If you think Seekers are better and Templars arent needed, its Ok, you can do it in your game.

[Lulupab]

I was not arguing about the Seeker or Templar roles, I was just saying lyrium is needed for templars powers.
If you think Seekers are better and Templars arent needed, its Ok, you can do it in your game.

 

Yes, sorry of I don't trust addicted people to police anything when they need policing themselves. Seekers are adept at bringing down Templars by turning the Lyrium against so they were intended to watch Templars as well as mages.

[Boost32]

Yes, sorry of I don't trust addicted people to police anything when they need policing themselves. Seekers are adept at bringing down Templars by turning the Lyrium against so they were intended to watch Templars as well as mages.

Look Lulu, you really should be less agressive, I dont even know why you wrote so much about something I didnt say, I was really only correcting you on Templars powers, I didnt wrote anything else about them.
If I came off as offensive or agressive in my answers, i ask you to forgive me, english is not my first language, it was not my intention.

[Master Warder Z_]

Look Lulu, you really should be less agressive

 

That's asking a lot.

[LilyasAvalon]

I would have preferred both to have shown up regardless of who we sided with. No matter what, Corypheus still has both Red Templars and Venatori backing him. They could have been the leaders for each. Basically Corypheus' Right and Left Hands. 

 

What happens to the other if you get the other as your nemesis? Are they dead?

[Boost32]

What happens to the other if you get the other as your nemesis? Are they dead?

In the Templar side, there is a note where its written that without Samson, Corypheus need the Venatori more than ever.

So I think Corypheus kills Samson, if he fails at Therinfal.

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm sorry that you didn't know all Templar abilities are limited to melee range in the lore. 

 

Speculation or Citation.

[TheLastArchivist]

If we consider the original Joker as he was conceived back in the 40s, he was just a clownish character who used to commit VERY light crimes, like stealing paintings from museums. His ulterior motive than was simply to just ****** the police off. 

 

He was not created to be the mastermind cinema made him many years later. Just a counterpart for Batman so that the hero could transmit a moral lesson for kids: never to steal, lie, cheat, asf.

[TheLastArchivist]

These new Jokers in Burton and Nolan's movies and in the new HQs are all purposefully psychotic maniacals so as to make the franchise more atttractive to adults.

 

The children of the 40s grew up and became the adults of the 70s and 80s. So they made the characters grow up alongside them. Thus more violence and grotesque themes began to permeate the Batman universe. A fine example was Robin's death after his relationship with Batman was deteriorating, something that shocked many fans.

[raging_monkey]

These new Jokers in Burton and Nolan's movies and in the new HQs are all purposefully psychotic maniacals so as to make the franchise more atttractive to adults.
 
The children of the 40s grew up and became the adults of the 70s and 80s. So they made the characters grow up alongside them. Thus more violence and grotesque themes began to permeate the Batman universe. A fine example was Robin's death after his relationship with Batman was deteriorating, something that shocked many fans.

fans decided jasons death tbf

[TheLastArchivist]

fans decided jasons death tbf

I stand corrected. 

 

A fine example was Robin's death after his relationship with Batman was deteriorating, something that delighted many avid fans in infinite, countless levels.

 

 

Much better.

[raging_monkey]

I stand corrected. 
 

 
Much better.

they actually had a vote that you had to call in. Few weeks later i understand we got jason being killed and the red hood plot

[Lulupab]

Speculation or Citation.

 

Gathering of all lores in one place and not finding a single ranged ability. And by ranged I mean throwing something other than physical objects. Are you claiming Templars can throw anti-magic lyrium blasts? I think the codex is quite clear when it says Templars cannot create magical effects out of thin air, that means they affect mages near themselves because Lyrium is inside their own body aka their source of power. If anything you should cite a Templar ability that affects mages on range.

 

Also you can call me aggressive if you want, but I'm never offensive. I argue for a living and as such it affects my life when I'm arguing outside of court.