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[Andres Hendrix]

The first enchanter and the knight commander do have authority in the circle yes. And yes it can be tightened and lengthened. When did I say otherwise? That doesn't change anything of what I said. They all go permission from the first enchanter.

 

You know what. NVM. Welcome to ignore. I see by the bolded exactly where this is going. Don't know why I bothered.

Yes, you are willfully ignorant. As far as I can tell you have not understood anything that I have written. My argument involved a restructuring of Thedaian society; and no, not into anarchy. You are not reflective, apparently a sectarian organization can have total control over the lives of a group of people--they can annihilate them  at a given notice. What do you chalk up to?  Duty? Or doing a job?

[thesuperdarkone2]

Yes, you are willfully ignorant. As far as I can tell you have not understood anything that I have written. My argument involved a restructuring of Thedaian society; and no, not into anarchy. You are not reflective, apparently a sectarian organization can have total control over the lives of a group of people--they can annihilate them  at a given notice. What do you chalk up to?  Duty? Or doing a job?

I wouldn't bother. Templar supporters just belittle and ignore anyone who doesn't agree with their view that "All mages are evil. One mage can condemn everyone but a templar is justified in everything they do. A corrupt templar is an exception but a corrupt mage means all mages are condemned."

[raging_monkey]

I wouldn't bother. Templar supporters just belittle and ignore anyone who doesn't agree with their view that "All mages are evil. One mage can condemn everyone but a templar is justified in everything they do. A corrupt templar is an exception but a corrupt mage means all mages are condemned."

same can be said of us at times

[Steelcan]

I wouldn't bother. Templar supporters just belittle and ignore anyone who doesn't agree with their view that

I find your lack of self awareness disturbing

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I wouldn't bother. Templar supporters just belittle and ignore anyone who doesn't agree with their view that.

You share all those qualities in abundance.

[Master Warder Z_]

You share all those qualities in abundance.

At least a few are willing to listen to an argument.

But I miss some of the old guard, BSN used to actually have a decent pro mage group, now all we are left with are new bloods and fanatics.

[raging_monkey]

At least a few are willing to listen to an argument.But I miss some of the old guard, BSN used to actually have a decent pro mage group, now all we are left with are new bloods and fanatics.

what was it like?

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

At least a few are willing to listen to an argument.

But I miss some of the old guard, BSN used to actually have a decent pro mage group, now all we are left with are new bloods and fanatics.

A few, but certainly not this one and I rarely see Templar supporters or Mage supporters insult each other, and take it personal. Usually they just have an argument, and sometimes heated debate, but no one insult other people for having different opinion and belief. Only some people prone to such action.

 

Yeah, what was it like? Indeed, now all we have is new bloods and fanatics.

[Sports72Xtrm]

I've never seen the bsn not take pot shots at each other. Superdrakone and the 4 posters below him already take potshots, the start of a cycle of traditional bsn bullying, ridicule, and mocking. As if anyone in the bsn has a right to judge when from where I'm standing, the bsn thrives on the making heated debates personal. Where does it start, when Ryzaki might have been narrow minded and dismissive, or when Andres called Ryzaki ignorant, blah blah blah. and then Raging Monkey says something flippant, I guess to ease the tension? Anyways it's hard not to take the issue of persecution of a minority race personal when it hits close to home, even if the scenario is fictional. It gets that way for mock UN meetings, and I'm not sure if it's "normal" not to take it personal because it's a fictional setting or to feel disconcerted that people get to develop persecution values in a fictional setting.

 

Anyways, to answer your question OP, just ally with the wardens, have briala rule through gaspard, and be antichantry in all dialogue choices and I think you might pull with Leliana as Divine. Also, goes without saying, don't support anyone else for divine in war table missions or dialogue. Personally, in my opinion, I think seekers of truth acting as Leliana's knights is the best ending. Templars need to be disbanded because it's an unhealthy occupation to be leashed to the Chantry via addiction and is just an new red templar army ready to fester. and mages will fall to red templars because they are templars on steroids so if the chantry needs a protection force, go with seekers of truth but according to the wiki you need to ally with the templars.

[raging_monkey]

I've never seen the bsn not take pot shots at each other. Superdrakone and the 4 posters below him already take potshots, the start of a cycle of traditional bsn bullying, ridicule, and mocking. As if anyone in the bsn has a right to judge when from where I'm standing, the bsn thrives on the making heated debates personal. Where does it start, when Ryzaki might have been narrow minded and dismissive, or when Andres called Ryzaki ignorant, blah blah blah. and then Raging Monkey says something flippant, I guess to ease the tension? Anyways it's hard not to take the issue of persecution of a minority race personal when it hits close to home, even if the scenario is fictional. It gets that way for mock UN meetings, and I'm not sure if it's "normal" not to take it personal because it's a fictional setting or to feel disconcerted that people get to develop persecution values in a fictional setting. Anyways, to answer your question OP, just ally with the wardens, have briala rule through gaspard, and be antichantry in all dialogue choices and I think you might pull with Leliana as Divine. Also, goes without saying, don't support anyone else for divine in war table missions or dialogue. Personally, in my opinion, I think seekers of truth acting as Leliana's knights is the best ending. Templars need to be disbanded because it's an unhealthy occupation to be leashed to the Chantry via addiction and is just an new red templar army ready to fester. and mages will fall to red templars because they are templars on steroids so if the chantry needs a protection force, go with seekers of truth but according to the wiki you need to ally with the templars.

i wouldn't go as far and say im "flippant" just a former pro-mage thats now neutral trying to keep the peace... i have pro-temps and mages as friends so i dislike seeing good debators devolve into petty potshots

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I've never seen the bsn not take pot shots at each other. 

I meant they never take it too seriously, and was rarely too personal about it. It's not just the BSN people take pot shots at each other. You're speaking of the Internet, wherein every corner people usually take pot shots at each other, and a debate here isn't always turned into petty flame war. I may seems to thinking too positive about it, but every discussion or debate is fine until people starting take it too seriously, and too personal or when a fanatic step in.

 

i wouldn't go as far and say im "flippant" just a former pro-mage thats now neutral trying to keep the peace... i have pro-temps and mages as friends so i dislike seeing good debators devolve into petty potshots

Kudos to you, monkey the peacekeeper.

[Ryzaki]

Wait I took a pot shot first? Where? (No seriously where I'm trying to stop doing that. So if I can see where I did I can mentally file it for later).

 

But yeah I'm tired of the pro-mage/pro-templar debates. They both get validated in game anyway.

[raging_monkey]

I meant they never take it too seriously, and was rarely too personal about it. It's not just the BSN people take pot shots at each other. You're speaking of the Internet, wherein every corner people usually take pot shots at each other, and a debate here isn't always turned into petty flame war. I may seems to thinking too positive about it, but every discussion or debate is fine until people starting take it too seriously, and too personal or when a fanatic step in. Kudos to you, monkey the peacekeeper.

now i just need a cowboy hat and revolver and i will be the peacekeeper.... that or cakes lol

Wait I took a pot shot first? Where? (No seriously where I'm trying to stop doing that. So if I can see where I did I can mentally file it for later). But yeah I'm tired of the pro-mage/pro-templar debates. They both get validated in game anyway.

not that i saw and im in agreement with you on MT threads

[Master Warder Z_]

A few, but certainly not this one and I rarely see Templar supporters or Mage supporters insult each other, and take it personal. Usually they just have an argument, and sometimes heated debate, but no one insult other people for having different opinion and belief. Only some people prone to such action.

Yeah, what was it like? Indeed, now all we have is new bloods and fanatics.

Well you had Xil and lulu before the name change those two and others were about like they are now.

Then you had some moderates like Ordo Justinia those were the people you could actually debate and gain or lose ground with.

Then you had a few who became one of us after a time.

I'm one of those.

I converted after being swayed on after DA2.

Ah the good old days...

[The Baconer]

 

Ah, one of my favorites.

[raging_monkey]

 Ah, one of my favorites.

damn i remember reading that... just cant remember who said that

[Master Warder Z_]

Things seemed better back then.

[Broganisity]

Oh hey guys what's going on in h-

Anyways I've always been pro-Templar logically with the belief that Mages need to learn to control their abilities and must be kept away from society until they've proven they are capable of doing so, but the game decisions always led me to being pro-mage...this has always upset me.

In Origins supporting the Templars meant eliminating the circle and any innocents left. Whereas supporting the mages let you save both...yet only get Mage support? How come the templars aren't on the field keeping an eye on the mages during the final battle?
 

Never played Dragon Age II. But the Templar Commander going crazy on a Red Lyrium statuette thing isn't exactly encouraging.

And I decided I'd try to look into both sides during Inquistion (still supporting the templars), and despite how stupid I thought the mages were for falling for a Venatori Doctor Who Time Magic trick (as I call it, anyways. But I know nothing of Doctor Who so that's a different matter entirely.) I couldn't just let Redcliffe fall into enemy hands...then I accidentally misclicked and gave them total freedom and I'm stubborn and insist all decisions are final in my playthroughs.

Why do you do this to me, Bioware; why do you make me make the hard choices?

[Bluto Blutarskyx]

I go by what my char would do-

This time around my female Mage who desires a return to the circles so she has a place to "belong" with her surrogate family- and views the templars as a form of surrogate parent after being abandoned by her real parents to the circle (it's more complex but that's the nutshell)- would ally with the templars.

My sociopathic male rogue who is kind of like a dr. Hauser/dr. Frankenstien type who kidnapped and experimented on mages by slicing them open and such sided with the mages as he felt it was simply a better way to continue his research in secret with a large population of them so close and under indirect control and if a few "disappeared" no one would notice.

Two very different equally screwed up reasons for those decisions. You don't have to agree with the decisions your char makes- just that they are the type the char you created would make-
Unless I guess if you play as if you are your own avatar.

[dragonflight288]

It does not sit right with me, but I think I will go Templar this time. I do not believe in having a major faction in a bloody civil war just going about their business as allies, like nothing happened. Therefore, I will conscript them. My main question is how does this affect the Divine outcome? I do not want Cassandra becoming Divine this time.

 

I just completed a playthrough where I conscripted the templars and made Vivienne Divine. 

 

Mages ended up with more rights and responsibilities and templars followed Cullen's example and slowly started weaning off Lyrium, and when Vivienne offered them the choice to return to the Chantry, most chose to remain with the Inquisition. 

[Andres Hendrix]

I've never seen the bsn not take pot shots at each other. Superdrakone and the 4 posters below him already take potshots, the start of a cycle of traditional bsn bullying, ridicule, and mocking. As if anyone in the bsn has a right to judge when from where I'm standing, the bsn thrives on the making heated debates personal. Where does it start, when Ryzaki might have been narrow minded and dismissive, or when Andres called Ryzaki ignorant, blah blah blah. and then Raging Monkey says something flippant, I guess to ease the tension? Anyways it's hard not to take the issue of persecution of a minority race personal when it hits close to home, even if the scenario is fictional. It gets that way for mock UN meetings, and I'm not sure if it's "normal" not to take it personal because it's a fictional setting or to feel disconcerted that people get to develop persecution values in a fictional setting.

 

Anyways, to answer your question OP, just ally with the wardens, have briala rule through gaspard, and be antichantry in all dialogue choices and I think you might pull with Leliana as Divine. Also, goes without saying, don't support anyone else for divine in war table missions or dialogue. Personally, in my opinion, I think seekers of truth acting as Leliana's knights is the best ending. Templars need to be disbanded because it's an unhealthy occupation to be leashed to the Chantry via addiction and is just an new red templar army ready to fester. and mages will fall to red templars because they are templars on steroids so if the chantry needs a protection force, go with seekers of truth but according to the wiki you need to ally with the templars.

No I said willfully ignorant, and I wrote about a restructuring of Thedain society I did not support sides. The sociopolitical system in Southern Thedas is broken. It is a system that is sectarian and reminiscent of the bigotry that came from religious groups in the real world. I wrote more on the Templars because the person I was responding to happened to be pro Templar. My position is that the whole system was destined to fail because of how stupidly it was designed to segregate Templars, Mages, and the rest of society... People need only read what I wrote, instead of assuming that I am totally against the Templars or some kind of Mage anarchist.