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[Sports72Xtrm]

That isn't hate, that isn't persecution, that is fact. You'd have to be ignoring everything that's happened thus far to not see that. Yes, the chantry over-exaggerates, which is why I said a compromise is necessary, but no, the dangers are in fact real, hence why even some dalish give up their mages if they have too many.

 

The only thing ignorant here is ignoring these truths in favor of your morality kicks that don't change reality.

The Chantry has "overexagerated" facts? What kind of fact is that? Let me enlighten you, it's the bullshit kind. As for the Dalish, the Keepers at least don't send them to the Circles. They let them roam free as apostates. What does that say about the Dalish and their opinion of mages and circles?

[Colonelkillabee]

The Chantry has "overexagerated" facts? What kind of fact is that? Let me enlighten you, it's the bullshit kind. As for the Dalish, the Keepers at least don't send them to the Circles. They let them roam free as apostates. What does that say about the Dalish and their opinion of mages and circles?

I said they over exaggerate. I didn't say they had over-exaggerated facts.... That was all your wording....

 

Anyway, the dangers of mages is not something that is bullshit, that's something that we see clearly in the game, and the Dalish do worse than abandon them to the circles.

 

You're telling me that kicking out your child in the wilderness alone to any and all dangers of the wilds where they can die is preferable to putting them somewhere where they'll be safe?

 

Need I remind you the circle mage this happened to appreciates that safety?

 

I'm not saying the circles are perfect. Hence why AGAIN, I said a compromise was needed. But circles are still needed, compromise or not.

[Colonelkillabee]

At this point, I think people are just looking for reasons to disagree.

[Sports72Xtrm]

I said they over exaggerate. I didn't say they had over-exaggerated facts.... That was all your wording....

 

Anyway, the dangers of mages is not something that is bullshit, that's something that we see clearly in the game, and the Dalish do worse than abandon them to the circles.

 

You're telling me that kicking out your child in the wilderness alone to any and all dangers of the wilds where they can die is preferable to putting them somewhere where they'll be safe?

 

Need I remind you the circle mage this happened to appreciates that safety?

 

I'm not saying the circles are perfect. Hence why AGAIN, I said a compromise was needed. But circles are still needed, compromise or not.

The mage aneirin was given to the Circle and he ran from it. He found Dalish and they helped him survive until he could fend for himself. Same with Feynriel and he's not even Dalish or elven. Ferelden's Circle was one of the most lenient and they were almost completely annulled and suffered from abominations. Kirkwall was the most stringent, and it's worse there. And mages like Cole were left in a dungeon and forgotten and starved to death in the white spire circle. No I wouldn't want my child to be in your "protected" circles since the chantry and templars seem to think judging and dismissing mage grievances is their way of solving the mage crisis. Edmonde was first enchanter of the white spire and he said, " You cannot squeeze people in a smaller and smaller box and hope they will disappear."

[raging_monkey]

I would, lol. Never get between two fighting dogs.

aww XD

[Colonelkillabee]

The mage aneirin was given to the Circle and he ran from it. He found Dalish and they helped him survive until he could fend for himself. Same with Feynriel and he's not even Dalish or elven. Ferelden's Circle was one of the most lenient and they were almost completely annulled and suffered from abominations. Kirkwall was the most stringent, and it's worse there. And mages like Cole were left in a dungeon and forgotten and starved to death in the white spire circle. No I wouldn't want my child to be in your "protected" circles since the chantry and templars seem to think judging and dismissing mage grievances is their way of solving the mage crisis. Edmonde was first enchanter of the white spire and he said, " You cannot squeeze people in a smaller and smaller box and hope they will disappear."

And then Bethany in Kirkwall of all places said the actual Circle was more safe than being an apostate.

 

Once again I said the circles aren't perfect. Far from it. WHICH IS WHY AGAIN I SAID A COMPROMISE IS NEEDED.

 

And if abandoning your children to the wilderness seems like a valid argument to you for dismissing the circle, especially the one I suggested that is only permanent for weaker and dangerous mages, but serves like a college for everyone else, then lol, that says more than I ever could.

[Sports72Xtrm]

And then Bethany in Kirkwall of all places said the actual Circle was more safe than being an apostate.

 

Once again I said the circles aren't perfect. Far from it. WHICH IS WHY AGAIN I SAID A COMPROMISE IS NEEDED.

 

And if abandoning your children to the wilderness seems like a valid argument to you for dismissing the circle, especially the one I suggested that is only permanent for weaker and dangerous mages, but serves like a college for everyone else, then lol, that says more than I ever could.

Yeah until she was about to be annuled in act 3 remember?! You're the one who seems to be ignoring the facts here.

[RobRam10]

Tevinter is the right way.

[Colonelkillabee]

Yeah until she was about to be annuled in act 3 remember?! You're the one who seems to be ignoring the facts here.

By the insane crazy chick who obviously lost her nut, yes. And omg, if I have to say I'm talking about a reformed circle one more time, I think I might lose myself to a demon, lol.

 

Seriously, there's as many people, if not more saying the majority of the circles are nowhere near as bad as all that, as there are people saying they are.

 

It took several attempts to get all the mages to rebel, and only because by then the templars forced their hand when they themselves finally lost their nut. Before Anders and Fiona's faction, mages themselves didn't even want to get rid of the circles.

 

 

[Colonelkillabee]

Oh correction, all the mages didn't even rebel, lol.

[Sports72Xtrm]

By the insane crazy chick who obviously lost her nut, yes. And omg, if I have to say I'm talking about a reformed circle one more time, I think I might lose myself to a demon, lol.

 

Seriously, there's as many people, if not more saying the majority of the circles are nowhere near as bad as all that, as there are people saying they are.

 

It took several attempts to get all the mages to rebel, and only because by then the templars forced their hand when they themselves finally lost their nut. Before Anders and Fiona's faction, mages themselves didn't even want to get rid of the circles.

Pretty sure mages disliked the Circles started way back. There was the Sprial Eye, Ferelden's apostate legend, Ferelden's Circle in Dragon Age. Starkhaven, Kirkwall, and Rivain's wasn't even following the approved curriculum. They thought that templars couldn't be defied but possibly Kirkwall and the White Spire revolt taught them otherwise. that's just it, you say that Leliana's reforms wouldn't stick but why would templars' reforms stick? you think templars are going to treat mages better if they had your mindset? Someone who's heavily biased and has confirmation bias to fuel it. I don't think so.

[Colonelkillabee]

Pretty sure mages disliked the Circles started way back. There was the Sprial Eye, Ferelden's apostate legend, Ferelden's Circle in Dragon Age. They thought that templars couldn't be defied but possibly Kirkwall and the White Spire revolt taught them otherwise. that's just it, you say that Leliana's reforms wouldn't stick but why would templars' reforms stick? you think templars are going to treat mages better if they had your mindset? I don't think so.

Cullen has my mindset and treats them well. Now anyway in the Inquisition. As does Cassandra.

 

My only mindset is being realistic and knowing that mages are dangerous and they should have a place they can go to for training, and restraining if necessary. Not a revolutionary idea. You act as if I said all mages should be enslaved.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Cullen has my mindset and treats them well. Now anyway in the Inquisition. As does Cassandra.

 

My only mindset is being realistic and knowing that mages are dangerous and they should have a place they can go to for training, and restraining if necessary. Not a revolutionary idea. You act as if I said all mages should be enslaved.

A circle is a prison. Let's be real and not pretend otherwise. Only those with noble connections or ****** themselves out to muggles are allowed privileges. those who don't have the same opportunity as those wouldn't see the circles as a place to train, it's a prison where templars constantly breathe on your neck just waiting for you to slip up. Personally, I find people with vivienne's mindset to be completely ignorant of the way of things really are and somehow has the gall to claim impartial judgement on the situation a display of vulgar arrogance. As someone once said:

 

 

 

*sees ppl misunderstanding mage rights or believing vivienne’s ultra-privileged place of power within an oppressive system and her subsequent manipulations are indicative of the way most circle mages were treated or that it even if it were true it somehow justifies supporting a power structure backed by 1000+ years of racist anti-mage abuse and murder*

[Colonelkillabee]

Oh lord, lol.

 

I'm not repeating myself verbatim anymore.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Oh lord, lol.

 

I'm not repeating myself verbatim anymore.

only in the bsn does one think that repeating their chant of hate is a way of debating.

[raging_monkey]

Oh lord, lol.
 
I'm not repeating myself verbatim anymore.

* whispers* concede its uphill and im "pro-mage"

[MisterJB]

 You can smell the self-righteous anger in here from the Cassandra thread.

 

 

[Colonelkillabee]

only in the bsn does one think that repeating their chant of hate is a way of debating.

Only in BSN do people make **** up and read what they want to read, rather than what you actually posted.

 

Nothing I've posted was hateful... you have reading comprehension issues, or are so biased that anyone who disagrees with you is "chanting hate".

[Colonelkillabee]

 You can smell the self-righteous anger in here from the Cassandra thread.

What do you mean, me?

[MisterJB]

What do you mean, me?

 

No. Sports.

 

[Colonelkillabee]

No. Sports.

Sorry, your comment obviously went over my head. And still is.

[Colonelkillabee]

ROFL, wait, the guy's name is sports WOOWW, I thought you were being sarcastic, LOL.

 

Siiigh. Fail.

[Colonelkillabee]

To explain my complete fail, I just got from another cassandra thread where I was judgmental to some really really crazy looney **** being said there, and thought you meant I was being self righteous there and brought it here

 

Once again. Fail, and FML.

[Kinsz]

If you dont support the Circles getting dissolved then clearly you are a horrible human being

[Master Warder Z_]

If you dont support the Circles getting dissolved then clearly you are a horrible human being

o.o They are the best solution.

For both parties.