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[phantomrachie]

There is a balance between keeping homosexuality/pansexuality/ect. out of video games and using said video game as a soap platform for your views. While I think Bioware tipped a bit too far into the latter, I applaud their attempt to walk that fine line.

 

As I saw a couple of people post, it seems there is this common idea among certain political circles that if you don't make a big deal out of someone's sexuality then you are "putting them in the closet." If someone doesn't explicitly talk about, revolve around, and force upon you their love preferences then the writers are not doing justice to the real-life struggles people face with said situations. 

This is simply not true. One of my favorite allegories: A boy who never really dated and never really talked about such things with his parents has gone off to college. At Christmas, he comes home much to his family's excitement. With him walks in another young man, whom the son introduces as his boyfriend. His parents greet him and they sit down and eat. There is no reason to made a conversational issue of their son's homosexuality because it doesn't matter to them either way.

 

That is how I think things should work. By focusing on someone's sexuality as their defining characteristic you do a great disservice to them. Not making it the center of attention doesn't force them in the closet. It shows respect for them.

 

The problem with this is that it totally ignores the challenges that some people in the LGBT community face and that these challenges can add to a story or make a story in themselves.

 

There are many stories about straight people overcoming adversity, I see no issues with telling a story about a gay person overcoming adversity, just because that adversity is a hot topic in today's political arena. (Not that I think that is what Dorian's quest was about)

 

I don't see why we can't have both. 

 

Characters like Sera or the man in your example, who never bring it up AND characters like Dorian, who bring it up during a personal quest.

 

There is nothing wrong with either of these depictions.

[legbamel]

It's specifically the last one that I'm picking on.  Basically I would like some non-bumbling question that is more or less "Would you mind explaining transgender to me because I don't understand it?"
 
Also, it is OT, but I actually do think it sort of overlaps with the original topic of the thread.  Not sure how the mods would interpret it honestly.

Trickily enough, you're asking a comparative stranger about their genitalia in a public setting. You don't ask Dorian if he and Felix were more than friends while ten of you are gathered around a table in the bar, you do it in an alcove in the library during a private conversation.

Imagine you're out with friends of friends IRL and one of them discovers you have a medical condition for which people have been routinely shamed, like herpes. Regardless of how you got it, how comfortable (or not) you are living with it, and the fact that ir's genuine curiosity, do you really want to discuss your genitals in mixed company?

[Hazegurl]

I think people just want the option to ask non stupid questions.  It's like with Wrex explaining the genophage in ME1.  There was no way Shepard could avoid comparing it the First Contact War, which is first class stupid.  Of course it's going to make Wrex angry.  I want a choice somewhere between "bumbling imbecile" and "magically knowledgeable about all things sensitive" but these are frequently the only options offered in situations like this.  How about "polite curiosity?"  Why is that never an option?    

Actually there is a "polite curiosity" way to ask Krem but it requires being magically (aka IRL) knowledgable on which option to select. I've seleced it once because the game sort of assumes you would know Krem is trans, I got a nice chat about it, no problem from anyone. Then I reloaded and selected the other options to see if they were as bad as I thought and sure enough you get the lecture, even when I think some of those options weren't any worse than the one that gets you the nice chat. lol! Overall, I ignore the option.

[Hazegurl]

I get what you're saying, I really do, but I'd like to put forward why I actually asked.  I hope you don't take offense.

 

Situation:  I'm sitting around with Bull and being introduced to his merry band.  At this point I really had no idea that Krem was physically a female.  I hadn't read it in the forums or anything and really just hadn't picked up on that at all.  So anyway, I am sitting around and suddenly there is Krem talking about bosom taping right in front of me.  I, the player not the inquisitor, was so thoroughly surprised, clicking on the "you're a female" option just jumped out at me.

 

That said, you're right, it was still a rude thing to do in hindsight.  I cannot argue that. 

 

P.S. - I have also learned since then that the wonderful Jennifer Hale voiced Krem!

In the idiot IQ's defense. If you're gonna get offended by someone bringing up your gender, you probably shouldn't bring up binding your boobies in front of strangers.  Although I love headcanoning my IQs thinking 'TMI moving right along.'

 

And Mark Meer is Cabot. The tavern barkeep I believe.

[ShadowWeaver2012]

I didn't see it as anything other than him not accepting to be married out of convenience. He just happens to be gay, but I think it would be the same for Dorian if he wasn't gay. He would NOT want to be forced into a marriage with anyone, period.

 

I thought the Krem back-story was done a little oddly, but women dressing/passing as men happened a lot more in those days than any of us may realize. Think about how a lot of women were treated in the poorer villages? Many women are still treated like this to this day in some parts of the world. So Krem's story isn't far fetched to me. But it was handled oddly.

 

I'm getting the feeling that we, as gamers, are getting more CHOICES, and for that I am extremely happy!

[KBomb]

It amuses me how there is one small personal mission (which being gay isn't even the focus of) and one tiny conversation about Dorian's sexual orientation and one small, tiny conversation about Krem's identity in a 150+ hour game and suddenly, Bioware is pushing agendas and forcing views.

Even though the focus on Krem lasted about two minutes, I am sure it meant the world to someone who is trans. Even though people call Dorian's situation stereotypical, I am sure someone related to that and it made their experience all the better.

I gaurantee that if Bioware would have added more options to speak with Krem in depth about being trans, there would be thirty threads dissing them for trying to choke people with liberal ideas and pushing agendas. Honestly, it's like 1950 up in here.