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[Cerulione]

Ah, I see. Yes, it is a possible interpretation based on how you envision your character. I just don't think the game attempts to establish a canon about how good or bad our Inquisitor is at chess. Not the way ME attempted to canonize a very moderate IQ for Shepard.

 

BTW, do we know what that game is called in-world? It has a hexagonal board and different pieces, so it should really have its own name.

 

We know that Bull & Solas called the pieces differently so... it must have lots of names in lots of different languages.

 

I vote for Thedas Chess

[Shelidon]

Btw... I was really hoping this was some sort of mini-game and you could actually play chess, like you can actually play dice in The Witcher. Anyone else would have enjoyed this?

[Cerulione]

Btw... I was really hoping this was some sort of mini-game and you could actually play chess, like you can actually play dice in The Witcher. Anyone else would have enjoyed this?

 

And has different Characters having different level?

 

Chess vs Solas = Master Difficulty

Chess vs Cullen = Nightmare Difficulty

Chess vs Iron Bull = Hard Difficulty

Chess vs Vivienne = Normal Difficulty

Chess vs Sera = Casual

 

I'm on, same things with card games etc. Varric is master difficulty for wicked grace, or Josie.

[ThreeF]

Can't find any video of male quizzy or lady dwarf or lady qunari playing with him, so I can't check (I only play female human/elf for... reason )

 

Found it!:

 

 

There is no "We should try and play again sometime", it just ends at "Well played"

 

So it seems, it's not about "relax time" in case of romance, it is about "love".

[Ranadiel Marius]

My interpretation of the scene was that Cullen wasn't taking the game seriously. Not that he let you win, but that he wasn't focusing entirely on the game. I mean really, he was letting himself get distracted by my Inq talking with him. Clearly it was a friendly game and not a serious one (then again I was RPing my Inq as trying to distract him to even the odds).

[ThreeF]

Btw... I was really hoping this was some sort of mini-game and you could actually play chess, like you can actually play dice in The Witcher. Anyone else would have enjoyed this?

 

me! *rises both hands*  but it's much more difficult to make an actual chess game  than dice, I think

[Ieldra]

And has different Characters having different level?

 

Chess vs Solas = Master Difficulty

Chess vs Cullen = Nightmare Difficulty

Chess vs Iron Bull = Hard Difficulty

Chess vs Vivienne = Normal Difficulty

Chess vs Sera = Casual

 

I'm on, same things with card games etc. Varric is master difficulty for wicked grace, or Josie.

Uh...I think Vivienne is much better.

[ThreeF]

My interpretation of the scene was that Cullen wasn't taking the game seriously. Not that he let you win, but that he wasn't focusing entirely on the game. I mean really, he was letting himself get distracted by my Inq talking with him. Clearly it was a friendly game and not a serious one (then again I was RPing my Inq as trying to distract him to even the odds).

 

I always let him win, it sort of makes the whole situation more dorky

[Cerulione]

Found it!:

 

 

There is no "We should try and play again sometime", it just ends at "Well played"

 

So it seems, it's not about "relax time" in case of romance, it is about "love".

 

THANKS!!! Wow, that's kind of confirming that him asking female elven/human quizzy for a replay is a flirt. YAY!!!

 

Uh...I think Vivienne is much better.

 

I put Solas & Bull & Cullen at the top since well, Solas & Bull did a good blind game in banters & we get in-game playing with Cullen. I don't recruit Viv so no confirmation from her in the matter of chess.

 

That's just an example however

[ThreeF]

Uh...I think Vivienne is much better.

 

 

I put Solas & Bull & Cullen at the top since well, Solas & Bull did a good blind game in banters & we get in-game playing with Cullen. I don't recruit Viv so no confirmation from her in the matter of chess.

 

I'm not sure about Viv, depends how you view her a strategist or a diplomat? I lean toward "opportunist", really, so a tactician perhaps? She definitely has great idea about herself if her "what a divine should be like" speech is anything to go by, whenever she lives to her own expectations is debatable.

[Qunquistador]

Ah, I see. Yes, it is a possible interpretation based on how you envision your character. I just don't think the game attempts to establish a canon about how good or bad our Inquisitor is at chess. Not the way ME attempted to canonize a very moderate IQ for Shepard.

I'm inclined to agree with this. I also play chess, so maybe that's why I got the vibe of two people who know what they're doing playing an honest game.  I didn't get any vibes from Cullen and he strikes me as an upfront and honest man. He doesn't pull punches. So I didn't question my winning in the slightest. Also, as a leader, I do think the inquisitor should know his/her way around military strategy and maneuvering. At least I see my quiz that way. She was a merc, so she's literally in the war business.

 

Winning against Josephine, otoh, seemed highly unlikely, given the fact that my quiz says upfront she has no idea of how to play cards and she's not in the business of bluffing. Not to say that Josephine isn't as honest as Cullen, but she is a diplomat. They know how to take even the worse situation and spin it so (mostly) everyone can feel good about it. More importantly, she shows throughout the game that the dignity and honor of those she loves is more important to her than what she personally wants. She even says this at one point. So even if she wants to win the game, she would never embarrass her lover by steamrolling them in front of their closest friends and colleagues.

 

But of course she has no qualms about embarrassing Cullen and leaving him bare ass naked in a tavern, which is also a good reminder of how wicked she can be if the mission calls for it. Anyway, that's what's good about this game. Different perspectives and choices lead to different, yet valid interpretations. 

[Cerulione]

I'm not sure about Viv, depends how you view her a strategist or a diplomat? I lean toward "opportunist", really, so a tactician perhaps? She definitely has great idea about herself if her "what a divine should be like" speech is anything to go by, whenever she lives to her own expectations is debatable.

 

In this case, I'll still put Solas on Master Difficulty. I'm sory Lady Viv, you're a great mage I'm sure & great Divine probably but no chance you'll win against Loki.

[ThreeF]

Anyway, that's what's good about this game. Different perspectives and choices lead to different, yet valid interpretations. 

 

The most prominent instance of this (aside from specific soften/harden quests) I've found in the Samson trial sequence, different choices make Cullen completely different person there (it almost felt like soften/harden choice) .

[Korva]

Chess with Solas would probably be better described as a Kobayashi Maru instead of Master Difficulty. And you can't even pull a Kirk on him.

[Shelidon]

The most prominent instance of this (aside from specific soften/harden quests) I've found in the Samson trial sequence, different choices make Cullen completely different person there (it almost felt like soften/harden choice) .

Wait, what?

[ThreeF]

Wait, what?

 

if you choose to make Samson serve under Cullen's supervision Cullen will say "You saw something greater than yourself once, perhaps you can be made to  remember that" in his typical Cullen manner.

 

but if you choose to exile him Cullen will say "It's too late for you to die like a templar, look into dying like a warden" and the tone it is said with implies raw hate. I think it's the single truly mean line Cullen  has said the whole DAI. Cullen knows what withdrawal is like, so this implies great deal of hate.  His hate for Samson was always there, but I feel that judging in this way you sort of bring his hate to the surface more and justify it.

 

In the first option you sort of give him a chance to try and see Samson in a different light, the second option is, imo, slippery slop for Cullen especially since he has made clear that he wants to leave hate behind and is not proud of himself for hating mages (and with mages things were much more personal)

 

If I remember correctly this is the only two options Cullen comments, he remains silent with everything else.

 

(this is what i meant, anyway, but I realize that perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying)

[N7KnightSabre]

And has different Characters having different level?

 

Chess vs Solas = Master Difficulty

Chess vs Cullen = Nightmare Difficulty

Chess vs Iron Bull = Hard Difficulty

Chess vs Vivienne = Normal Difficulty

Chess vs Sera = Casual

 

I'm on, same things with card games etc. Varric is master difficulty for wicked grace, or Josie.

 

Hmm, I actually think Cullen would be normal difficulty or Hard with Dorian being the level below him and Iron Bull would be Nightmare.  

 

Just because Cullen practiced a lot with his brother to beat his sister doesn't mean that he's an ace at it.  Sera probably doesn't have the patience for chess - it's a serious thinking game and Sera doesn't like to over think things or sit still for a long time to even finish it.

[Cerulione]

if you choose to make Samson serve under Cullen's supervision Cullen will say "You saw something greater than yourself once, perhaps you can be made to  remember that" in his typical Cullen manner.

 

but if you choose to exile him Cullen will say "It's too late for you to die like a templar, look into dying like a warden" and the tone it is said with implies raw hate. I think it's the single truly mean line Cullen  has said the whole DAI. Cullen knows what withdrawal is like, so this implies great deal of hate.  His hate for Samson was always there, but I feel that judging in this way you sort of bring his hate to the surface more and justify it.

 

In the first option you sort of give him a chance to try and see Samson in a different light, the second option is, imo, slippery slop for Cullen especially since he has made clear that he wants to leave hate behind and is not proud of himself for hating mages (and with mages things were much more personal)

 

If I remember correctly this is the only two options Cullen comments, he remains silent with everything else.

 

(this is what i meant, anyway, but I realize that perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying)

 

There's also one other moment in War Table when we need to extract some information from a Red Templar/normal Templar(?). Cullen's card suggest to "keep this guy in a prison without lyrium & he'll talk".

 

I find it quite hard from his part since well... he literally knows what going without Lyrium will mean. Still, IMO he still prefer other templars going without lyrium than using Red Lyrium tho...

[ThreeF]

There's also one other moment in War Table when we need to extract some information from a Red Templar/normal Templar(?). Cullen's card suggest to "keep this guy in a prison without lyrium & he'll talk".

 

I find it quite hard from his part since well... he literally knows what going without Lyrium will mean. Still, IMO he still prefer other templars going without lyrium than using Red Lyrium tho...

 

Yes, I noticed that too, he definitely has a strong view about red lyrium, I think that maybe it's because among other things he sees it as something that corrupted an order he held so highly esteemed in the past.  I never pick that choice, because I feel that it's not something to be encouraged, especially after listening to him talking about his past and how he is not proud of his past.  the guy always believed in something noble and always wanted to help people, I rather to encourage that.

[ThreeF]

Hmm, I actually think Cullen would be normal difficulty or Hard with Dorian being the level below him and Iron Bull would be Nightmare.  

 

Just because Cullen practiced a lot with his brother to beat his sister doesn't mean that he's an ace at it.  Sera probably doesn't have the patience for chess - it's a serious thinking game and Sera doesn't like to over think things or sit still for a long time to even finish it.

 

It's not about that, imo, Cullen's day in day out is about strategy and tactics, we just don't see it on screen much, which is a pity I think. You get a good feel about Leliana's and Josephine's abilities at WT, but not much Cullen's because there aren't many suitable missions there for him, he mostly is the "straight" choice there.

[N7KnightSabre]

It's not about that, imo, Cullen's day in day out is about strategy and tactics, we just don't see it on screen much, which is a pity I think. You get a good feel about Leliana's and Josephine's abilities at WT, but not much Cullen's because there aren't many suitable missions there for him, he mostly is the "straight" choice there.

 

You are right that him being a general would play into it, but I'm unsure just what kind of general he is.  He doesn't have enough screen time with actually strategizing his men in a fight.  I think he's competent and good, but not stellar.  I think he's more straight forward with his approach and a good chess player has to be crafty.  How he actually plays the game isn't defined enough to actually tell if he would be a more challenging opponent or not, though.  I would've loved to have actually play him and others too.  Maybe in DLC?  Here's hoping.

[frostajulie]

I self insert this scene and I always cheat.  I love how gleefully he trounces my inquisitor its like playing monopoly with my brothers all over again.

[mireisen]

When I played this scene I was upset. I didn't get the idea that Cullen let my IQ win. I hate it when people go easy on me for the sake of getting my good graces. But it was the only option I thought would work for my IQ.

 

I wish there was an option of, "Da f*ck I won? You're supposed to be my military genius! *table flip*" Poor guy will then pout and feel bad about Haven.

[Shinobu]

Does anyone have a video of an Inquisitor cheating? I'd like to see that.

 

Here is the match between IB and Solas. Apparently it was a real match played in 1851 in London and since dubbed "the Immortal Game."

[Saberchic]

When I played this scene I was upset. I didn't get the idea that Cullen let my IQ win. I hate it when people go easy on me for the sake of getting my good graces. But it was the only option I thought would work for my IQ.

 

I wish there was an option of, "Da f*ck I won? You're supposed to be my military genius! *table flip*" Poor guy will then pout and feel bad about Haven.

I don't think he did let the inquisitor win. I think the inquisitor won fair and square. For all anyone knows, the Inq could be an awesome chess player. But if people want to think he lets them win (and I think it's mostly people who romance him), I think they can certainly see it that way. Since you only play him once, it doesn't seem necessary to vary the outcomes if you play fair. I do like that you don't win if you cheat. Too many times I see the player win that way. It was nice to see them not. 

 

And count me in for a mini game in the game. I would love to play Wicked Grace or chess with my party members. I was a little disappointed that there wasn't one in there.