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[Mocksie]

I don't think he did let the inquisitor win. I think the inquisitor won fair and square. For all anyone knows, the Inq could be an awesome chess player. But if people want to think he lets them win (and I think it's mostly people who romance him), I think they can certainly see it that way. Since you only play him once, it doesn't seem necessary to vary the outcomes if you play fair. I do like that you don't win if you cheat. Too many times I see the player win that way. It was nice to see them not. 

 

And count me in for a mini game in the game. I would love to play Wicked Grace or chess with my party members. I was a little disappointed that there wasn't one in there.

 

Pretty certain the reason people think he let you win is because if you cheat, he beats you. 

 

You'd think cheating would increase your odds of winning over playing fair, so it kinda shows he is still able to beat you if he wants to and has no problem with it if you do cheat. 

 

Him letting you win if you play fair doesn't even have to be interpreted as a romantic gesture. Could be seen as simply friendly as a way of him trying to not scare you away from playing again. After all, it's not  always fun to play a game with someone if you get trounced every single time.

[Ieldra]

Pretty certain the reason people think he let you win is because if you cheat, he beats you. 

 

You'd think cheating would increase your odds of winning over playing fair, so it kinda shows he is still able to beat you if he wants to and has no problem with it if you do cheat. 

 

Him letting you win if you play fair doesn't even have to be interpreted as a romantic gesture. Could be seen as simply friendly as a way of him trying to not scare you away from playing again. After all, it's not  always fun to play a game with someone if you get trounced every single time.

I've never seen the cheat scene, but as I see it, if you cheat, your Inquisitor is not good at the game. That's why I never choose the cheat option for my main Inquisitor. I envision her as both intelligent and knowledgeable, and she comes from the Circle where I imagine they play chess a lot. If Cullen let her win, she'd notice and make a joke about it. She doesn't, and thus...it doesn't happen. BTW, this idea that he lets you win never crossed my mind in four games before someone mentioned it here, not even in the game where my Inquisitor came to love Cullen, and not even with my Cadash, where it might be plausible.

[movieguyabw]

The way he says the whole "looks like you've won" always came across to me as someone who just threw the match.   Not to mention, I remember my Inquisitor giving him a smirk, very similar to the one he gives when he knows you let him win.

 

The implication seemed to me that in both instances one of you will let the other win; and the winner will always know that the loser allowed them to.  As for the cheating outcome, I never tried it.  Always figured it'd get him angry, but from what I'm reading that doesn't seem to be the case.  I'll have to check that one out at some point. 

 

 

Him letting you win if you play fair doesn't even have to be interpreted as a romantic gesture. Could be seen as simply friendly as a way of him trying to not scare you away from playing again. After all, it's not  always fun to play a game with someone if you get trounced every single time.

 

This.  Also, someone who's really that good likely doesn't feel the need to prove it.  I don't find it surprising in the slightest that the master strategist of the Inquisition forces would let someone (especially the Inquisitor) win at chess. 

[Korva]

I'm not sure I'd call him a master strategist. Remember, he comes into his position as a total greenhorn, his only leadership experience being that of helping to keep Kirkwall from disintegrating altogether. Maybe he's got a knack for actual military planning -- logistics, strategy, tactics -- and even if he doesn't, I don't doubt for a moment that he spends a lot of his time learning the skills he needs for his new position. But I also think there's a lot of learning on the job involved, too. He's not already a known master of his field like Leliana or Josie, and I think that is partly why he's always working his ass off: he ses the high standards they set and wants to match them because nothing less will do, for the good of his troops and the Inquisition as a whole.

 

That said, I was a bit bewildered when I won our match. I guess it allows the player to decide whether their character actually won or Cullen let them. My warrior's smart and also spends a lot of time cramming the things she needs to know into her head to best serve her people, but I don't really see her as a regular chess player.

[Shinobu]

I like that it's ambiguous so we can headcanon it however we want.

 

Shooting bottles with Garrus in ME3 was slightly spoiled for me because the choices were "shoot the bottle" and "miss on purpose." I would have preferred "shoot the bottle" and "miss the bottle" so I could make up the reason for missing on my own. I would have chosen to miss if the option had been sincere. My Shepard was not as good a shot as Garrus but hit the bottle because she wouldn't lie to him. Also his response to a romanced Shepard who missed: "That's ok, I know you're good at... other things" was patronizing and somewhat creepy IMO.

[Silverskugga]

I chose to let my Cadash cheat. As I recall, it played out (simplyfied) something like:

Cullen: Aaand it looks like I won.

Cadash: Wait, what?

Cullen: *chuckle* Dorian cheats too. (Implying he's used to it and totally saw through me.)

[Shinobu]

It would have been interesting if playing chess had been a recurring thing with a variable number of wins and losses on the Inquisitor's side.

[ThreeF]

This scene irked me to a degree much like the bottle shooting one with Garrus did.  Simply because the assumption is that letting the other win is the good and decent thing to do.  A true friend would never give another  friend less than their best, otherwise it's a hollow victory and there is nothing to feel good about.  Give me your best.  If I beat you, great, if not, sincere and well meant congratulations to you, my friend.

 

Depend on how you see the scene, also in a romance setting the meaning changes a lot.

 

this is letting Cullen win as a male Inquisitor

 

 

and this is with female in romance setting

 

 

so for female you basically get this

 

Spoiler

 

I can not see this face as anything but "I so know what you did there, lucky me".  I don't think the whole point either way was about decency of it.

[Saberchic]

Pretty certain the reason people think he let you win is because if you cheat, he beats you. 

 

You'd think cheating would increase your odds of winning over playing fair, so it kinda shows he is still able to beat you if he wants to and has no problem with it if you do cheat. 

 

Him letting you win if you play fair doesn't even have to be interpreted as a romantic gesture. Could be seen as simply friendly as a way of him trying to not scare you away from playing again. After all, it's not  always fun to play a game with someone if you get trounced every single time.

He also said Dorian cheated at the game as well, so he probably knows what to look for and can spot a cheat. Thus, he can probably infer what strategies will be used and counter against it.

 

At any rate, I just don't think he's letting anybody win. There's not enough there to convince me of that, and that's fine. The scene can be interpreted differently, as we've seen from the differing opinions. *shrugs* I don't really care. I was just voicing what I believed to be true based on what I saw.

[Melbella]

The first time I played this scene my pc was a rogue, so I thought perhaps the cunning stat might figure in to whether quizzie would win if she played fair or not. Turns out....nope, my mage romancing Cullen also played fair and still won. I like that if you cheat, he wins anyway.

[NRieh]

Not sure if someone had mentioned that, but do you people know that it's possible somehow to get him playing with Leliana? I've seen the vid on YT, my guess is that it happens if player does not recruit/ kicks Dorian. But I can't be sure, same as I have no idea what triggers Cole's appearance in Cass' book scene.

[ThreeF]

Not sure if someone had mentioned that, but do you people know that it's possible somehow to get him playing with Leliana? I've seen the vid on YT, my guess is that it happens if player does not recruit/ kicks Dorian. But I can't be sure, same as I have no idea what triggers Cole's appearance in Cass' book scene.

 

From what I've been told you have either not recruit Dorian at all or recruit Dorian but not speak to him until you've played the chess scene (the game thinks he is recruited only after you speak to him for the first time apparently).
 

[duckley]

When does this game trigger?

[ThreeF]

When does this game trigger?

Not 100% sure but I think it is after the first lyrium scene (the one in which he tells you about not using it), you have to leave the Skyhold, return and go talk to him for it to trigger.

[Dieb]

I always cheat, because it fits my Inquisitor's character. I lose each time, and I like it.

 

The game lets you win enough.