Which is quite a twist. Before, I always imagine that "friendship" path is always better. Anders made me change my mind.
In this case "rivalry" path is better with Merrill or Isabela as well, and if you went with that route Merrill actually learns her lesson in the end, and Isabela will try to become a better person.
I think a lot of his traits were already their inside him he would not have been put in Slythrine if he did not have those traits already the hat don't lie after all.I wonder tho, did he develop all those traits after sorted to Slytherin or did all these traits already there since the beginning?
Snape's arc & character dev were not developed until late book 7, in which IMO most of his real character only revealed after him going to Dumbledore to ask for Lily to be saved.
Yeah, the hat also cares about what you want. But again you forget that Snape has a lot of Slytherin in him thus he could be in Gryyffindor but he isn't. Anders has none of Slytherin virtues, like not even a single one. Pettigrew was just a coward who put his own above everyone else, which is the truest of all Slytherin virtues. He might have some Gryffindor qualities. Again he is evil from Gryffindor which was my point. Even if you view Anders as evil he belongs in Gryffindor.
I don't believe Anders is evil, I believe he's selfish, Cowardly (yes he is also brave, it IS possible to be both, I think Alistair is both too btw,) dishonest, a hypocrite and an elitist. I didn't place the characters who I don't like in Slytherin, I love Morrigan for example.
Let's try not to get too worked up eh? They're only opinions after all. There is no right answer.
What about the other way around? To which fraternity would the Harry Potter wizards belong?
Dumbledore-Libertarian turned Aequitarian or Loyalist.
Slughorn-Lucrosian.
Time for another thread. XD
I don't believe Anders is evil, I believe he's selfish, Cowardly (yes he is also brave, it IS possible to be both, I think Alistair is both too btw,) dishonest, a hypocrite and an elitist. I didn't place the characters who I don't like in Slytherin, I love Morrigan for example.
Let's try not to get too worked up eh? They're only opinions after all. There is no right answer.
Anders is the most far thing from selfish, I think the word you are looking for is self righteous. He didn't gain a single thing personally but he thought he was right. And how is he a coward exactly? I'd more or less accept hypocrite and dishonest, although I'd like to point out that if you are 100% friend Anders actually tells you he has planned something which will incriminate him so he doesn't want Hawke's hand in it so he doesn't tell you what it is. Its a unique dialogue for 100% friend. You didn't trust him and he didn't trust you, so its not that much of a deal. If I don't tell the truth to the people I don't trust that doesn't make me dishonest.
I also don't understand the elitist angle. Did he only care for good mages? I'm not going worked up about it, its just that he has every single Gryffindor virtue and most things that you think he is, he isn't.
Just because of the Hissrad thing actually. Sera & him is quite difficult actually, which house?
I totally see where it would be difficult, in fact I expect plenty of people might boo me down for this, but I say Ravenclaw.
Here's my case:
It's really easy to approach the traditional traits of a house too starkly, but we all know that--for example--being brilliant doesn't automatically place someone in Ravenclaw (Hermione and McGonagall).
We also know not everyone in Slytherin is entirely made of malicious intent (Snape), however, we have yet to meet a Slytherin who isn't prone to being rather snobbish. I think a lot of it has to do with what the founder valued. Luna goes in Ravenclaw despite how spacey she is, because she's brilliant enough beneath that. I imagine that Ravenclaw (the founder) would have valued that, while Slytherin (the founder) cared a bit more about a person's external aspects...and I just don't think Bull has the attitude for Slytherin.
Iron Bull is more intelligent and more well read than people see at first glance, because what they see is a big, muscled destruction machine. He would also be pretty unhappy surrounded by those with a Slytherin attitude--this last is my ultimate rationale, because it's what matters most when it comes to sorting.
Anders almost certainly is selfish. He forces the mages into a fight that a great many of them do not want, he doesn't think about how they feel about it because he doesn't care. HE wants mages to be free, so they have to fight his silly little war whether they want to or not.
As for being cowardly, he is too scared to tell Hawke his true plans because he knows that his friends may try to talk him out of it. He is too cowardly to take the fight to the templars himself so he blows up innocents (and because he knows his beloved mages would oppose him.) He tries to martyr himself after he sees the destruction and pain he has brought upon the mages, because he can't deal with the guilt (a true cowards way out, Blackwall is similar in this regard.) I did note that he is also brave, incredibly so at times.
This why I put Iron Bull into either Ravenclaw or Hugglepuff he farthest from Slytherin in my opinion. And it did fit with Snape in a way with the traits we were shown in the novel.I totally see where it would be difficult, in fact I expect plenty of people might boo me down for this, but I say Ravenclaw.
Here's my case:
It's really easy to approach the traditional traits of a house too starkly, but we all know that--for example--being brilliant doesn't automatically place someone in Ravenclaw (Hermione and McGonagall).
We also know not everyone in Slytherin is entirely made of malicious intent (Snape), however, we have yet to meet a Slytherin who isn't prone to being rather snobbish. I think a lot of it has to do with what the founder valued. Luna goes in Ravenclaw despite how spacey she is, because she's brilliant enough beneath that. I imagine that Ravenclaw (the founder) would have valued that, while Slytherin (the founder) cared a bit more about a person's external aspects...and I just don't think Bull has the attitude for Slytherin.
Iron Bull is more intelligent and more well read than people see at first glance, because what they see is a big, muscled destruction machine. He would also be pretty unhappy surrounded by those with a Slytherin attitude--this last is my ultimate rationale, because it's what matters most when it comes to sorting.
Anders almost certainly is selfish. He forces the mages into a fight that a great many of them do not want, he doesn't think about how they feel about it because he doesn't care. HE wants mages to be free, so they have to fight his silly little war whether they want to or not.
As for being cowardly, he is too scared to tell Hawke his true plans because he knows that his friends may try to talk him out of it. He is too cowardly to take the fight to the templars himself so he blows up innocents (and because he knows his beloved mages would oppose him.) He tries to martyr himself after he sees the destruction and pain he has brought upon the mages, because he can't deal with the guilt (a true cowards way out, Blackwall is similar in this regard.) I did note that he is also brave, incredibly so at times.
Again that's a self righteous person, you imply that Anders gains something personally from mages gaining freedom. He was already free, he thought he was absolutely right and mages should be free. Thinking your belief is the right one and acting upon it is blatantly self righteous not selfish. There is no personal gain here.
As for being a coward, that's one way to put it and I can see the point but I think we can agree that his bravery stomped this since its only a one time thing and I think he also didn't want Hawke's hand in it. He was more or less successful, Hawke might be blamed for starting the mage rebellion but he is exonerated from chantry incident and that's Anders' doing.
Honestly Lulupab like with most things we aren't going to agree. I suggest we drop it, we have differing opinions, and that's all they are, opinions. You can argue all you want but I placed him in Slytherin and i'm not changing that. We both make valid points and neither viewpoint is wrong. There's really nothing more to be said.
Honestly Lulupab like with most things we aren't going to agree. I suggest we drop it, we have differing opinions, and that's all they are, opinions. You can argue all you want but I placed him in Slytherin and i'm not changing that. We both make valid points and neither viewpoint is wrong. There's really nothing more to be said.
There is no agreement or disagreement to be made here, that hat can put him in either house, but Gryffindor is more likely because Anders matches the virtues from head to toe.
Unlike most of you, I don't see Cass as Gryffindor. Hufflepuff might be closer imo, aside from her sense of humor (or lack thereof...)
I'll go with:
Gryffindor: Bravery, Daring, Nerve, and Chivalry
DA:I: Alistair, Cullen, Dorian, Sera (The whole robinhood thing sounds like gryffindor to me), and The Iron Bull (losing his eye defending Krem)
Others: Wynne, Bethany, Aveline, Anders
Hufflepuff: Hard work, Patience, Loyalty, Fair Play
DA:I Josephine, Cassandra (works hard, loyal), Cole
Others: Sten, Oghren
Ravenclaw: Intelligence, Knowledge, Wit
DA:I: Solas, Blackwall,
Others: Shale, Fenris
Slytherin: Ambition, Cunning, Resourcefulness
DA:I: Vivienne, Morrigan, Varric (fits the bill, he's just not an a-hole)
Others: Zevran, Isabela, Loghain, Flemeth, Merrill
Gryffindor
Alistair
Loghain
Oghren
Carver
Cassandra
Blackwall
Nathaniel
Gaspard
Inquisitor
Dog
Aveline
Hawke
Cousland
Hufflepuff
Sebastian
Bethany
Sten
Cailan
Sigrun
Sera
Cole
Cullen
Josephine
Ravenclaw
Merrill
Varric
Fenris
Softened Leliana
Wynne
Finn
Dorian
Solas
Slytherin
Morrigan
Zevran
Isabela
Shale
Vivienne
Iron Bull
Howe
Anders
Hardened Leliana
#SeraGryffindor
I approve of Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff as well, however.
I still keep my childhood bias, as every single "big" baddy in the books came from Slytherin
I don'tthink you guys realize that not all Slytherin people a were evil. According to JK Rowling, most of the house was pretty decent. It's a case of bad apples.
If I was in Hogwarts, I'd be a Slytherin too. A decent upstanding Slytherin...
I couldn't say for sure but something along the line of every bad guy came from Slytherin just saying.I don'tthink you guys realize that not all Slytherin people a were evil. According to JK Rowling, most of the house was pretty decent. It's a case of bad apples.
If I was in Hogwarts, I'd be a Slytherin too. A decent upstanding Slytherin...
Just as there are good Slytherins, there are bad Gryffindors. Anders was never driven by ambition or personal gain. He wasn't interested in power or riches, everything he did was for the good of his fellow mages. But he's not a supremacist, he wants them to have the same rights as the rest of the population. Unfortunately he lacked the patience and cunning to come up with a less insane plan.
Hate him and his actions all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that he's pretty much the poster boy for Gryffindor gone wrong.
Hate him and his actions all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that he's pretty much the poster boy for Gryffindor gone wrong.
Indeed. Even before merging with Anders, Justice a creature made of pure virtue of Justice saw the condition of mages as big injustice and urged Anders to fix it. It went wrong but the idea behind it is pretty much Gryffindor.
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