https://www.youtube....h?v=C7zxKMSSM4U
I agree 100% with this video, it's time to make a stand against all these developers delivering us broken games
and ripping content out of the games and putting it as pre-order content. In this digital world, we dont NEED to preorder
anymore, all games are sold both digital and retail so no one will ever risk not getting it - hence why preorder isn't useful.
Yep, I have stopped pre-ordering games a while ago. Last one was Mass Effect 3 (because I just knew I was going to get it).
The only title I am thinking about pre-ordering is The Witcher 3 but that's a special case because CDPRs business stance is just awesome and pre-ordering a DRM free game from a developer who made massive overhauls for their previous games for free for everyone is a statement in itself IMO.
Other than that, I don't plan to pre-order any game ever again. Actually, with DLC policies as they are at the moment with most large publishers, I wait for the GOTY in 99% of cases anyway. Whenever DLCs are already out or announced at day 1, I will not buy the game at release on principle.
Since this is a BioWare forum, it is worth mentionng that DA:I is a very positive exception in this trend, say about the game what you will, the fact that there is no DLC announced yet is a good thing IMO.
Guest_simfamUP_*
Good points.
I agree.
Though I'm still selling my soul for the Witcher 3.
Good points.
I agree.
Though I'm still selling my soul for the Witcher 3.
Guest_Lathrim_*
Must there be a thread on this every month? Anyways I'll say the same as always. I only preorder under special circumstances most of the time I wait ages for price drops. I still don't own watch dogs and that came out forever ago.
You have an interesting definition of forever ago. 
Isn't this exact thread title and linked video already in the forum from December? 
Anyway, like a lot of people, Mass Effect 3 taught me never to pre-order anything ever again.
You have an interesting definition of forever ago.
Guest_TrillClinton_*
With the current state of the industry I would even say don't order games on launch date. Wait for a few patches and then play
Guest_TrillClinton_*
Ahhhhhh **** it.
Guest_TrillClinton_*
^
FWIW, regardless of if you are using Agile, Scrum or Waterfall... testing is only as good as the testing plan. If your test is "can I start the game and play for ten hours without total game wipe" as your sole criteria, then you aren't likely to catch bugs that only occur during certain circumstances, with certain hardware and/or certain background applications, etc. As you can imagine, testing plans for PC games must be exponentially more robust than those of consoles.
Definitely, I just selected agile cause it is good at isolating. haha.
emm... i don't preorder BW games for example. I stopped doing that after DA2 release. And DAI is actually a prime example why you can't trust AAA developers these days. And i don't preorder games in general. However i do support indie games.
And i did some investements in Wasteland 2 game, new Torment game - Tides of Numenera. And so far i must say that WL2 actually delivered what i was expecting from this game, however character development system could have been better.
I believe that there is difference after all between gaming industry and game developmrntt... of some sort. Because so far, indie games are doing better than AAA titles from major companies. Maybe not financially for their developer, but most certainly quality wise for the end user.
So industry just keep rolling out another product - like Battlefield, Call of Duty and now even Dragon Age. Which are... well. Bugged, underdeveloped or overused titles.
And at he same time indie game development brought (at least for me) such games like This War of Mine, Endless Legend, DOS, Wasteland 2.
And year 2014 is a year of Indie games - because Indie games are better.
Guest_TrillClinton_*
I believe that there is difference after all between gaming industry and game developmrntt... of some sort. Because so far, indie games are doing better than AAA titles from major companies. Maybe not financially for their developer, but most certainly quality wise for the end user.
So industry just keep rolling out another product - like Battlefield, Call of Duty and now even Dragon Age. Which are... well. Bugged, underdeveloped, overused titles.
And at he same time indie game development brought (at least for me) such games like This War of Mine, Endless Legend, DOS, Wasteland 2.
And year 2014 is a year of Indie games - because Indie games are better.
Indie industry is interesting to me. It reminds me of auteur theory in film, in which the vision of the director was most important. In indie studios it feels like the vision of the game is directly influenced by the developer and not external factors such as "make all of your games have some online component"
Another issue.
Most of AAA games are made in such a way, that it is damn hard to fail playing this game. Challenge was removed from the games. As result game mechanics are over simplified. And overall gameplay dumbed down.
You don't have to go far for an example - Dragon Age Inquisition is a prime example of such dumbed down game.
If there is no challenge in the game, if there is no decent mechanics in the game - i consider such game a waste.
p.s. I believe BW forgot the difference between video game and visual novel.
I've had quite a few close calls this year. Every game I came close to preordering, good or not, has been riddled with bugs and issues at release. Most recently that was Viking Conquest for Mount and Blade.
I generally don't pre-order games, but all the videos on YouTube wont stop a lot of people from doing it and retailers like EB Games from trying to force you into doing it.
But I'm playing both AAA and indie games that I like while very rarely getting burned, so I'm happy enough.
I have always only pre-ordered game that I really wanted.
This thread comes up every few weeks..
...as it well should.
Pre-ordering games is always, by very default, a dumb thing to do. Pre-ordering makes an act of consumer bending over before publisher. Should go other way around. It is a shame how powers that be behind marketing have succeeded in brainwashing gamers into thinking we - must - either pre-order or at least buy in day1. If them masses had one shred of rationality to them, neither of these things would appear a sensible, good decision for anyone.
Day1 buyers and Pre-orderers(for all intents and purposes, from POV of a publisher, this is one and same group of useful idiots) have ensured creating good hype for a game is much more important than creating a good game.In current environment, investing 50 millions on advertisement can be wiser than giving additional 50 mils to game development. For publisher, good hype has more value than good game.
Just look at Destiny; Activision wasn't bortn yesterday. They knew well it'd be a dysfunctional pile of dung on release. They knew it would't get exceptionally good reviews. What to do? Delay the game by few months so Bungie gets to try and unfuk their clusterfuk? Nah. Game being utter shït has stopped preventing it from becoming a hit. You can just prevent any reviews from coming out on day one..and invest additional 100 mils on marketing. Day1 buyers and pre-orderers then proceed to do their thing. 200 million marketing budget tells them Destiny is going to be the most awesome game ever. By the time reviews and the collective "meh.." came out, game had already proven a huge hit. This approach should not be possible. It should not appear as viable, even preferable route for a Publisher.
Don't pre-order your games. And don't buy them on day1.
I have always only pre-ordered game that I really wanted.
... This is what everybody who has ever pre-ordered anything has always done. Stop pre-ordering your games. Wait for reviews, see if the game is bad,buggy or broken. Then make the decision. Is this such bad advice? It costs you immoral day1 DLC cosmetics and horse armors, in long run it buys you better games. And in collective fashion, it forces publishers to care about how good or bad their games are.
"oh please god no, not this thread again! This would not be a problem for me but I have medical condition that forces me to open threads I don't like aaarghhh" - crowd puzzles me. Sure, you've been here before. But at least this makes a real topic. At any given moment, like 50% of threads on front page are completely useless void-of-fun " what color did your avatar think today?" type of spam anyway. Old topic or not, people are actually..like..saying things here. Rare luxury.
This thread comes up every few weeks..
...as it well should.
Pre-ordering games is always, by very default, a dumb thing to do. Pre-ordering makes an act of consumer bending over before publisher. Should go other way around. It is a shame how powers that be behind marketing have succeeded in brainwashing gamers into thinking we - must - either pre-order or at least buy in day1. If them masses had one shred of rationality to them, neither of these things would appear a sensible, good decision for anyone.
Day1 buyers and Pre-orderers(for all intents and purposes, from POV of a publisher, this is one and same group of useful idiots) have ensured creating good hype for a game is much more important than creating a good game.In current environment, investing 50 millions on advertisement can be wiser than giving additional 50 mils to game development. For publisher, good hype has more value than good game.
Just look at Destiny; Activision wasn't bortn yesterday. They knew well it'd be a dysfunctional pile of dung on release. They knew it would't get exceptionally good reviews. What to do? Delay the game by few months so Bungie gets to try and unfuk their clusterfuk? Nah. Game being utter shït has stopped preventing it from becoming a hit. You can just prevent any reviews from coming out on day one..and invest additional 100 mils on marketing. Day1 buyers and pre-orderers then proceed to do their thing. 200 million marketing budget tells them Destiny is going to be the most awesome game ever. By the time reviews and the collective "meh.." came out, game had already proven a huge hit. This approach should not be possible. It should not appear as viable, even preferable route for a Publisher.
Don't pre-order your games. And don't buy them on day1.
... This is what everybody who has ever pre-ordered anything has always done. Stop pre-ordering your games. Wait for reviews, see if the game is bad,buggy or broken. Then make the decision. Is this such bad advice? It costs you immoral day1 DLC cosmetics and horse armors, in long run it buys you better games. And in collective fashion, it forces publishers to care about how good or bad their games are.
"oh please god no, not this thread again! This would not be a problem for me but I have medical condition that forces me to open threads I don't like aaarghhh" - crowd puzzles me. Sure, you've been here before. But at least this makes a real topic. At any given moment, like 50% of threads on front page are completely useless void-of-fun " what color did your avatar think today?" type of spam anyway. Old topic or not, people are actually..like..saying things here. Rare luxury.
Ah .. Thing is.. Doing it would mean I get less than the other guy who has preordered the game that I really wanted. Or sometime the price is cut. Like the Witcher for instance who do 10 % price cut on preordering.
For it to work . We need hundred of thousand of people doing it at the same time. Than I would glady do it. I would glady boycott my favourite next game with hundred of thousand of others people, but until than I will continue to preorder my favorite game. Especially developper or publisher that I trust.
it is my right. Doing it myself Why ? Why me if everyone else just preorder it ? **** it.
Also I know what I purchase. Because I think/researchabout it. I very rarely make impulsive purchase. For everything, not just for games. I always been very conscious with my spending.
But like boogie has said. Gaming it a luxury. If people want to spend hundred of dollars on a special mega edition whatever. It in their frigging right.
Guest_Puddi III_*
As long as you guys keep buying crap, someone will keep pushing it
Guest_greengoron89_*
I've pretty much stopped preordering after ME3 as well. However I kinda broke my own rule and preordered the new Game of Thrones game and that's the only game I've preordered since.
The good news however is I got a discount on GoT for preordering, and the game itself was bad ass. I regret nothing.
Haven't pre-ordered anything for a long time now, probably not since ME3. It's even rare for me to get games I want at launch now, though that's a good thing in itself.
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