And no, being flirty does not mean I was "asking for it." :| "I like that you're gay" apparently translated to "It's go time" in Bioware-ese. Makes me wonder what their relationships are like... xD
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From a technical standpoint, the game has to be able to distinguish whether or not you want the romance to play out. You have to tell the game yes or no, and the way you do that is by clicking the flirt button.
Is cool. I think I'd prefer mouth molestation. xD I mean... It was only forced in the sense that it wasn't what I intended at all.
And no, being flirty does not mean I was "asking for it." :| "I like that you're gay" apparently translated to "It's go time" in Bioware-ese. Makes me wonder what their relationships are like... xD
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At what point in the Dorian romance do you get that choice to pursue him romantically? As I recall in the Cullen romance, you get that just before the kiss scene.
IIRC, the flirt option doesn't start having big signs "You Are About to Initiate a Romance With This Character" until after both potential first-kiss scenes, which admittedly could be problematic.
Edit: Nope, nope, I was wrong. It's in the second one for sure. Let me check the first.
Edit2: It's not in the first. And the PC makes the first move in this one.
I seriously don't understand your complaint. You want a mature story driven RPG that has no connection to real world issues? I honestly don't know what that would even look like.
Eh... Dragon Age Lore in Thedas perhaps?
So basically, the TC just wants a different icon for flirting and initiating a romance? Because that's all I'm really getting from this topic.
That has possibilities in story/dialogue development.
Now, I haven't completed any of the romances, so this observation is just based on where I'm at in the various courtings.
I read the whole thing. That said, this has no credibility with me since you haven't actually finished any of the romances, gay or straight. Seriously? You couldn't wait until you finished one before offering an opinion?
The scene with Dorian's father is disturbing. I feel like I'm standing there awkwardly while younger David Gaider has an argument with his dad. IIRC he said that storyline served to purge inner demons or something along those lines.
It is supposed to be disturbing. Or well, if not "disturbing" (which is a strong word) it's certainly supposed to be evocative. Mission accomplished.
During that particular scene I like the fact that I can be supportive, even as my gal Inquisitor who has Dorian as her BFF. As an example, I usually tell Dorian "Don't leave it this way," because I know that Dorian loves his father, and just leaving with an FU to dad, while satisfying in the moment, would ultimately not make him happy. Indeed, Dorian isn't happy either way, but as he says of the conversation, "It's something."
Dorian SO needs a hug there. More hugs in Dragon Age. Wtf we get to hug Varric once if Hawke dies, and there is another one for the Cullenmancers, and that's all?
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The reason that quest chain, and also the romance, is so powerful to me is that you get to see his whole facade melt away, and that just makes me love him even more. That is the depth I see when I look at Dorian. He is in a lot of pain, afraid of rejection, convinced that he deserves it on some level, and uses his vanity, elitism, and snark to hide all of that.
The very best scene in the entire romance for me is when, on asking what the Inquisitor wants and receiving the answer of "I want more than just fun," Dorian is speechless. He doesn't have a thing to say in that moment, and it is wonderful.
This scene is even better if you go the no-sex route, and I'd argue probably more meaningful to Dorian, because of the way m/m sex is viewed in Tevinter. And then suddenly there is this man telling him that he wants a relationship without even having had sex, and he is just stunned into silence.
Nightscrawl has basically said everything I could; the Dorian romance is absolutely far and away my favorite in this game and I'm looking forward to doing it again. Yes, the initial kiss scene is a little awkward and sudden if you go for it there, but the depth you get with him later on is just. Phenomenal.
I think the OP is a little carried away. Every character in this game is a broken suitcase, including the Inquisitor. Its not just the "gay" ones. That's what makes their individual stories so interesting. I also don't think the gay characters are stereotypical. There are only 2 male characters that you can engage in a homosexual relationship with, Dorian and Iron Bull. Dorian is a bit of a metro but not overly so, and Iron Bull well I think the fetish overtones are hilarious. In both romances both are done tastefully with a bit of humor and hardly camp or borderline pornish.
Bioware has a long history of including LGBT characters in their games (they were one of the first to do so) and they have always done it with class. I don't see DA:I being any different.
LOL "Dorian is a bit of a metro." It's weird to see such a modern word applied to any DA character, but it's so true in this case haha...
LOL "Dorian is a bit of a metro." It's weird to see such a modern word applied to any DA character, but it's so true in this case haha...
Well he is, and I think its great because it fits his whole personality. But he's also kind of a ground breaking RPG character because I can't recall any other character in an RPG that was strictly homosexual. Usually if there is a gay option its on a character that a female player could also romance. So I'm impressed with that.
Well he is, and I think its great because it fits his whole personality. But he's also kind of a ground breaking RPG character because I can't recall any other character in an RPG that was strictly homosexual. Usually if there is a gay option its on a character that a female player could also romance. So I'm impressed with that.
Do you mean as a romance option or just as a companion? Because Arcade Gannon in Fallout: New Vegas is also gay. But, yeah, your point stands about how rare it is. In major AAA RPGs, I think Steve, Dorian, and Arcade are the only major gay male NPCs.
I meant as a romance option. Usually if there is a gay option its on a character that could also be straight. And usually they pretty much act straight until you start romancing them. Dorian is out, gay and proud and not afraid to show it without being framed as a perv. Thats really REALLY rare in a video game.
I meant as a romance option. Usually if there is a gay option its on a character that could also be straight. And usually they pretty much act straight until you start romancing them. Dorian is out, gay and proud and not afraid to show it without being framed as a perv. Thats really REALLY rare in a video game.
Yeah, I don't know of any other games with scripted romance story-arcs where the love interest is an openly gay man. Dorian and Steve are the only ones that I can think of.
Out of curiosity, have you finished the Dorian romance arc yet? Because this is actually discussed as part of the romance story. You and he have a discussion about what you want out of the relationship and he makes it clear that he was thinking of it as a casual thing. You can agree, you can break up with him, or you can challenge him that it's more serious and that influences the outcome of the story.
Agreeing with him seems to be bugged.
The game seemed to think I ended the romance but still let me pick the start a romance option and I get the romance starter dialogue but it wouldn't actually stick and the begin romance button REMAINED there.
Agreeing with him seems to be bugged.
The game seemed to think I ended the romance but still let me pick the start a romance option and I get the romance starter dialogue but it wouldn't actually stick and the begin romance button REMAINED there.
Ha. I wouldn't know because any quizzie of mine who is hooking up with Dorian wants to lock that fine piece of man down!
Ha. I wouldn't know because any quizzie of mine who is hooking up with Dorian wants to lock that fine piece of man down!
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I have a more free spirited Trev who will eventually marry when his parents want to. It's what he's been raised to expect after all.
Agreeing with him seems to be bugged.
The game seemed to think I ended the romance but still let me pick the start a romance option and I get the romance starter dialogue but it wouldn't actually stick and the begin romance button REMAINED there.
Sorry to hijack the thread about a Dorian romance issue, but I wanted to respond. There has been some discussion of this problem over in the Dorian thread as well.
The first kiss has two options, one of which bugs out the romance.
Option 1; in the post-Redcliffe-tavern dialog when given the option if your PC picks the heart you initiate the first kiss. The romance proceeds normally.
Option 2; in the post-Redcliffe-tavern dialog -- if you have flirted previous to the Last Resort quest -- you pick "I think you're brave" as the option. During the Giselle dialog Dorian will ask if the rumors bother you, and on picking the heart option there Dorian will initiate the first kiss. Unfortunately (as I prefer this method) this has the result of the game not properly registering that the romance has begun and the "click this button to start a romance with Dorian" option continues to appear, and his following romance quest for the amulet also does not trigger.
Sorry to hijack the thread about a Dorian romance issue, but I wanted to respond. There has been some discussion of this problem over in the Dorian thread as well.
The first kiss has two options, one of which bugs out the romance.
Option 1; in the post-Redcliffe-tavern dialog when given the option if your PC picks the heart you initiate the first kiss. The romance proceeds normally.
Option 2; in the post-Redcliffe-tavern dialog -- if you have flirted previous to the Last Resort quest -- you pick "I think you're brave" as the option. During the Giselle dialog Dorian will ask if the rumors bother you, and on picking the heart option there Dorian will initiate the first kiss. Unfortunately (as I prefer this method) this has the result of the game not properly registering that the romance has begun and the "click this button to start a romance with Dorian" option continues to appear, and his following romance quest for the amulet also does not trigger.
The thing is as long as I don't pick the let's keep this fun the romance proceeds as normal. So I'm pretty sure I didn't hit that bug.
From ME, Jack was stereotypical in a different way, where all she apparently needed was a good ****ing to fix her issues.
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She does torture nobles but only those who really deserve it. Especially those Orlesian ones.
Who gives people the right to judge others outside of court? In a court room it is suppose to be a fair trial, Sera is not someone I take as giving someone the opportunity to explain themselves and then to judge them fairly.
My favorite homosexual character in fiction is Simon Bishop, in As Good As It Gets. He seemed like a solid, normal person to me, with a lot of integrity.
You realize this is a game right? And its a rpg, you playing a role in a fantasy World, againts npc actors who also playing a role. So you meet Dorian, and if you dont like his sexuality, or way of behavior, dont use him. But Dorian is not a steroetype of this World, He is Dorian in DAI and this who he is. Plenty of gay ppl I know and meet in real Life fit the stereotype, some dont. But still this is a game, and I Think some ppl like him, and some dont. Many ppl dont like Sera I do, she is the comic relif I wanted in the game, and she says some pretty good stuff, and advice. I rather bed her then Boring Josephine, but I cant since Im a straight man, playing a Straight character, Does it bother me that i cant have a relationship with her, no, since she is good as a friend also, the only thing that bothers me is Bull trying to hit on me. And I wish I could send him on a suicide mission, since he is the one I wanted less in my party. But I cant.
It's true that he brings up the passionate thing. And that's great. But when he said, "I hope you don't think less of me," and I said, "I actually think more of you," that was not supposed to be code for "You're gay too? Let's make out!" It's really not about the relationship. I loved joking with Dorian and being flirty, but going from confirmation that he's gay from his interaction with his father to comforting him with your tongue was just way too out there for me (haha). That is, it was very out of place, it seemed. And I guess technically, it's not just about Dorian in particular, but how my character was depicted as reacting as well. After all, it was my character that initiated the kiss.
I think your problem is from clicking the heart icon too much.
There are multiple ways to go about a relationship with Dorian.
In my canon play through. Dorian doesn't even know my IQ is gay until he comes out during Dorian's meeting with his father ( I don't flirt with him). My IQ does it as a way to support him (I headcanon out the "explain company of men" line). When we head back to Skyhold and Dorian wonders what my IQ thinks of him. I tell him he's very brave for walking his own path.
Perhaps some time passes (I don't like that Giselle is there right away) my IQ sees he is being harassed by Giselle. My IQ learns that rumors are being spread about them, possibly by Giselle herself who does not approve of my IQ with Dorian, and that Dorian has been dealing with these rumors and mistreatment behind my back. Dorian is concerned and asks if it's a problem. This is a chance for my IQ to let Dorian know that he likes him, otherwise Dorian may back off completely. Dorian kisses him (Their first kiss). They then discuss what it means to see each other.
Also in Dorian's defense. By clicking the heart icon "Good things" it's the IQ who walks up on him and initiates the kiss. Dorian simply accepts. 
Also, when Dorian comes into the IQ's room for sex, the IQ can ask for him to slow down and explain that he wants a relationship. The Romance is still on with no sex until the end. Also Dorian will explain why he moves quickly, which is valid for his past.
I think your problem is from clicking the heart icon too much.
This is likely. I can be a bit of a manwhore I also still have the option of romancing him, though, so that's cool. I haven't actually followed through on the romances, because when I started the Cassandra one, it had both of us clipping through scaffolding, implying that I wasn't supposed to be there at the time. Also, I couldn't exit the terrace I was on because of said scaffolding.
This is so wrong. If you play the paragon arc and follow her romance they never have sex.
Oh? The wiki appears to disagree, as do Youtube videos. Or rather, specifically, qualifying the ability to have sex with a character based on your alignment kind of sidesteps the point.
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Jack
But yes, I think it was just the abruptness and forwardness of my own Inquisitor that was shown between Dorian and I with that kiss. I would have reacted the same way if it happened with a female character, but it doesn't in this game. That's why it sticks out to me.
Long story short, I think when it comes to guys, my Inquisitor is a creep. xD
(Also, the Iron Bull innuendo is amazing, particularly with the women in your group. 
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