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Could Cole be banished by 'Mark of the Rift'?


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Story-wise I mean. He's no demon, but even artifacts like the Litany of Adralla were capable of banishing him away, at least temporarily.

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He pretty much was a demon back then for a while, as far as I understand, at least early on. But, yes, my Inquisitor would not drop a rift near him, just to be on the safe side. Given how it can hurt or kill even fully mortal creatures, doing that anywhere near a friendly being is probably a bad idea in general.



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Since Mark of the Rift sends demons who come through Fade rifts back through it, I would figure not, since Cole didn't enter tthrough a rift. The ability seems tied to the anchor (it has the same glow after all), so it probably is restricted only to things directly affected by rifts, since they were caused by the same thing thing that gave the Inquisitor their abilities.



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I don't think that Cole can be banished by Mark of the Rift. It can only banish demons who were pulled by the Rift. Cole passed from the Fade to real world by his own will, long time before the Breach occured.



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Wait, was he truly a demon? I know he was killing people but he does that now with no ill effects. If so then he was a spirit, turned into a demon, then turned back into a compassion spirit which sounds unlikely even for him.

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IIRC Spirit & Demons differ by a very thin line, unlike what the Chantry might want people to believe. At least, we know that spirit can be twisted into demons if they are made, or start to, defy from their true purpose. Remember Solas' friend the Spirit of Wisdom in his personal quest?

 

IMO The Litany of Adralla worked to some extent in Asunder because Cole was really twisted back then. He might show some more "demon" side back then.

 

I don't think that it's black & white, Spirit or Demon. It might as well always being in the middle.

 

Cole's changed already when he passed to Thedas from the Fade. That's why it scares me always to make him more human.



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Its said that spirits embody emotions so its likely that while the line between the two is thin once can't just turn to the other and go back. Solas' friend was killed by the experience whereas Cole, while addled, shows no signs of dying. Note that Justice's name was turned to Vengeance following his fall so the Crestwood Spirit referring to him as Compassion makes it unlikely he truly turned into a demon. He may have acted like one, but Cole is already unique in that he can act against his purpose and still retain 'himself'. Hell as a 'human' he resists Corypheus' binding through sheer force of will which no other spirit or demon has done.

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Spirit of Compassion, along with Spirit of Faith, are among the strongest apparently.

 

Cole's nature is already so unique that I can imagine him being anything beside just "Spirit" or "Demon". In any case I won't label him "Demon", in Inquisition he's truly in his more "Spirit" form.



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Spirit of Compassion, along with Spirit of Faith, are among the strongest apparently.

 

Cole's nature is already so unique that I can imagine him being anything beside just "Spirit" or "Demon". In any case I won't label him "Demon", in Inquisition he's truly in his more "Spirit" form.

No he's more Human.



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Really? I thought they were the most unique, not the most powerful. Still I wonder if as a 'human' he ages and starts needing biological functions. Hopefully he never has to go through puberty since a kid with knives going through hormones is going to be a nightmare.

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No he's more Human.

 

Or that. I can't say.

 

He's not Human like any other Human. He does not need to eat. (you can bring him to a restaurant in Val Royaux once, the scene after finishing his personal quest)

 

He's not Spirit like any other Spirit, he has body like humans.



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I don't think the mark is restricted to work only on whatever comes through the rifts. As I said, perfectly mundane beings take heavy damage from it too, and it'll also happily get rid of demons who weren't hauled through a rift. Given what it looks like in-game, I interpret the abillity as what would best explained as some kind of maelstrom in the Veil, churning and blurring and tearing at the divide between the Fade and the physical world. That can't be healthy for anything unfortunate enough to be caught in its area of effect. Though I do wonder if, given the fact that the mark can protect our companions so they don't die when flung into the Fade, it could also protect them (and the Inquisitor herself) from the "maelstrom".

 

Cole is unique, regardless of what path we take with him. That's part of his appeal. Still, to me his own words (of not wanting to become a demon "again" or telling Envy that he was like it once) paint a pretty clear picture that he had pretty much lost himself back in Asunder, at least before Rhys befriended him. Maybe his self-imposed mortality, while divorcing himself from his own nature to a degree, also prevented him from fully becoming a demon?

 

I'd be curious to see a quest in which we can try to "heal" a perverted spirit. It didn't work with Solas' friend, likely because the damage was too extensive already ... but it might be possible with a spirit that was "just" confused by the real world instead of actively twisted by a mage's will?