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[D4mian21]

I've finished the game and I was very dissapointed and very angry because of one thing... I did not choose Vivienne to be a Divine, did not supported her in any way and yet she holds this damn throne. Before mission with Flemeth and Morrigan I've done Vivienne mission about her "lover" (needed to get a heart from vivern or sth) and talked with Leliana and choosed that I support her as the new divine. I've allied with mages, added Wardens to the Inquisition and choose Celene for The Orleasian empire. Don't know what went wrong but I got very mad during the end game where Morrigan speaks about what happened after... Please, help. I appreciate all the help from you guys.

[Charcoal15]

I've finished the game and I was very dissapointed and very angry because of one thing... I did not choose Vivienne to be a Divine, did not supported her in any way and yet she holds this damn throne. Before mission with Flemeth and Morrigan I've done Vivienne mission about her "lover" (needed to get a heart from vivern or sth) and talked with Leliana and choosed that I support her as the new divine. I've allied with mages, added Wardens to the Inquisition and choose Celene for The Orleasian empire. Don't know what went wrong but I got very mad during the end game where Morrigan speaks about what happened after... Please, help. I appreciate all the help from you guys.

Either the game messed up or there is a whole of hidden stuff that affects the Divine that no one knows about. By the sounds of it you should have had Leliana or maybe Cassandra, it might have been dialogue choices, if you tried to please everyone so you told people a ton of different opinions then that could affect it. Still, with those major choices then even if you told people different things you should have at least gotten Cass.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

It heavily relies on what your dialogue decisions were throughout the game. Simply telling Leliana "I'll support you!" doesn't suffice. 

[D4mian21]

@Charcoal15

I've romanced Cassandra and told her that I won't lose her to the throne.

"it might have been dialogue choices, if you tried to please everyone so you told people a ton of different opinions then that could affect it." At Heaven maybe yes (with Vivienne) but at Skyhold I talked to her maybe twice and get all talks in one time (near the end of the game). That's bother me a lot that I didn't choose Vivienne (don't like her anyway), supported Leliana and get that shitty ending (only the Divine case in the ending)

[D4mian21]

It heavily relies on what your dialogue decisions were throughout the game. Simply telling Leliana "I'll support you!" doesn't suffice. 

I've Supported Leliana all the way in the game and spoke with Vivienne just a few times trough the whole playtrough ;/

[TudorWolf]

This is something that seriously bugs me about that choice. Viv should not be the one unless you explicitly support her, and even then it should logically be an uphill struggle. She's a mage for heaven's sake, it's amazing she's considered at all

[D4mian21]

This is something that seriously bugs me about that choice. Viv should not be the one unless you explicitly support her, and even then it should logically be an uphill struggle. She's a mage for heaven's sake, it's amazing she's considered at all

True.

Most hillarious is, that I've spoken about divine with Vivienne once (there is only one talk with her about that i suppose) and choose "What about Leliana?" and stuff didn't worked at all...

[Lukas Trevelyan]

I've Supported Leliana all the way in the game and spoke with Vivienne just a few times trough the whole playtrough ;/

It's not just speaking with either of them, but speaking whenever the subject of mage/templar/chantry. If you don't support mage freedom and chantry reformation then you're heavily affecting there being any chance for Leliana to be divine. Supporting Celene also seems to account for raising Vivienne to power. 

[D4mian21]

It's not just speaking with either of them, but speaking whenever the subject of mage/templar/chantry. If you don't support mage freedom and chantry reformation then you're heavily affecting there being any chance for Leliana to be divine. Supporting Celene also seems to account for raising Vivienne to power. 

I've supported the mage freedom but about chantry reformation I'm not sure (possibly not). And I know that just speaking with them isn't the case

So there isn't any remedy for this?

 

@Edit
I've heard about missions from every one that provides whoever I choosed my "vote" for the divine or "confirmation" that "the chosen one" will be a new Divine. Which missions are those missions. Or am I wrong about that missions (get me straight then)

Modifié par D4mian21, 13 janvier 2015 - 09:28 .

[Daerog]

Mages get more freedom no matter who becomes Divine. Either mages lead the Circle (directly through Chantry or with Chantry support/supervision) or the Circle is disbanded.

 

 

Did you tell Vivienne that mages should be a part of the Circle? Did you ask if the Divine should be held to the standards that Vivienne places on herself? Did you say the Chantry failed (support Leliana, I think), needs reform (I think this supports Cass), or is needed as it is (Viv, I think).

 

There is a thread that lists people's choices in the game and the epilogue results... I'll see if I can find it...

[D4mian21]

Mages get more freedom no matter who becomes Divine. Either mages lead the Circle (directly through Chantry or with Chantry support/supervision) or the Circle is disbanded.

 

 

Did you tell Vivienne that mages should be a part of the Circle? Did you ask if the Divine should be held to the standards that Vivienne places on herself? Did you say the Chantry failed (support Leliana, I think), needs reform (I think this supports Cass), or is needed as it is (Viv, I think).

 

There is a thread that lists people's choices in the game and the epilogue results... I'll see if I can find it...

"Did you tell Vivienne that mages should be a part of the Circle?" - I'm afraid so..

"Did you ask if the Divine should be held to the standards that Vivienne places on herself?" - definitely not

"Did you say the Chantry failed (support Leliana, I think)," - don't remember but probably yes

"needs reform (I think this supports Cass)," - Don't remember

"or is needed as it is (Viv, I think)." - No

[Shelidon]

I've Supported Leliana all the way in the game and spoke with Vivienne just a few times trough the whole playtrough ;/

I think that's fitting.
You ignored her and she outplayed you behind your back.
Jokes aside, I think it's better if you do talk with her and you openly disagree on the main political issues that constitute her agenda. That said, I don't think she's a bad Divine. If anything bugs me, I would have wanted a way to boycott the Chantry, but that's one road you don't get to travel.

[D4mian21]

I think that's fitting.
You ignored her and she outplayed you behind your back.
Jokes aside, I think it's better if you do talk with her and you openly disagree on the main political issues that constitute her agenda. That said, I don't think she's a bad Divine. If anything bugs me, I would have wanted a way to boycott the Chantry, but that's one road you don't get to travel.

"I think it's better if you do talk with her and you openly disagree on the main political issues that constitute her agenda." - Then I need to play the whole game again (I will do this anyway soon, but I wanted Leliana to be the new Divine at first playtrough), because I assume that my pre flemeth mission save will not be sufficient (I have saves from earlier parts of the game but don't want to play it all over again).

For me she is a "bad Divine". She have done what I didn't want to happen.

[Daerog]

Found the Divine info thread

 

http://forum.bioware...rst-post-12314/

 

 

Edit: Vivienne is the correct choice for Divine, anyway, so no worries 

[D4mian21]

Found the Divine info thread

 

http://forum.bioware...rst-post-12314/

 

 

Edit: Vivienne is the correct choice for Divine, anyway, so no worries 

THX for the link mate, but for me She's not worthy of beeing a new Divine. For me its Leliana (don't know about cassandra though because I've romanced her and discouraged her from beeing Divine all the time ). It's a shame because I've been very happy with fight with corypheus and the rest of the ending untill I heard from Vivienne that she is preparing for the throne (talk at the party (sth was not right for me after this)). This party talk spoiled me scene with Cassandra and I got extremely angry after hearing from Morrigan that Vivienne become a new Divine and that she have done all this things. That anger holds me even now (About 3-4h after the ending). Game in my view is extremely badass (love it all) but why BioWare games always makes me angry at the end (my first Mass Effect 3 ending, where Liara died, and now that... I have a bad luck... ****).