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The situation at the Well is suspiciously like a demon's offer (changed title to prevent misunderstandings)...


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Time for a provocative statement that we can discuss.

 

"I'll give you powerful secret knowledge if only you let me control you." - said in the name of an entity with a completely unknown agenda.

 

Why does that sound familiar to a mage? Yeah...

 

What's the difference? That this is a goddess? Well, we know less of her than of the average demon. "Divine" is not an attribute, but an attributition. The entity is, in the more general sense, a powerful spirit. Of which kind, we have no idea...


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I say that more human(other races as well) nature than being a mage.


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We seen this twice already. And the chantry's point is based on magic doing harm not mages becoming possessed. The only why the chantry become right is if mages who have no one to control them start kill people in droves



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Possession and control are different things.



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Possession and control are different things.

Even then the issue is what is done with it after then the act itself.



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As first to the Keeper, Clan Lavellan inquisitor mages would be all but remiss if they were not to drink.

Humans on the other hand, have no right.
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Possession and control are different things.

Possession implies control. In both cases, the main problem is you're not in control of yourself anymore, as long as the other entity so chooses.


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It's probably demon lies of Mythal, so I can't really argue against this.

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As first to the Keeper, Clan Lavellan inquisitor mages would be all but remiss if they were not to drink.

Humans on the other hand, have no right.

 

My Lavellan mage is the only person I could ever conceive of drinking from the well, none of my other inquisitors, not even my Lavellan Hunter, would be crazy enough to drink.



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As first to the Keeper, Clan Lavellan inquisitor mages would be all but remiss if they were not to drink.

Humans on the other hand, have no right.

What? You want to be apart of elves like that discarded there people and destroyed themselves. They even when and call the elven inquisitor a shemlin.....A SHEMLIN...

 

Who would want to be a part of that?



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Not really. Mythal actually existed at some point and died, joining with Flemeth some time later. So, it's not the same as what Chantry propaganda preaches. Learning who Fen'Harel is also refutes that notion.



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As first to the Keeper, Clan Lavellan inquisitor mages would be all but remiss if they were not to drink.

Humans on the other hand, have no right.

 

No right? I suppose I agree. The irony however is that that same Lamellan could claim to be herald of Andraste and completely change the face of the Chantry and human politics in southern Thedas.



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Possession implies control. In both cases, the main problem is you're not in control of yourself anymore, as long as the other entity so chooses.

Not really. Possession is more of a bond. 2 become one. Something new. Like Anders /Justic. Control means one loses there will to the other.



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Who cares? My Mage Inquisitor was all about acquiring power for himself so it made total sense for him to drink. If you're asking why then he didn't just let a demon possess him, well, we're talking about different levels of power here. Elven god vs. random demon. Cole, Anders, and other abominations/blood mages were chumps compared to someone like Mythal.



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Possession implies control. In both cases, the main problem is you're not in control of yourself anymore, as long as the other entity so chooses.

Possession  implies complete control to the point the original owner is no longer there.

 

For example Mythal can give you the day off , once possessed by a demon the 'you' inside you is no longer there



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Possession  implies complete control to the point the original owner is no longer there.

 

For example Mythal can give you the day off , once possessed by a demon the 'you' inside you is no longer there

*Looks at Anders.

 

Nope, new entire person all together via possession. And the guy at the well of sarrows made it a point you're always fallowing Mythal's will no matter what if you know it or not.



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*Looks at Anders.

 

Nope, new entire person all together via possession. And the guy at the well of sarrows made it a point you're always fallowing Mythal's will no matter what if you know it or not.

it was an example and Anders was possessed by a Spirit was he not? Justice isn't exactly evil like demons



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it was an example and Anders was possessed by a Spirit was he not? Justice isn't exactly evil like demons


Justice was still distorted into vengeance, and was corrupted by Anders' own biases and hatred.

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it was an example and Anders was possessed by a Spirit was he not? Justice isn't exactly evil like demons

The possession turned him into a demon. Demon is spirit who's purpose has gone wrong and to the extreme. Demon aren't evil. There more like predators or people going crazy in pain then being evil.



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Justice was still distorted into vengeance, and was corrupted by Anders' own biases and hatred.

Vengeance itself isn't naturally evil also , its more chaotic neutral i'd say.



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Vengeance itself isn't naturally evil also , its more chaotic neutral i'd say.

Again, demon in dao are not evil. It just a desire that has gone wrong to the extreme. If a spirit ideal goes to extreme or they are warped they are then a demon.



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Who cares? My Mage Inquisitor was all about acquiring power for himself so it made total sense for him to drink. If you're asking why then he didn't just let a demon possess him, well, we're talking about different levels of power here. Elven god vs. random demon. Cole, Anders, and other abominations/blood mages were chumps compared to someone like Mythal.

Tell me: what's the appeal of all that power if you can only use it on another's behalf? Doesn't that take all the fun out of it?


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Vengeance itself isn't naturally evil also , its more chaotic neutral i'd say.


Intentions tend not to matter if you become a destructive force. Like, lemme just murder this frightened girl cuz she called me a demon. Vengeance shall be mine! Demon; abomination; it's all the same for this guy.

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Again, demon in dao are not evil. It just a desire that has gone wrong to the extreme. If a spirit ideal goes to extreme or they are warped they are then a demon.

But in the context of possession , do demons share the host body with the original owner? Justice started out what neutral? so it most likely didn't destroy the host due to not being evil , it then transformed due to Anders into vengeance



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Tell me: what's the appeal of all that power if you can only use it on another's behalf? Doesn't that take all the fun out of it?

More of the case of not destroying everything with it just because.