It's funny - so, service to the Make is totally fine, but service to the elven god (in case of elven inquisitor you were serving her anyway) - is something you have to avoid. You mean if the Maker wipers to some andrastian "obey me and get the power" that andrastean will refuse? 
Tell it to Andraste!
In a way after drinking you become a right hand of God. Why on earth would you refuse it?!
But in the context of possession , do demons share the host body with the original owner? Justice started out what neutral? so it most likely didn't destroy the host due to not being evil , it then transformed due to Anders into vengeance
Yes, demons share the host body. That's what possession is all about. The fact the spirit/demon has to be allowed into the body make that a point. Both sides will are changed. And demons don't destroy the host body, they just change it. And again demons are not evil. Calling a demon evil is like calling a tiger killing deer evil or a person attacking someone during a panic attack evil.
What matter is that they are dangerous.
It's funny - so, service to the Make is totally fine, but service to the elven god (in case of elven inquisitor you were serving her anyway) - is something you have to avoid. You mean if the Maker wipers to some andrastian "obey me and get the power" that andrastean will refuse?
In a way after drinking you become a right hand of God. Why on earth would you refuse it?!
And we have a winner.
What? You want to be apart of elves like that discarded there people and destroyed themselves. They even when and call the elven inquisitor a shemlin.....A SHEMLIN...
Who would want to be a part of that?
Modern elves are shemlen! They live 80 years tops! They're mortal and that's what shemlen means.
Modern elves are shemlen! They live 80 years tops! They're mortal and that's what shemlen means.
And the elves of today use it as a curse word for human. It's a slap in the face for long time elven players. It was like being kick while you're already down.
It's funny - so, service to the Make is totally fine, but service to the elven god (in case of elven inquisitor you were serving her anyway) - is something you have to avoid. You mean if the Maker wipers to some andrastian "obey me and get the power" that andrastean will refuse?
In a way after drinking you become a right hand of God. Why on earth would you refuse it?!
Because you don't know God is benevolent?
And actually, I would say the same thing if the Maker's will was said to reside in the Well. "Which God" doesn't make a difference.
Possession implies control. In both cases, the main problem is you're not in control of yourself anymore, as long as the other entity so chooses.
All cats are animals. Not all animals are cats. Get it?
Tell me: what's the appeal of all that power if you can only use it on another's behalf? Doesn't that take all the fun out of it?
What makes you think you can't use that power for yourself as well? See, this is the difference between control and possession.
Because you don't know God is benevolent?
And actually, I would say the same thing if the Maker's will was said to reside in the Well. "Which God" doesn't make a difference.
You're not a blind devout to the chantry
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You're not a blind devout to the chantry
Indeed I'm not. If I were, I would drink from the Well if it was said the Maker's will resides in it.
Like I give a hoot what the Chantry thinks.
Being not in control of yourself is bad, regardless of Chantry ideology. The Chantry says mages who aren't carefully watched will eventually succumb to temptation. Which is exactly what happens for those who drink from the well. Applies also to non-mages of course, but those aren't such a big topic in Chantry teachings.
That less evil may come of it in this case is completely accidental. And in fact, we don't know there will be less evil coming from it. It may be quite a bit more, considering the power of Mythal's essence, should it still exist in a form that can exert power. "My vengeance will shake the very heavens" sounds a little foreboding, don't you think?
Time for a provocative statement that we can discuss.
"I'll give you powerful secret knowledge if only you let me control you." - said in the name of an entity with a completely unknown agenda.
Why does that sound familiar to a mage? Yeah...
What's the difference? That this is a goddess? Well, we know less of her than of the average demon. "Divine" is not an attribute, but an attributition. The entity is, in the more general sense, a powerful spirit. Of which kind, we have no idea...
I agree with your assertions, though I have never let my mages drink from the Well. Granted, it has less to do with "proving the Chantry right" versus being scared to death of the possibility of the geas. I think Morrigan was kind of naive to scoff so readily at the magic of the ancient elves. I had had a feeling that the Well would not be so important if there wasn't some serious magic backing it. The possibility of knowledge from lost ages was extremely tempting, but my Gale and Lugh were not prepared to pay the cost for it.
Indeed I'm not. If I were, I would drink from the Well if it was said the Maker's will resides in it.
Which was the guy's point.
Thinking people would hesitate to drink from it at the least.
Because you don't know God is benevolent?
And actually, I would say the same thing if the Maker's will was said to reside in the Well. "Which God" doesn't make a difference.
Then you had to begin from it. Something like "I am an atheist and very modern independent human do not understand how anyone can want to serve a god".
But the problem is, our characters are Heralds of Andraste. And though you indeed can be an atheist (sort of) in the game, the vast majority of Thedas are believers. It's normal to serve a god, and NOT normal to refuse to serve the god. In case of dalish it's double so, they are clinging to that service tighter than humans to the Maker. To find a living god now, to become her chosen one and refuse to be her subject? Are you kidding?
Being not in control of yourself is bad, regardless of Chantry ideology. The Chantry says mages who aren't carefully watched will eventually succumb to temptation. Which is exactly what happens for those who drink from the well. Applies also to non-mages of course, but those aren't such a big topic in Chantry teachings.
That less evil may come of it in this case is completely accidental. And in fact, we don't know there will be less evil coming from it. It may be quite a bit more, considering the power of Mythal's essence, should it still exist in a form that can exert power.
That's not what they mean by temptation. It more of the issue they use the power in the wrong way that hurts other then the mage become possessed. Remember the poster boys of horrible evil mages for the chantry is the 7 magesters who broke into the golden city and started the blight.
Time for a provocative statement that we can discuss.
"I'll give you powerful secret knowledge if only you let me control you." - said in the name of an entity with a completely unknown agenda.
Why does that sound familiar to a mage? Yeah...
What's the difference? That this is a goddess? Well, we know less of her than of the average demon. "Divine" is not an attribute, but an attributition. The entity is, in the more general sense, a powerful spirit. Of which kind, we have no idea...
Yeah. My Andrastian was *very* uncomfortable with all this. She believed Flemeth was a demon. While I personally am not ready to say she is, I do grant you that the parallels are there...rather strongly, it seems. We shall see.
I like how the Dragon Age wiki says Sera believes "naively" that the gods in the temple were demons, as if 1) that isn't a valid roleplaying perspective and 2) as if such subjectivity has any place in what is supposed to be an encyclopedia. "She believes they are demons". The end.
Then you had to begin from it. Something like "I am an atheist and very modern independent human do not understand how anyone can want to serve a god".
But the problem is, our characters are Heralds of Andraste. And though you indeed can be an atheist (sort of) in the game, the vast majority of Thedas are believers. It's normal to serve a god, and NOT normal to refuse to serve the god. In case of dalish it's double so, they are clinging to that service tighter than humans to the Maker. To find a living god now, to become her chosen one and refuse to be her subject? Are you kidding?
Not after an elf learn what happen in the Dales, to the elves of old and call a shemlin by the Ancent elves they fine.
*Belief shattered.
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The Chantry and its "teachings" can burn for all I care...here, let me light the match.Being not in control of yourself is bad, regardless of Chantry ideology. The Chantry says mages who aren't carefully watched will eventually succumb to temptation. Which is exactly what happens for those who drink from the well. Applies also to non-mages of course, but those aren't such a big topic in Chantry teachings.
That less evil may come of it in this case is completely accidental.
Then you had to begin from it. Something like "I am an atheist and very modern independent human do not understand how anyone can want to serve a god".
But the problem is, our characters are Heralds of Andraste. And though you indeed can be an atheist (sort of) in the game, the vast majority of Thedas are believers. It's normal to serve a god, and NOT normal to refuse to serve the god. In case of dalish it's double so, they are clinging to that service tighter than humans to the Maker. To find a living god now, to become her chosen one and refuse to be her subject? Are you kidding?
LOL. As if people of all times in history hadn't been aware that serving a god was, at best, a mixed blessing. People were in fact rather more practical and world-wise in these things in most real-world religions except for the monotheistic ones. I bet that if you asked the typical Dalish Keeper how you should decide, they'd say "It is a path you can choose, but think very carefully about it. The reality of serving a god in this way is rarely what you think it is."
LOL. As if people of all times in history hadn't been aware that serving a god was, at best, a mixed blessing. People were in fact rather more practical and world-wise in these things in most real-world religions except for the monotheistic ones. I bet that if you asked the typical Dalish Keeper how you should decide, they'd say "It is a path you can choose, but think very carefully about it. The reality of serving a god in this way is rarely what you think it is."
Not every Keeper is like that. Saber clan is like that but not the clan in masked empire.
The Chantry and its "teachings" can burn for all I care...here, let me light the match.
Well, yes, that's the point. You wouldn't want to prove them right and thus increase their memetic power.
And the elves of today use it as a curse word for human. It's a slap in the face for long time elven players. It was like being kick while you're already down.
Said by an immortal elf who only wakes up to protect Mythal's temple. If anything it just shows how out of touch with things Abelas is.
Said by an immortal elf who only wakes up to protect Mythal's temple. If anything it just shows how out of touch with things Abelas is.
Or just what the elve of old are like. The dalish want to preserve and look up to that?
LOL. As if people of all times in history hadn't been aware that serving a god was, at best, a mixed blessing. People were in fact rather more practical and world-wise in these things in most real-world religions except for the monotheistic ones. I bet that if you asked the typical Dalish Keeper how you should decide, they'd say "It is a path you can choose, but think very carefully about it. The reality of serving a god in this way is rarely what you think it is."
Do we live in the same world, I wonder... Seriously, so many religious zealots everywhere in our days with science on guard, with skepticism as a general rule of guidance, that I gave up for any sense from modern humans. And you expect someone razed in believes and who suddenly got absolutely undeniable proof of god's existents (I mean the whole temple) to refuse a god?
I would not bet on Keeper's reaction or rather think a Keeper would take that boon to itself (as an elder and obviously more worthy then you). But reaction of a "typical dailish" you could clearly see in DA2 when Merrill met Flemeth. THIS is normal reaction - bend your knee and obey. You already serve - it can not be otherwise. All you do now is getting huge power (only developers really know what is this power exactly but "power") and become a very personal servant of your beloved and "worshiped-your-whole-life" goddess What is not to like here? And how can you give THAT to anyone else (yet alone a shemlen).
Sure, for humans (dwarves, qunary) it's different. But for them the key word is "power". And if at some point your inquisitor believed to be chosen by Andraste (and absent-y figure as well as the Maker), to be the chosen one by another god - is it such a big step? Especially considering real power on your hands?
Well, my point would be that the REST of the game also proved the Chantry wrong. Lucius wasn't a mage... Possessed... WILLINGLY. The entire Templar order was subverted and controlled, and they are NOT mages... The Wardens, controlled.
Most of the game outright proves that rounding up people just because the are mages is a pointless endeavor seeing as its clear ANYONE can be possessed and/or controlled.
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