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[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Said by an immortal elf who only wakes up to protect Mythal's temple. If anything it just shows how out of touch with things Abelas is. 

Given that he's immortal, even the Dalish would look like "shemlen" (in the literal sense of being "quick children") from his point of view.

 

 

Well, my point would be that the REST of the game also proved the Chantry wrong.    Lucius wasn't a mage... Possessed... WILLINGLY.   The entire Templar order was subverted and controlled, and they are NOT mages...    The Wardens, controlled. 

 

Most of the game outright proves that rounding up people just because the are mages is a pointless endeavor seeing as its clear ANYONE can be possessed and/or controlled. 

Not quite. The main point of rounding up the mages is that when a mage is possessed, it's a much bigger problem. A possessed mundane (or a possessed rock or possessed tree) now has magic because of the demon; a possessed mage now has that magic, and is still a mage on his or her own merits. That can be rather a lot of magic. Add that to the fact that apparently it's easier for demons to find mages (and/or visa versa), and sequestering mages seems like a rather good idea.

[Patchwork]

Given that he's immortal, even the Dalish would look like "shemlen" (in the literal sense of being "quick children") from his point of view.

 

Which I said in a post not far above the one you just quoted

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Which I said in a post not far above the one you just quoted

My mistake.

[Amirit]

Not after an elf learn what happen in the Dales, to the elves of old and call a shemlin by the Ancent elves they fine.

*Belief shattered.

 

I would not pay much attention to names in the temple because they manage to cut off dailish part from the game (and PW was genuinely surprised by it and confirmed that the part is lost, hence - "who is Mythal?" from your elf and no dialog with Solas about drinking). 

But the fact that Arlathan was destroyed by ancient elves themselves does not shatter your believes in gods - why would it? If anything you can see a demonstration of Mythal power all around you in the Temple.

[javeart]

I think the main difference it's experience: a mage knows (or think she knows) how the demon-temptation-possesion thing works, while we still don't know how this other thing it's actually going to be. The demon it's not an unknown entity in truth, it might be a deeply missunderstood entity, but that's different. But in this case there's really an unknown in the formula, and that's what allows you to be optimistic, I think

 

Personally, I'm stll waiting to see how bad does this go before choosing a canon pt   I intend to be super pragmatic about it: we're working for/with Morrigan no matter what, or we're to be ultimately released from the bound or whatever... drinking it is 

[phaonica]

But Mythal isn't a demon, right? Right?! 

[leaguer of one]

I would not pay much attention to names in the temple because they manage to cut off dailish part from the game (and PW was genuinely surprised by it and confirmed that the part is lost, hence - "who is Mythal?" from your elf and no dialog with Solas about drinking). 

But the fact that Arlathan was destroyed by ancient elves themselves does not shatter your believes in gods - why would it? If anything you can see a demonstration of Mythal power all around you in the Temple.

The belief is that elves were better then they are now, It was not just belief in the gods, it was that the elves were more. Seeing that the fall of the elves was caused by the elves shattered that. The elves of old were no different from the human now. It was not faith in the gods, it was faith in what we were. Added with what really happened in the dales showed that the elves destroyed themselves with pride an arrogance twice over.

[leaguer of one]

I would not pay much attention to names in the temple because they manage to cut off dailish part from the game (and PW was genuinely surprised by it and confirmed that the part is lost, hence - "who is Mythal?" from your elf and no dialog with Solas about drinking). 

But the fact that Arlathan was destroyed by ancient elves themselves does not shatter your believes in gods - why would it? If anything you can see a demonstration of Mythal power all around you in the Temple.

Added, even my qunari did not ask who was mythal.

[Bethgael]

Well, my point would be that the REST of the game also proved the Chantry wrong.    Lucius wasn't a mage... Possessed... WILLINGLY.   The entire Templar order was subverted and controlled, and they are NOT mages...    The Wardens, controlled. 

 

Most of the game outright proves that rounding up people just because the are mages is a pointless endeavor seeing as its clear ANYONE can be possessed and/or controlled. 

Er... yes.... by mages doing blood magic. Which has been a thing since DA:O.

Which proves the Chantry right, not wrong.

Lucius: tainted, taken over by Magister--Wardens, controlled by Magister/Demon via Venatori mage, using their mages.

The Red Templars are not possessed, they are corrupted by Blight and only "controlled" insofar as the Chantry has always controlled them: lyrium addiction. In this case: lyrium addiction: extreme edition.

Back to the OP, though. I agree that to us (with our metaknowledge), it seems insane, but to a Dalish who has been searching for their history all their life? For that knowledge? Mage or no, the temptation could be overwhelming, if you're RPing that way. The geas would be a small price to pay. Look at Merrill--she subverted herself to blood magic just for a tiny bit of ancient knowledge. Imagine what someone might do for the whole kit and kaboodle. Someone with that Dalishness is not going to hand that all over to some human witch on her say-so.

It's not possession, though, as far as they know. It's simply a complusion to obey. Fine line, but a profound one.

[Mann42]

I wonder if dwarven Inquisitors that drink from the well can dream.

[leaguer of one]

I wonder if dwarven Inquisitors that drink from the well can dream.

Dude, a dwarf inquisitor with the mark can dream.

[Mann42]

Dude, a dwarf inquisitor with the mark can dream.

I know they can with Solas' help, I guess I didn't catch that they were dreaming normally on a regular basis.

 

It would create an interesting motivation for a dwarf, fascinated with magic and the fade, to possibly want to drink from it despite the possible drawbacks.

[Addai]

I'm confused as to why the OP is directed at mages. If you mean because Mythal rules over those who take power from her, well, that's because she's not an Andrastian with an absent god.

 

Also, the will controlling the well is not just Mythal herself, it's a geas of all the priests who've given their lives to it. We don't know exactly how the well works, but there may be a question of economy. You have to give over something of yourself so that the well continues to have power which then the collective has a say over. And shouldn't they?

[Aren]

Possession  implies complete control to the point the original owner is no longer there.

 

For example Mythal can give you the day off , once possessed by a demon the 'you' inside you is no longer there

 If the mage seek the demon like Uldred and Connor or the Baroness he/she is not completely possessed .Uldred have acquired the power of a pride demon without be completely controlled.

To be enslaved to a spirit like Mythal to be bound for the eternity without knowing the consequence (for what we know we can b e forced to stay at the temple for the eternity) is foolish for the Inquisitor (because S/he is the only one with the anchor) for Morrigan (especially if Kieran existed)

[Aren]

It's funny - so, service to the Make is totally fine, but service to the elven god (in case of elven inquisitor you were serving her anyway) - is something you have to avoid. You mean if the Maker wipers to some andrastian "obey me and get the power" that andrastean will refuse? Tell it to Andraste!

 

In a way after drinking you become a right hand of God. Why on earth would you refuse it?!

Yes because for what we know is only an advantage since the Maker never interfered or show his presence, while Mythal are ready to control you the day after tommorow.

Maker always grant the free will, always. If someone abuse   of somthing in his name is only    his/her fault.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I'm confused as to why the OP is directed at mages. If you mean because Mythal rules over those who take power from her, well, that's because she's not an Andrastian with an absent god.

 

Also, the will controlling the well is not just Mythal herself, it's a geas of all the priests who've given their lives to it. We don't know exactly how the well works, but there may be a question of economy. You have to give over something of yourself so that the well continues to have power which then the collective has a say over. And shouldn't they?

Because that person has their will controlled by something/one whose intent they don't know at the time, which is basically exactly the price the Chantry is afraid mages will pay for more power. (Though I agree with you that Inky being a muggle doesn't make the situation all that much less potentially problematic given his/her political power and the fact that a non-mage Inquisitor still has more power than most mages.)

[o Ventus]

Except the Well has the same exact effect on non-mages, which is kind of the big difference. The Chantry warns about mages succumbing to demonic possession and becoming abominations. The effect of the Well is neither demonic (or if it is, it shows precisely none of the known signs), nor is the Inquisitor an abomination.

[Addai]

^ What Cassandra said.

 

This is apparently the price anyone who wants power would be willing to pay, if you drink from the Well.

[leaguer of one]

I know they can with Solas' help, I guess I didn't catch that they were dreaming normally on a regular basis.

 

It would create an interesting motivation for a dwarf, fascinated with magic and the fade, to possibly want to drink from it despite the possible drawbacks.

Solas did not help. The quis did it on there own and found him is the fade all with out knowing it was a dream.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

^ What Cassandra said.

 

This is apparently the price anyone who wants power would be willing to pay, if you drink from the Well.

If it's the price anyone who wants power would pay, then it's the price mages who want power would pay. And in most cases (though arguably less so in the Inquisitor's case) it's worse for a mage to be willing to pay that price, because an entity of unknown priorities and moral leanings getting control of a mage almost always has a worse worst-case-scenario than such an entity gaining control of a mere soldier no matter how skilled they are. Abominations are more dangerous than ordinary demoniacs because they bring their own power to the table instead of the new creature's power being strictly that of the demon. The same principle applies here. (Though again less so considering that a Warrior or Rogue Inquisitor isn't entirely without power.)

[MisterJB]

It's funny - so, service to the Make is totally fine, but service to the elven god (in case of elven inquisitor you were serving her anyway) - is something you have to avoid. You mean if the Maker wipers to some andrastian "obey me and get the power" that andrastean will refuse? Tell it to Andraste!

 

In a way after drinking you become a right hand of God. Why on earth would you refuse it?!

There is a large difference between believing you are following the mysterious will of an absent god who is the source of all righteousness, which leaves you with much wiggle room, and actually being forced to obey a supernatural being with an agenda who is pissed at the world.

It won't matter because importing but can you imagine Flemeth being able to order the Inquisition around?

[IamLoreYayaya]

My inquisitor chose to drink from the well because she felt it was necessary to kill Corypheus, not to further her own agendas.  So let an evil tyrant take over the world and plunge Thedas into chaos?  The lesser of two evils, I think.  Chantry can kiss my skinny Lavellan cheek.

[Amirit]

The belief is that elves were better then they are now, It was not just belief in the gods, it was that the elves were more. Seeing that the fall of the elves was caused by the elves shattered that. The elves of old were no different from the human now. It was not faith in the gods, it was faith in what we were. Added with what really happened in the dales showed that the elves destroyed themselves with pride an arrogance twice over.

 

For whom? Shattered that? The only false thing is the believe that Tevinter destroyed Arlathan. So, what? Even if they fought among themselves elves were still great and created that Arlathan, lived there in a  luxury of magic everywhere and so on. From TME you can learn more about nature of ancient elves but your Inquisitor did not read TME and can only see the glory of Elvenen all around in the Temple. For a true believer even Dales is not a real setback, after all shamlens WERE involved.

 

Aren and MisterJB - you are talking as Christians (the closest religion to the Maker's believe). But for elves it's more like Greek pantheon - different view of the gods. Polytheists will find a lot of contradictions in your statements about free will (everything in the world is Maker's doing, is not it?) and you as monotheists would disagree about direct contact with a God.  

 

Flemeth is not going to "order Inquisitor around" - Flemeth is dead. Mythal - yes, she might wish for something (wait for a DLC to see if it happens) but elven inquisitor will take such orders as a blessing. And other inquisitors might live with that for a sake of power from the well. 

 

Make a step from modern life and try to look from perspective older variations of our religions if not from Thedas-ians point of view.

[LPPrince]

My mage drank from the well.

 

Hmm...

[Addai]

If it's the price anyone who wants power would pay, then it's the price mages who want power would pay. And in most cases (though arguably less so in the Inquisitor's case) it's worse for a mage to be willing to pay that price, because an entity of unknown priorities and moral leanings getting control of a mage almost always has a worse worst-case-scenario than such an entity gaining control of a mere soldier no matter how skilled they are. Abominations are more dangerous than ordinary demoniacs because they bring their own power to the table instead of the new creature's power being strictly that of the demon. The same principle applies here. (Though again less so considering that a Warrior or Rogue Inquisitor isn't entirely without power.)

Well as you say, you're not just a mere soldier as the Inquisitor, you're the leader of an entire military and political organization. And you don't become an abomination. The nature of the Well is explained as a geas made up of the will of all the priests of Mythal, not possession by Mythal.

This all sounds like superstition, the sort that thinks a mage can turn into an abomination every time they sneeze.