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[Danoniero]

No, not BSN. This place is a dank pit of awfulness. Every release since Jade Empire has been met with extreme negativity. Best is to go to a general gaming forum, this forum is just toxic and gives a bad name to anyone who claims to be a bioware fan.

Maybe but week after the game was released i knew about bad PC controls and tactic cam being a console Port, not to mention tactic for companions are not existent, I knew about gamebraking bugs and that helped me to make a decision to not buying the game yet and I am happy with that. Even so I decided to bought game yesterday couse i have faith that patch 3 will adjust at least those retarder PC controls.

[robertthebard]

You somehow came up with the ludicrous idea that I claimed my opinion was the benchmark by which reviews were segregated into "good" (honest) ones and "bad" (engineered) ones. It doesn't matter what my opinion is.
 
Look, I'm saying that the critic score is higher than it should be, for the reasons clearly outlined above. I cannot exactly tell by how much, I'm not omniscient. However, I humbly propose that comparing the critic score with the user score may give a more accurate approximation than a dart toss.
 
(Aside: Who do you suggest would be paid to submit negative reviews? BW's competitors? I wouldn't rule it out, but I don't consider that very probable since they'd damage themselves too in the process. Anybody else you have in mind?)

I've covered this before, but: I didn't get to play as the Warden/The Warden was an 18 hour mission on the War Table. 0/10. This, assuming they bother to write anything at all. Someone elsewhere pointed out something to the effect of "can't romance dragons. 0/10". I'm sure you can read enough "I hate EA" here to know that that would also play into a review, whether the person actually purchased the game or not. You can, if you wish, blindly follow. I, and others like me, choose to blindly ignore sites that can be so easily manipulated. The irony here is that you're complaining only that they can be manipulated positively, and then acting as if they can't also be manipulated the other way. Either way means that the site is worthless, if the scores can be so easily manipulated. Should I take that to mean that MetaCritic is paying you to come here and advertise for them? After all, your opinion of the site differs from my own, and positive positions must be "engineered", so by your own logic, I'm left to assume that that's the case, right? It can't, after all, be that you found something positive in it, just like I can't have possibly found anything positive about DA I. So there must be some kind of compensation going on, right?

Tinfoilhatsforeveryone.

[Danoniero]

Just by way of example, I find it shocking that I could find NO professional review that mentioned anything about what an "acquired taste" (= how bad) the KB+M control scheme is. You could even be "lucky" if you found any mention of the messed up camera in the professional reviews. Anybody who actually played the game would run into this issue at the end of the tutorial at the latest, because the rift is hellishly difficult to target. It really makes me wonder why the reviewers opted to not mention it.

Every big sites like IGN and such were testing game on gamepad probably. BTW gamepad controls are not into my liking as well couse on keyboard I can press a button and have map,inventory,etc. On gamepad i have to open damn menu and select what I want which annoys me incredibly. But as far as they wont adjust PC controls I am not touching It becouse after 30 min of playing my fingers were in deep pain becouse of this clicking or holding mouse button. Terrible

[Terodil]

I give up. I can't word it any more clearly.

 

(Funnily enough, I think we ultimately agree that forming your own opinion, e.g. from feedback forums such as this, is preferable to simply believing in either critc or user ratings.)

 

Edit: @Dan: Then the reviewers are not taking their task seriously. If they write reviews about games that a substantial amount of users is going to play on the PC, they should (at least also) test with default PC controls = KB+M. If they don't, they're lazy or forgetful, or have ulterior motives.

[Danoniero]

DAI has won GOTY awards, fact. Your opinion, not fact. People love this game, get over it.

My opinion became a fact in moment i writed it down on this forum, and I cant see love to this game on this forums, get over it and go write a 10/10 review on Metacritic.

[Rizilliant]

So what you're saying here is that my own personal 7.5 vision of the game had to "engineered", meaning someone is compensating me for saying that's what I think of the game? Aren't you, by supporting this claim, insinuating that I must have been paid to like the game? Why is that, I wonder? Why is it that you believe that your opinion of a game should be rated so highly that anyone with a different view must have their view "engineered"?

I believe the references to "reviewers" are the "professional" reviewers. Critics. Someone whos job is to play, observe, take notes, rate the entertainment valule, and goes down a checklist of spefiic things about the game.

 

No company is goin to go out of their way to pay consumers for reviews.. For you to even take it that way is kindve baffling. Or deliberately baiting someone into arguing. ie "trolling". the guy specifically say "non zero portion of reviews".. Meaning perfect 10's... 

[robertthebard]

I give up. I can't word it any more clearly.
 
(Funnily enough, I think we ultimately agree that forming your own opinion, e.g. from feedback forums such as this, is preferable for forming a solid opinion to simply believing in either critc or user ratings.)

...and we do. I don't trust any review sites, I don't care how they're run, or by who. I used the released materials, with some criteria based around MP not affecting the SP campaign to make my buy/don't buy, and my own experience with the game to come up with my "score": 7.5, if you missed it. Of course, the only place I ever posted it was here, in these types of dialogs.

[Shelled]

It is funny how Origins, first two Mass Effects and both Witcher games got user scores close to critic scores whch are high, but DA2, DAI and ME3 user scores are much lower than critic scores.

 

ME3 is obviously hit by the ending controversy. DA2 was a giant step backwards in many aspects of the game - see a pattern here? 

 

Looks like on average DAI is just bad, slightly better than DA2, but still pretty damn bad. Number of "Game of the year" titles given to DAI is just ridiculous. It is not a GOT material and will never be. The game failed at the very start of development by terrible design decisions. I doubt that EA overlords are happy with the amount of GOT titles, paid comments and reviews that they have to spend their precious money on to keep the sales.

Not entirely true in regards to ME2. I remember huge backlash against the planet scanning (personally I hated the planet scanning) and the removal of the vehicle in ME2. It was a great game, but wasn't without its flaws.

[Rizilliant]

I fully understand your argument, Elhanan. But I can make up my own mind about content in the internet. I do not argue that there will be fake reviews. But anybody with a brain can use his or her best judgement when reading content in the 'net!

And metacritic is hardly the only site in the internet worthy of critizism.

 

But the fact that there will always be some fake and manipulative reviews doesn't change or take away from the fact that there will always be thousands of genuine reviews form regular users with (some sort of) integrity as well!

 

The internet will never change in that regard. It is a democratic medium!

Amen.. How difficult is it to take reviews, good and bad, and come up with the truth somewhere in there? None whatsoever, unless youre a completely turd! 

 

I like how so many here state how annoying it is that the "haters" just come here to spit on "good reviews", yet they are posting the exact same spew, from the opposite end of the spectrum.. Police officers, detectives, teachers, principles, parents, anyone really does this on a day to day basis in their everyday lives.. How is this any different? 

[Terodil]

Look Buick, you're really digging your own grave here with your... idiosyncratic definitions of "fact", "opinion" etc. combined with your rather undifferentiated dismissal of other people's contributions as "pathetic", "BS" etc.

 

An opinion cannot not be a fact. It is, thereby it's a fact. It's also a fact that you have another opinion.

 

I'm looking forward to an engaging discussion with you once you have taken the time to think your position through.

[Bioware-Critic]

It very interesting that almost every reviewer gave it glaring applause! Yet the fan base is split 50/50. 

 

Obviously you have those user reviews that are a minimal sentence saying "yay, i love it. Best thing ever", or "pure garbage. Do not buy". However, when reading over the user reviews, i find the negative ones to hold more passion, and detail about the "what", and the "why" they gave the score, and opinion. Thats not to say there arent well written, passionate positives. The positives seem to completely disreguard the technical issues(and there are many, whether one encounters them all, they are abundant), and the negatives dont give credit to the good (writing, characters,etc). 

 

To me personnally, after reading many of both sides, and playing 100 hrs myself, i find the negatives to hold more truth.. Though a 1-5/10 doesnt quite seem reasonable. As a "Dragon Age" title, i want to give it below a 5. But putting my personal feelings aside, i cant say above a 6 or 7. Im on the PC, therefore am quite disappointed in the turn out of the console port.

 

... cut short ...

 

Dude ... If you want to read a negative metacritic review - read mine: http://www.metacriti.../Bioware-Critic

You should read the ones for PS4 and PC. I think if you read it, it will suffice as an answer to your posting.

(The one for PS3 is messed up on my profile. For that you would have to go to the DA:I PS3 page)

 

And you should have posted this whole stuff in your response not to me but in a review thread here on the forums or on metacritic or wherever ...

This is a discussion thread about the topic - it is not necessarily the best place for a long and full review of sorts.

As much as I appreciate your honesty and passion for the topic

 

Take care, Rizilliant!

 

(sorry for the "Dude" if you are female ... I am not sure if you are male or female from your avatar!)

[Rizilliant]

Too many people also neglect that a review is only part opinion, and based on personal entertainment value. The other parts of varied by whom you're reviewing the game for. Ign, metacritic, Game Informer, etc. These critics have a list by which they go through and test in the game. 

 

My own personal review is somewhere between 6and 7.. 2 lost from experience, because i personally expected a tactical crpg experience, similar to Origins (as was promoted), and another 2 for the bugs, glitches, technical issues, and bad console porting. I found myself not wanting to play it, quite often, and forced myself through.

 

Im also not a professional critic, just another disappointed consumer. Whichi s why its difficult to believe those "professional" reviews, in which so many gave 9's or perfect 10's.. How can you deny just the technical problems alone? And lets not forget, they reviewed this game before it was even available to the public, or immediately upon release, BEFORE any patches weere announced/released!

[Rizilliant]

Dude ... If you want to read a negative metacritic review: Read mine

http://www.metacriti.../Bioware-Critic

You should read the ones for PS4 and PC. The one for PS3 is messed up on my profile.

 

And you should have posted this whole stuff in your response not to me but in a review thread here on the forums or on metacritic or wherever ...

This is a discussion thread about the topic - it is not necessarily the best place for a long and full review of sorts.

As much as I appreciate your honesty and passion for the topic

 

Take care, Rizilliant!

 

(sorry for the "Dude" if you are female ... I am not sure if you are male or female from your avatar!)

it was actually just going to be a response, and agreement to your post.. It turned out to be a full on review as i typed it out.. I thought the same thing.. But then, didnt want to waiste all that time & effort

 

PS: very well written review.. I appreciate anyone who puts honest opinion, and passion, in a well thought-out response.. Well done sir!  And yes, im a Sir, lol

[Danoniero]

Go on any other forum, even on reddit this game is being showerd in praise. Your opinion did not become fact when you posted it on this forum. You posted your opinion, doesn't change the fact that its in the minority and is not fact.

Actually there is same amount of hate on Reddit that is here. But just to be clear and cut that discussion I like the game, I enjoy the game but I am frustrated about bad design decisions, bad controls and MMO like quests, I am annoyed becouse game is just good not excellent. Thats It and for you I would suggest to stop looking through the rainbow becouse either you really do not see how many bad opinions this game have or you do not want to see it/ you may be still young gamer that do not have a big expectations. I like the game and any posts saying that game is crap are BS and I agree but when someone says that game have flaws, serious flaws for some people then I agree with them becouse, game have a bunch of fails that is hard to belive experienced in RPG'sAAA studio would do such things.

 

And no matter what my opinion is or whoever will read It or what meritorical value it have, It is a fact that this opinion exists and anyone can read it agree or disagree with It, and It becomes a fact for the people that share my opinion. You seem to have quite a problem understanding this term

[Lukas Trevelyan]

Metacritic is a joke    

[Rizilliant]

Tin foil hat. Professional reviewers get review copies of games, been that ways for over 20 years now. Also, you took 2 points off of DAIs score because of personal preference, how is it hard to believe it could get 8s and 9s from people with different tastes as you?

i didnt say 8's and 9's were hard to believe... seeing as mine was a 6-7, an 8 from someone who enjoyed it is very believable.. I said the 9's and 10's.. Please dont put words in my mouth! 

 

And before you butcher this response, and take it out of context, "9's and 10's" woul be referring to those charts that are scales of 1-100, as opposed to 1-10... 90+ is quite unbelievable for a game with this many technical issues, that are plaguing 3 of the 5 platforms in abundance...

 

obviously they get review copies.. I do believe i said exactly that.. They get games before, and/or at the same time as us.. Or are you implying that these review copies are somehow magically including future patches? What was the point of that statement?

[Danoniero]

I'm constantly on the dragon age reddit, people love this game. And you misunderstand me, I know people have differing opinions. I'm just trying to get it across that the hate this game is getting here is from a vocal minority who need to take the rose colored glasses off of their precious DAO and realize it got utterly destroyed for various reasons and is in no way a perfect masterpiece that bioware should aspire to make again. I can't fathom how much love it gets here now when the response was extremely negative after its release to. Bioware can never win, its disgusting.

For that I can actually agree.

[Elhanan]

I fully understand your argument, Elhanan. But I can make up my own mind about content in the internet. I do not argue that there will be fake reviews. But anybody with a brain can use his or her best judgement when reading content in the 'net!
And metacritic is hardly the only site in the internet worthy of critizism.
 
But the fact that there will always be some fake and manipulative reviews doesn't change or take away from the fact that there will always be thousands of genuine reviews form regular users with (some sort of) integrity as well!
 
The internet will never change in that regard. It is a democratic medium!

I have not the energy to wade thru the sludge to find the supposed non-fake reviews, and I certainly am not supporting a site that does not secure itself from such misuse and use of flawed math. At least some other sites insure that user reviews are actual owners; that cuts down on the quality searching a lot. Prefer and recommend going elsewhere.