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[DanteYoda]

THIS^

 

Some of you people need to pull your head out of your ---

 

Are some reviewers paid off? I don't know. Do you? Show me proof.

 

Are some reviewers honest? I don't know. Do you? Show me proof.

 

Baseless skepticism makes you sound terribly ignorant. Unless you have a direct line with the reviewing crowd, please leave your conspiracy theories at home.

 

Perhaps some good reviews of the game are corrupt. Perhaps some bad ones are justified. AND perhaps the opposite is true. This game has gotten good reviews from people all across the internet. It's also caught a lot of flack from people all across the internet. People are people--game critics or not. Everyone has different opinions and different scores.

https://econsultancy...nd-is-it-right/

 

http://www.ibtimes.c...utubers-1545007

 

http://www.businessi...comments-2014-1

 

http://www.cracked.c...ne-reviews.html

[Terodil]

Sorry, but while I simply disagree with most of your post, this stuff made me positively angry...
 

Baseless skepticism makes you sound terribly ignorant. Unless you have a direct line with the reviewing crowd, please leave your conspiracy theories at home.

First off, you may wish to review the terms "skepticism" and "ignorance".

There is no such thing as baseless skepticism. Skepticism, such as the methodological skepticism formulated by Renee Descartes, paved the way for the Age of Enlightenment, which is absolutely central to our civilisation today and without which we'd still be stuck in some sort of evolved Dark Age. Without skepticism, there's no knowledge. To even suggest that skepticism and ignorance (= wilful absence of knowledge) go hand-in-hand is just that, ignorance.

After that, I cannot take the rest of your post seriously.

[robertthebard]

None of the reviews mentioned any of the gamebreaking bugs. Odd.

Not to me. I haven't experienced the bugs that I've seen you post about, so maybe none of the reviewers did either? Coming off of DA 2 and ME 3, if they had, I'd think they would have mentioned them. It doesn't have to be tinfoil hat territory, after all. I'm sure I don't have to point out that bugs are strange creatures in the gaming world. Before they can be fixed, they have to be isolated, and repeatable. You've had it, I haven't, and I'm not sure that I could recreate it if I were trying to bug fix it, because I haven't had it happen.

[Melca36]

None of the reviews mentioned any of the gamebreaking bugs. Odd.

Oh please. You just sound bitter now.    

 

I've had very few issues with this game because I had the rig to run it.  And no I don't have a monster PC but I have the sense to know that that games today need more than 4 Gigs of RAM

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Not to me. I haven't experienced the bugs that I've seen you post about, so maybe none of the reviewers did either? Coming off of DA 2 and ME 3, if they had, I'd think they would have mentioned them. It doesn't have to be tinfoil hat territory, after all. I'm sure I don't have to point out that bugs are strange creatures in the gaming world. Before they can be fixed, they have to be isolated, and repeatable. You've had it, I haven't, and I'm not sure that I could recreate it if I were trying to bug fix it, because I haven't had it happen.

 

Yeah, not a single reviewer experienced bugs and performance issues, hm... While users do en masse.

There's something not right, do you smell it?

[Elhanan]

None of the reviews mentioned any of the gamebreaking bugs. Odd.

Not really. While I have encountered some glitches, not a single game breaking bug has been seen in nearly 500 hrs of gameplay by myself. Nothing seen; nothing to report. No reports; nothing to repair.

[Shechinah]

From what I've gathered, it's a bit of a lottery when it comes to bugs in the game; some won big, some won some and some won none. The only bug that springs to mind that happened to me is when Skyhold's walls suddenly started to glow blindingly white. It stopped shortly after.

 

It timed wonderfully with Josephine's line about me being bathed in light, though. Bathed in light indeed.

[robertthebard]

Yeah, not a single reviewer experienced bugs and performance issues, hm... While users do en masse.
There's something not right, do you smell it?

I do, actually. I haven't encountered any of these issues. Why is that? My PC certainly isn't top of the line, although it's low end for top of the line, and yet, I haven't encountered any game breaking bugs. Am I lying, so I can continue to "white knight", or, have I just not encountered the bugs. What does "en masse" mean? Now that we have more than 20 copies out in the world, people are experiencing the bugs? How does that contradict anything I said in my previous post? I absolutely didn't like the KB/M controls, but since I have an xbox controller sitting right here, already hooked up for other games where I use it, I switched the controls to that, and it's ok. It sucks that I should feel like I need to do that, but I already have it, might as well use it, instead of coming here every Tuesday to make a new thread about how bad it is. You'd have a valid point, if everyone was experiencing these game breaking bugs, but that's clearly not the case, and it's clearly not the majority of people that bought the game, or the last patch would have been a lot more extensive. So I do smell it, I recognize it completely for what it is, the question here is, do you?

[Rizilliant]

sigh... Theres always a few.. 

 

"I have had an absolutely perfect run through.. I have seen ZERO bugs, technical issues, and crashes, etc.. Therefore we must assume neither did the reviewers, who btw, played an early released, unpatched version of the game"!

 

Sound bitter.. Its unreal the length people go to discredit those experiencing problems, and who are (rightfully so) airing disgust at a company that isnt even willing to acknowledge said problems.. Just deleted tweets/posts, and constant ram-rodding of the most recent accolades...

 

you dont have the problem.. Congradufuckinlations... ALOT of us do!

[Elhanan]

sigh... Theres always a few.. 
 
"I have had an absolutely perfect run through.. I have seen ZERO bugs, technical issues, and crashes, etc.. Therefore we must assume neither did the reviewers, who btw, played an early released, unpatched version of the game"!
 
Sound bitter.. Its unreal the length people go to discredit those experiencing problems, and who are (rightfully so) airing disgust at a company that isnt even willing to acknowledge said problems.. Just deleted tweets/posts, and constant ram-rodding of the most recent accolades...

Or perhaps the critics reported the glitches found, mentioned them, as supposedly did this Angry Joe. Yet, DAI still remained his GOTY.

"Believe what you will. Shut one's eyes tight...." - Flemeth

[robertthebard]

sigh... Theres always a few.. 
 
"I have had an absolutely perfect run through.. I have seen ZERO bugs, technical issues, and crashes, etc.. Therefore we must assume neither did the reviewers, who btw, played an early released, unpatched version of the game"!
 
Sound bitter.. Its unreal the length people go to discredit those experiencing problems, and who are (rightfully so) airing disgust at a company that isnt even willing to acknowledge said problems.. Just deleted tweets/posts, and constant ram-rodding of the most recent accolades...
 
you dont have the problem.. Congradufuckinlations... ALOT of us do!

So, instead of accusing me of something, why don't you provide something a little more concrete than hyperbole? I assume you must have some video stored up somewhere that you're just waiting for the right opportunity to spring on us? I completed my first playthrough before Patch 2 hit, and was a large percentage of the way through my second. Sorry about your luck, or lack thereof? Does the fact that you do suddenly nullify the fact that others didn't, and that it's possible that the reviewers didn't either? Only in your mind, and on the BSN. After all, it's one big conspiracy here, isn't it?

[Farangbaa]

I've been a pc gamer all my life and I still am. But at some point we're going to have to accept that our system is not ideal for making games this complex. 

 

All PS4s are the same, all XBOXwhateveritisnow are the same, every PC is different.

And some people complaining have absolutely no right to complain, with their  crappy dual core PCs. System requirements specifically say it will not work on a dual core.

[hellbiter88]

https://econsultancy...nd-is-it-right/

 

http://www.ibtimes.c...utubers-1545007

 

http://www.businessi...comments-2014-1

 

http://www.cracked.c...ne-reviews.html

 

You know I was being heatedly rhetorical right? Although thank you for the sources.

 

For the record, I already believe that this goes on. But there's a difference between saying that this occurs in some big-time review agencies, and that this occurs in all review agencies.

 

Sorry, but while I simply disagree with most of your post, this stuff made me positively angry...
 

First off, you may wish to review the terms "skepticism" and "ignorance".

There is no such thing as baseless skepticism. Skepticism, such as the methodological skepticism formulated by Renee Descartes, paved the way for the Age of Enlightenment, which is absolutely central to our civilisation today and without which we'd still be stuck in some sort of evolved Dark Age. Without skepticism, there's no knowledge. To even suggest that skepticism and ignorance (= wilful absence of knowledge) go hand-in-hand is just that, ignorance.

After that, I cannot take the rest of your post seriously.

 

EDIT

 

I wrote my earlier post out of anger, and I'm sure you'll agree people make all kinds of dumb mistakes when they're angry. Although as a general rule, try to refute a person's point, and not the grammar in which it's presented.

 

The guy above was kind enough to provide some sources supporting his point-of-view, and a couple of those articles raise valid points.

 

You don't need to nitpick on my writing just to get your point across. You don't agree, and you think I'm an idiot. That's fine. My original message that I could have done a better job conveying was: I think people need to stop throwing around blanket accusations. Just because some professionals are corrupt, doesn't necessarily mean they all are. Surely you're logical enough to concede to that.

[Lord Raijin]

The game reached it's 1,000 negative review. (Bored)

[papercut_ninja]

The problem is polarization, to summarize here´s everything that is wrong with fan-based user reviews:

 

"I could make a pretty inquisitor in the CC - 10"

 

"I could have a romance with Dorian/Sera/Josephine/Solas - 10"

 

"My companions said funny things - 10"

 

"I won the specifications lottery so origins/directx/frostbite didn't mess up my game - 10"

 

"The controls were clunky - 0"

 

"I had to endure five minutes of positive messages about homosexuality - 0"

 

"My romance choices are not pretty - 0"

 

"I was promised cake, there is no cake, the cake is a lie - 0"

 

"It is not Dragon Age:Origins - 0"

 

I´ve never seen this when it comes to books, music, movies or tv-series, the user ratings for a service like Netflix are quite reliable by comparison and it is clear that people there make an effort to be somewhat balanced.

[9TailsFox]

The problem is polarization, to summarize here´s everything that is wrong with fan-based user reviews:

 

"I could make a pretty inquisitor in the CC - 10"

 

"I could have a romance with Dorian/Sera/Josephine/Solas - 10"

 

"My companions said funny things - 10"

 

"I won the specifications lottery so origins/directx/frostbite didn't mess up my game - 10"

 

"The controls were clunky - 0"

 

"I had to endure five minutes of positive messages about homosexuality - 0"

 

"My romance choices are not pretty - 0"

 

"I was promised cake, there is no cake, the cake is a lie - 0"

 

"It is not Dragon Age:Origins - 0"

 

I´ve never seen this when it comes to books, music, movies or tv-series, the user ratings for a service like Netflix are quite reliable by comparison and it is clear that people there make an effort to be somewhat balanced.

All reviews are valid, and accurate. Except cake Bioware never promised cake, bioware promised cheese and delivered it. -10.

[Gerula81]

I've been a pc gamer all my life and I still am. But at some point we're going to have to accept that our system is not ideal for making games this complex. 

 

All PS4s are the same, all XBOXwhateveritisnow are the same, every PC is different.

And some people complaining have absolutely no right to complain, with their  crappy dual core PCs. System requirements specifically say it will not work on a dual core.

 

If people can't run the game... how can they report bugs? Most of us are posting here specifically because we can run the game and we have taken in the experience for enough time to know what we are reporting. So,  your point is...?

 

As far as consoles are concerned want to check the console feedback about the glaring issues and bugs.

 

All PS4s are the same, that's great and also the reason you will get standardized cookie cutter games designed around the constraints and limitations of their architecture and controls, so I fail to see how as a PC gamer you could agree to that in a million years.

[dlux]

It is funny how Origins, first two Mass Effects and both Witcher games got user scores close to critic scores whch are high, but DA2, DAI and ME3 user scores are much lower than critic scores.

 

ME3 is obviously hit by the ending controversy. DA2 was a giant step backwards in many aspects of the game - see a pattern here? 

 

Looks like on average DAI is just bad, slightly better than DA2, but still pretty damn bad. Number of "Game of the year" titles given to DAI is just ridiculous. It is not a GOT material and will never be. The game failed at the very start of development by terrible design decisions. I doubt that EA overlords are happy with the amount of GOT titles, paid comments and reviews that they have to spend their precious money on to keep the sales.

Something is always wrong when the user and critic scores deviate so far from each other. Don't ever trust critic reviews when that happens, because this usually means that a game is utter crap or at least very, very buggy.

 

Spoiler

 

I also seriously can't blame some people for giving the game 0 points. The score needs to be balanced out because of all of the fake perfect 10 reviews from EA drones.

[Keitaro57]

To the people saying there is no bugs : there is a dedicated thread about the bugs of the PS360 versions of DAI.

 

If you play like a russian roulette each time you play, it is hard to record the exact time a bug occurs. For me, I can't do the trials now. Before Patch 2 it worked, now it is impossible.

 

About Metacritics, in fact the most interesting fact is that it works if you wait long enough and had a lot of user reviews : Statistically, we get a better view of the product.

[Lord Raijin]

All reviews are valid, and accurate. Except cake Bioware never promised cake, bioware promised cheese and delivered it. -10.

 

I just discovered that just a few moments ago from Crestwood. What the..... heck? Is BioWare trolling us with this or what?

 

By the way the one that I found has a dagger embedded into the cheese.

[robertthebard]

I also seriously can't blame some people for giving the game 0 points. The score needs to be balanced out because of all of the fake perfect 10 reviews from EA drones.

This is exactly what's wrong with Metacritic. That user reviews can be manipulated purely based on "Well that guy gave it a 0 or a 10, so I have to change my score accordingly". I can, and do, blame the first day 10s and the "I have to balance those out, so 0" ratings. It's amazing, to me, that people can hold paid critics to a standard that they refuse to enforce in the player base that's posting reviews. Actually, considering this is the BSN, I'm not surprised at all. Someone posted a positive thread? "OMG, circle the wagons, we have to get in there and knock them off this pedestal before people start ignoring us..." It doesn't have the effect you think it does. People running to sites like Amazon, and giving positive game reviews low ratings, or reporting the reviews as spam is exactly what got me interested in the ME series. So congratulations? You made BioWare and EA money they might not have made if it weren't for me wanting to see what was stirring up all the controversy.

You see, people like me, we like to make our own decisions. People that "have to give it a 0" don't motivate me to stay away from a product. But Rob, why is that? Because, I'm a veteran of gaming forums. I know that the disenfranchised are the most active people on MMO forums, as a rule. I don't have to be an EA drone to like a game. I also don't have to be a sheep, herded by a group of people that are unhappy with EA, and so run around making sure their agenda is carried out. I'm capable of thinking for myself, and I'm guilty of doing just that. I don't have to check with the "Take Back" movement to make sure I'm allowed to have an opinion, and I sure don't have to rely on sites like Metacritic to determine whether or not a game is suitable for purchase or enjoyment.

The statement that I left in your quote tells me everything I need to know about Metacritic, that, and looking at who on the BSN is going all out to "prove" that it's a reliable source of information. I mean, in the quoted statement above, we see that scoring a 0 or a 10 because of other ratings is an acceptable practice. So, thanks for verifying how useless it really is.

[Bioware-Critic]

I've been a pc gamer all my life and I still am. But at some point we're going to have to accept that our system is not ideal for making games this complex.

All PS4s are the same, all XBOXwhateveritisnow are the same, every PC is different.
And some people complaining have absolutely no right to complain, with their crappy dual core PCs. System requirements specifically say it will not work on a dual core.

Kudos! I agree 100%.

Most PC-gamers don't get that at all! I have played on many types of PC's for many years and on many types of CPU's, GPU's and under several Windows OS's. But the moment I tell people I play on consoles now (even though I own a nice PC ready for PC-gaming) out of choice no one is using their brain anymore and everybody starts to freak out! To me it is a fact that when you eliminate consoles from the equation and examine what will happen if games were solely developed for the PC market, that ... at some point ... people would have to ackowledge that older PC-tech seriously slows down and holds back the entire upper-tier PC-components of today!
No upper-tier GPU and CPU can be used to its full potential. Because the market share is too small. And in the end the only advantage is better graphics and better fps - that's it!

Devs and publishers go for the biggest market and everything else they tell to the PC-enthusiasts is nothing but a BIG FAT LIE!

"Masterrace-enthusiasts" finance the development of the hardware we will enjoy ten years into the future. It is always heavily underused and therefor overpriced. Because no dev and no publisher will EVER cater to the elite ... That market simply is too f*ucking small.
So in the end, the existeance of consoles is not holding back the developement of games which also run on PC but it is the money-maker that finances the developement for games that would otherwise never have existed on PC in the first place. In the future, even tablets will contribute to that in the regard that games that were developed for tablets *cringe* will be transfered over to other platforms ... It sounds horrible but it is a simple fact!
And no wishful thinking in the world will give the PC-enthusiasts what they desire so much - pretty much ever! Because their market is too f*ucking small They will be left with many MMO's and many F2P-games - super-di-du ... who wants that?
I don't want to pay 1000-1500 $ for one or two graphics cards I run simultaneously just to get more FPS if the games I play are the exact same ones I get to play on silly old consoles ... I'll pass on that one - thank you very much!

Since the beginning of PC-gaming ... new tech were held back by old tech! Platforms make no difference at all.

(I seriously hope no PC-gamer feels offended by my shamlessly plain speaking on the subject ...)

(The intended topic of this thread is so unrecognizable derailed at times it is kind of funny ... )

[Bioware-Critic]

Sorry, but while I simply disagree with most of your post, this stuff made me positively angry...
 

First off, you may wish to review the terms "skepticism" and "ignorance".

There is no such thing as baseless skepticism. Skepticism, such as the methodological skepticism formulated by Renee Descartes, paved the way for the Age of Enlightenment, which is absolutely central to our civilisation today and without which we'd still be stuck in some sort of evolved Dark Age. Without skepticism, there's no knowledge. To even suggest that skepticism and ignorance (= wilful absence of knowledge) go hand-in-hand is just that, ignorance.

After that, I cannot take the rest of your post seriously.

 

Well spoken, Terodil!

 

Nice to have you among us

 

(And there is nothing in this world of greater value to mankind than Enlightenment! There is nothing we need more than this alone ...)

[Rawgrim]

Oh please. You just sound bitter now.    

 

I've had very few issues with this game because I had the rig to run it.  And no I don't have a monster PC but I have the sense to know that that games today need more than 4 Gigs of RAM

 

I bought the game on release day. Played for over 20 hours. My savegame got broken due to a bug. I restarted, played for over 50 hours. Ran into another bug. Haven't been able to play since mid december because of it. Playing it on Xbox One, not a PC.

 

Those are the only bugs I have run into, though. Apart from the game having no music outside of cutscenes.

 

 

So yeah. It is ok to be a bit bitter about it when I paid full price for a game, and so far, I have only gotten 70 hours wasted in return.

[Rawgrim]

Not really. While I have encountered some glitches, not a single game breaking bug has been seen in nearly 500 hrs of gameplay by myself. Nothing seen; nothing to report. No reports; nothing to repair.

 

2 bugs here, Both gamebreaking.