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[Hybrid?!]

Lore spoilers from dragon age Inquisition, minor story spoilers.

 

 

Finally,something to make sense of the ogres size!

All the other darkspawns are in similar size to the races they represent, so why not the Ogres?

 

Sure, Qunari are larger, but that doesn't explain why ogres beome near gigantic in size!

 

If the Qunari were indeed created by mutation trough dragons blood(which isn't confirmed but does seem to be what

they're leaning towards) it does make sense.

The darkspawn taint mutates people, dragons blood mutates people(which cassandra revealed about some of her ancestors),

So it stands to reason that these two things together could create something much worse than regular darkspawn.

Enter the Ogres.

 

What iron bull says about the Qunari and dragons(in particular if your inquisitor becomes a reaver) all but confirms

that they have dragons blood in them. Bull doesn't drink dragon blood yet he can use reaver abilities.

 

The tevinter imperium worshiped the old gods,which were dragons, it's not so unlikely that they would experiment on

their slaves to make them more dragon-like, to show their affection/devotion to the old gods.

 

 

A qunari/kossith broodmother is already mutated by dragons blood,then recieves the darkspawn taint, it stands to reason

that the darkspawn she gives birth to is much more powerfull, it could be that the darkspawn taint greatly enhances the effect

the dragon blood has had on the qunari.

 

Makes me wonder if the two together is simply an unholy abomination, or if the darkspawn taint and dragons has some

relation to eachother.

 

[Lucky Thirteen]

If the qunari are created by mutation with dragon's blood, one must wonder why their women are not larger, bigger, stronger and more aggressive than the males.

[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

I still am saying that Qunaris are just original 'Dragonborns' that is all

[Antergaton]

If the idea of people creating Kossith is true, the Kossith would have had to exist long enough to (well) exist, reproduce, rebel against their creators (maybe), leave Thedas, create an entire community and way of thinking outside Thedas, return once to Korcari Wilds 1400 years ago (also a long way from their supposed creators as you suggest, basically the opposite area of Tevinter), not return again until the Qun has been established only to try and take over large areas of Thedas...

 

... all to not be written about once in Ancient Tevinter?

 

Humans came from outside Thedas, so Kossith did too. Qunari is just the name of beings that follow the Qun (right?) it jsut so happens that majority are what used to be called Kossith. I stands to reason that if Kossith or Dragon experiment version of them did exists, it was done outside of Thedas....

..

In my thinking anyway.

[Navasha]

You are making the assumption there that humans are involved when there is really no indication of such.   From Iron Bull's dialog, it would appear more likely that it was the Kossith, which look nothing like the Qunari we know, that did the experiments upon themselves.   My guess is they may have had tried to make their slave or poor more useful and compliant.    Something like a slave revolt probably brought them to our part of the world.

[leaguer of one]

If the idea of people creating Kossith is true, the Kossith would have had to exist long enough to (well) exist, reproduce, rebel against their creators (maybe), leave Thedas, create an entire community and way of thinking outside Thedas, return once to Korcari Wilds 1400 years ago (also a long way from their supposed creators as you suggest, basically the opposite area of Tevinter), not return again until the Qun has been established only to try and take over large areas of Thedas...

 

... all to not be written about once in Ancient Tevinter?

 

Humans came from outside Thedas, so Kossith did too. Qunari is just the name of beings that follow the Qun (right?) it jsut so happens that majority are what used to be called Kossith. I stands to reason that if Kossith or Dragon experiment version of them did exists, it was done outside of Thedas....

..

In my thinking anyway.

1. Arlathan fell before humans were an issue.

2.Elve or more of the case there gods use to make artificial animals.

 

"Ghilan'nain kept herself apart from the People. She used her power to create animals none had ever seen. The skies teemed with her monsters, the land with her beasts. Andruil hunted them all, and after a year of killing, approached Ghilan'nain with an offer: the gods would share their power with Ghilan'nain, but only if she destroyed her creations, for they were too untamed to remain among the People. Ghilan'nain agreed and asked for three days to undo what she had made.

On the first day she struck down the monsters of the air, except those she presented to Andruil as a gift.

On the second day she drowned the giants of the sea, except those in deep waters, for they were too well-wrought, and pride stopped her hand.

On the third day she killed the beasts of the land, except the halla, whose grace she loved above all else.

This is how Ghilan'nain was made youngest of the gods.

-- story of the elven god Ghilan'nain, author unknown"

http://dragonage.wik..._of_Ghilan'nain

[cronshaw]

couple things:

• Iron Bull I think says something along the lines of [the kossuth] probably didn't look anything like what qunari do
• cassandra mention's dragon hunters who used dragon's blood growing scales, horns and becoming violent.
• Iron Bull's whole reveal about the Qunari reverence for dragons

seems pretty clear that the Qunari are related to dragons either through forced mutation or something else

[X Equestris]

couple things:

• Iron Bull I think says something along the lines of [the kossuth] probably didn't look anything like what qunari do
• cassandra mention's dragon hunters who used dragon's blood growing scales, horns and becoming violent.
• Iron Bull's whole reveal about the Qunari reverence for dragons

seems pretty clear that the Qunari are related to dragons either through forced mutation or something else

There's also Cory and Kieran's dialogue with regards to the qunari Inquisitor.

[Thargorichiban]

It could be that the early Qunari that were corrupted could have been bigger than modern ones, closer to the dragons and all that.

[Hybrid?!]

You are making the assumption there that humans are involved when there is really no indication of such.   From Iron Bull's dialog, it would appear more likely that it was the Kossith, which look nothing like the Qunari we know, that did the experiments upon themselves.   My guess is they may have had tried to make their slave or poor more useful and compliant.    Something like a slave revolt probably brought them to our part of the world.

 

If your Inquisitor is a qunari, then during the final battle corypheus says "What do they call you, a Qunari? your race isn't even a race, it's a mistake!"

Implying he knows how they came to be.

 

This and the dragon worship is why i think Tevinter could be involved.

[Hybrid?!]

If the idea of people creating Kossith is true, the Kossith would have had to exist long enough to (well) exist, reproduce, rebel against their creators (maybe), leave Thedas, create an entire community and way of thinking outside Thedas, return once to Korcari Wilds 1400 years ago (also a long way from their supposed creators as you suggest, basically the opposite area of Tevinter), not return again until the Qun has been established only to try and take over large areas of Thedas...

 

... all to not be written about once in Ancient Tevinter?

 

Humans came from outside Thedas, so Kossith did too. Qunari is just the name of beings that follow the Qun (right?) it jsut so happens that majority are what used to be called Kossith. I stands to reason that if Kossith or Dragon experiment version of them did exists, it was done outside of Thedas....

..

In my thinking anyway.

 

Well it could be that a small group of magisters,like the ones who entered the black/golden city,created the

Qunari in secret, to be their personal slaves.

 

Then after they created them the whole enter-the-fade-and-become-darkspawn thing happened. Then the rest of tevinter would have no idea where the Kossith came from.

[Hybrid?!]

It could be that the early Qunari that were corrupted could have been bigger than modern ones, closer to the dragons and all that.

 

...i never considered that the earlier ones might have simply been bigger! I really hope it's not that simple.

[Thargorichiban]

...i never considered that the earlier ones might have simply been bigger! I really hope it's not that simple.

 

 

Well, it was my first thought on the subject. If they did introduce hybrid dragon/Qunari in the beginning then I would suspect that they were much bigger in the past. Each subsequent generation would have "watered down" the dragon blood and probably resulted in smaller descendants.

[Thyred]

Regarding the time-scale we can safely assume that the ancient magisters didn't have anything to do with qunari creation and Corypheus words shoudln't be taken that he means that their creation was a mistake but at what he simply states. The Qunari aren't a species. They are a culture. A culture composed of many different people from many different backgrounds is something completly opposite than the tievintian culture, where some families can trace their lineage back a thousand years.

 

The qunari claim that they arrived on Par-Vollen from another contintent accross the sea and that they lost contact with their homeland. Although the Ben-Hassrath might simply have invented this story I don't see a reason culture-wise to lock the knowledge of their creation away unless it would reveal that they were a small minority on their home continent and had to evacute to Par-Vollen because they were slaughtered by those who wouldn't follow the Qun or weren't dragon-cross-breeds.

But so far everything we learned about them has been Ben-Hassrath filtered.... so how much of this is the truth? So far they have shown to be extremly willing to everything that would grant them an advantage.

[Raikas]

 

Well it could be that a small group of magisters,like the ones who entered the black/golden city,created the

Qunari in secret, to be their personal slaves.

 

Then after they created them the whole enter-the-fade-and-become-darkspawn thing happened. Then the rest of tevinter would have no idea where the Kossith came from.

 

 

From the way Bull talks about it, it sounds more like the Kossith were the original race, and that the Qunari were a result of them mixing with something (maybe dragons, maybe something else) - I suppose that mixing could have been Tevinter-driven, but it could just as easily have been elf-driven or driven by the Kossith themselves (that's what it sounded like based on that dialogue, although admittedly it was very vague).

 

I came away from it with the notion that it sounds like the Qunari came to human lands after they'd split from the Kossith, but I suppose we don't know yet one was or the other.

[Hybrid?!]

Well, it was my first thought on the subject. If they did introduce hybrid dragon/Qunari in the beginning then I would suspect that they were much bigger in the past. Each subsequent generation would have "watered down" the dragon blood and probably resulted in smaller descendants.

 

yeah that does make sense, the effects of the dragon blood becoming less intense over the generations, watered down as you say.

[Hybrid?!]

From the way Bull talks about it, it sounds more like the Kossith were the original race, and that the Qunari were a result of them mixing with something (maybe dragons, maybe something else) - I suppose that mixing could have been Tevinter-driven, but it could just as easily have been elf-driven or driven by the Kossith themselves (that's what it sounded like based on that dialogue, although admittedly it was very vague).

 

I came away from it with the notion that it sounds like the Qunari came to human lands after they'd split from the Kossith, but I suppose we don't know yet one was or the other.

Yeah a whole lot of vague-ness, the reason i think tevinter had something to do with it was because of

what corypheus says to a Qunari inquisitor.

 

It could be that the elves are responsible, given what we've find out about them. Warring against themselves, could be that one of the elven gods created them, and when Tevinter showed up to pick up the pieces of Arlathan, Corypheus learned about the creation of the Kossith.

[Hybrid?!]

Regarding the time-scale we can safely assume that the ancient magisters didn't have anything to do with qunari creation and Corypheus words shoudln't be taken that he means that their creation was a mistake but at what he simply states. The Qunari aren't a species. They are a culture. A culture composed of many different people from many different backgrounds is something completly opposite than the tievintian culture, where some families can trace their lineage back a thousand years.

 

The qunari claim that they arrived on Par-Vollen from another contintent accross the sea and that they lost contact with their homeland. Although the Ben-Hassrath might simply have invented this story I don't see a reason culture-wise to lock the knowledge of their creation away unless it would reveal that they were a small minority on their home continent and had to evacute to Par-Vollen because they were slaughtered by those who wouldn't follow the Qun or weren't dragon-cross-breeds.

But so far everything we learned about them has been Ben-Hassrath filtered.... so how much of this is the truth? So far they have shown to be extremly willing to everything that would grant them an advantage.

 

I should clarify, when i wrote Qunari i was actually referring to the Kossith race, not followers of the Qun, sorry about that.

 

I had similar thoughts about why they had to leave their homeland, maybe they where persecuted by those who did not follow the Qun...or maybe the Kossith that remain in their homeland turned into something far worse!

[Kurogane335]

The qunari claim that they arrived on Par-Vollen from another contintent accross the sea and that they lost contact with their homeland. Although the Ben-Hassrath might simply have invented this story I don't see a reason culture-wise to lock the knowledge of their creation away unless it would reveal that they were a small minority on their home continent and had to evacute to Par-Vollen because they were slaughtered by those who wouldn't follow the Qun or weren't dragon-cross-breeds.

But so far everything we learned about them has been Ben-Hassrath filtered.... so how much of this is the truth? So far they have shown to be extremly willing to everything that would grant them an advantage.

 

It would be terrifying : a minority of the kossith would have been able to stand its own for decades against almost all of Thedas. Still,n it is a possibility that i would like to expand upon in a future game.

[Antergaton]

From Iron Bull's dialog, it would appear more likely that it was the Kossith, which look nothing like the Qunari we know, that did the experiments upon themselves.   My guess is they may have had tried to make their slave or poor more useful and compliant.  Something like a slave revolt probably brought them to our part of the world.

 

Ogres exist as Darkspawn, it is thought, because the Kossith that arrived in Korcari Wilds were deformed. The ogres have horns and grey skin, much like Qunari. Kossith probably had horns. If experiment took place, it would have occured far before they landed and if by the Kossith themselves, why/how would Cory know?