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[Lebanese Dude]

Well that's a switch.

[renfrees]

Solas is connected to the plot. And before him it were Anders and Isabela.

 

Are you sure it's wise to wish for character's involvement into the main storyline?

[Elsariel]

I don't think the advisors overshadowed the companions but I do like the idea of companions involved in decision making. Problem is most companions are optional.

[Daerog]

That would remove agency from the player... or whatever...

 

I wouldn't mind playing a character who is part of a group, not leading it, taking orders and such... maybe as a DLC or something, not a full game, unless BioWare wishes to make a game that isn't labelled a RPG.

[MrFob]

I actually like that for once, there are important NPCs in the game which are not trailing on your heels all the time. With the exception of maybe Joker, this is a first for a BW game and I think it's great. IMO, not every major ally of yours has to come along for the sake of it.

 

I wrote this in another thread already but I'll write it here again, IMO, Vivienne for example also has no business just coming along when I go trudging through the mud of the storm coast to collect some shards. I wouldn't mind for BW to start blurring the line between companions and non-companions. Vivienne could just come along for missions that she really has a stake in for example and refuse to be dragged through the dirt otherwise because she has better things to do.

On the other hand, Cullen might have wanted to come to Emprise du Lion to help take out the red Lyrium quarry.

 

It would take a bit of effort and time to balance such mechanics properly and of course, you would still have some sort of "core team" but I wouldn't be opposed to some semi-companions. This would give them more of a personality as well.

[renfrees]

what do you mean wise?

I mean when they're involved, it's not in a good way.

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

Didn't care for Cullen or Leliana, hell Leliana should be DEAD in my gameworld. Josephine is rather delightful though, mostly cause you don't see her spending time whining about how tortured she is. She does her job with a smile, and keeps her emotions in check most of the time. The companion bar isn't really that high in this game, so it is not hard to surpass them. I just saw Cassandra as another Aveline, duty duty duty first. Varric as always is a blast and he doesn't fall into the usual "rogue tropes" like Sera does The rest of the bunch weren't awful characters, they just weren't memorable and they don't stick in my mind like say, a Mordin, or Garrus

[Fufunette]

Well I don't know why we recruit Iron Bull. His group isn't that usefull because we never have to use them (instead of IB mission..). So, his argument is automatically invalid. Vivienne don't do anything usefull for the Inquisition. Winter palace neither. Sera and Blackwall actually came for help and they do it well.

 

The only involved char are Solas and Cassandra. Varric is personally involved by red lyrium and Cory himself. + He brings Hawke, who brings an important warden. Dorian for the Venatori and the Tevintid stuffs.

Spoiler

Cole is too special... x)

 

The difference between DAI with DA2 is, it's the Inquisition. Those characters aren't there just to walk around with a guy in an endless town. There is a very important mission to do here. And all we have, it's some folks who saw some light and came to say hi... That's poor.

 

In DAO, there is only 2 wardens left, and a witch. They really need companions help.

 

Here, the Inqui has already a big and powerfull order. It makes me feel that those companions are just there to make the team full. And that's weak.

 

There is my feeling. :c

[Knight of Dane]

In terms of main quest apperance I suppose they do. But I never felt they overshadowed the companions overall.

[Dr. Rush]

Only Cullen felt like he had a really meaningful story or character development. Josephine and Leliana were both kind of boring. But yeah, I would have much rather had Cullen as a companion than many of the other actual companions in DAI. 

[Xiomara]

Only Cullen felt like he had a really meaningful story or character development. Josephine and Leliana were both kind of boring. But yeah, I would have much rather had Cullen as a companion than many of the other actual companions in DAI. 

 

I don't even like Leliana that much but she had more character development in this game than she did in Origins.

[Mes]

My god I was so surprised by the advisors. I really felt like I knew them better, and was more connected to them, than to any of the other companions save Cassandra. 

 

Either they did an amazing job with the advisors, or a not-so-good job with the companions. I'm not sure which. I think the fact that you couldn't talk to any of them while out in the field was the main game changer for me.

 

But yeah, I would have much rather had Cullen as a companion than many of the other actual companions in DAI. 

 

SAAAAAAAAME. 

[Steelcan]

Some of the companions were a little underwhelming content wise so that may play a part in it

[KaiserShep]

Cullen easily had the strongest presence of the three, but being my Inquisitor's general, he'd better. I did like that he will actually join you in combat alongside you and your companions during the Samson quest that ends with finding the tranquil. I don't think they overshadowed the members I consider my favorites, but they certainly felt like part of the team, even if they didn't usually go out on missions with the PC.

[DuskWanderer]

With the structure of the story, it makes sense. Your party members are people who serve the Inquisition, but Cullen, Josie, and Leliana are the minds behind it. They are it's leaders. They need to be front and center. 

 

And honestly, I didn't mind. They were good characters. 

[ThreeF]

The very short answer to this is: it depends.

 

The slightly bigger answer to this is : it depends on how you view the characters, how you interacted with them, what little detail you caught and also who you like.

 

I don't think they overshadowed the companions. I think it is great that they managed to rise to the same level as companions despite being glorified NPC, I wish more NPC were like this, it adds to the story. I definitely liked some of them better than my companions but not because of too much development (there is no such thing), I just didn't liked some of the companions as much.

[ThreeF]

Well I don't know why we recruit Iron Bull. His group isn't that usefull because we never have to use them (instead of IB mission..). So, his argument is automatically invalid. Vivienne don't do anything usefull for the Inquisition. Winter palace neither. Sera and Blackwall actually came for help and they do it well.

 

Bull is a hook to the Qun storyline,  Viviene is the third option for Divine and she also provides an alternative insight for Mages quest. They all have a function related to the story some more direct, some less.

 

There isn't one character in DAI that is there just to fill a quota.

[Knight of Dane]

Some of the companions were a little underwhelming content wise so that may play a part in it

It's absolutely a big part of it, just compare to Dragon Age 2:

 

In DA2 each companion has at least one quest or branch of small quests in each act that progresses their individual story, or in the case of Isabela and Anders, their story connecting to the main plot.

 

In DA:I you have a single companion quest, except for the one person you have a romantic relationship with, plus some fetching for some of them and some assassination missions for others. Those single quests are scattered at random, but those that suffer the most are probably Blackwall, Vivienne, Sera and Dorian.

 

In case you side with Templars, you can basically be best buds and lovers with Dorian 3 loading screens after you have his Skyhold introduction (happened with my most recent pt where I romanced him after having sided with Templars) and in the case of Blackwall he is only saved from attention starvation because he has a lot of additional non-related conent surrounding the Grey Warden missions.

 

Solas, Varric and Cassandra is, like Blackwall, partly saved because of their association with the main plot, the sheer content they have over others.

[Icy Magebane]

Nah, I thought that all of the characters were pretty well developed, not just the advisors.  I actually prefer when companions have less involvement in the main plot, so that I'm free to ignore the ones I dislike not be railroaded along certain story paths as a result...  Maybe one additional companion quest per character might have been nice, since the game is so long... I did notice some stretches where there was little to no input from certain party members, so that could have used a bit of improvement as well (again, due to the size of the game).

[earymir]

Don't get me wrong I like all three of them they were awesome BUT I really think they overshadowed the companions (except Cassandra of course)

 

 

Most of the companions are still great characters sure but apart from
Dorian and Cole who joined you after main storyline quests(after which they weren't important anymore) the others (Iron Bull, Sera, Vivienne &Co.) didn't have any real connection to the plot or the Inquisition in general

 

 

The Advisors + Cassandra and of course we as the Inquisitor made all the decisions and dealt with the threat the others were just there

 

 

I would have liked it more if the others had more input on the main storyline (like Blackwall on the Grey Warden arc, Vivienne for the Winter Palace quest etc.) maybe we should have met them there instead as some random side quest

I basically agree with everything 100%.

 

Advisors (plus Cassandra) straight up ruled.  I felt like we "got" each other by the end, and that we were *friends* (you know, for a video game).  Solas and Varric are up there too (they are very intertwined in much of the plot obviously).  The rest I honestly just felt like could have been there or not and I probably wouldn't have noticed.  

 

This isn't to say I didn't like the other characters, I really did/do.  But when I think about The Inquisition and how much work was put into it and who really was part of the "core team", I hands down think Advisors/Cassandra.  

 

I think they could have easily made each companion have at least one major quest that was part of the actual plot and it would have been better.  Cole and Dorian make a lot of sense for their respective introductions, and Varric and Solas being near the conclave, but then you get to Sera/Vivienne/Iron Bull/Blackwall and there's almost no relationship to the major plot.  You don't have a quest where they save you (Cole/Dorian) and don't have a relationship with Cassandra (Varric) or have some inkling of the magic used to create the breach (Solas).  

 

I mean, Vivienne is supposedly one of the major advisors to the Empress and isn't even a required companion for Wicked Hearts.  So weird.  Given the rest of her personality I'm not sure why she didn't INSIST and then have a huge part to play in the quest.  Also she has strong opinions on Morrigan... so many missed opportunities there!

[Saberchic]

I loved how much the advisors were actually involved. I was a bit worried that they would feel not really apart of the story, but they were, and it was great. To me, they felt just as valid as the rest of the followers; everybody is there working together and contributing in their own way.