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[God]

I am your father

[Vilegrim]

is it bad that I want Transhuman to be the next step, leave this meat bag behind, upload my mind into a machine and explore the galaxy, I want to see Gamma Rays, feel the solar wind on my shell and then DL my conciousness into a data stream to try the virtual life for a while, or Download into a neo-whale sleeve and swim in the seas of titan, or on a probe synth and skim the surface of a gas giant, dancing in the magnetic field... I may be reading to much Eclipse Phase :*( but MAN that would switch things up in Council Space.

 

 

Pretty much says it all really.

[Dr. Rush]

Ya poor EA, they are laughing their way to the bank, cashing their Gamestop Payola check and their Xbox One payola check and they somehow managed to convince their customers that they have to be conservative with their capital. 

 

Let me know when EA is isn't exploiting its customers through many numerous different revenue streams and then maybe I agree that they have to exercise financial caution. As long as they are going to be milking their customers, then I am willing to milk them right back. 

[Vortex13]

is it bad that I want Transhuman to be the next step, leave this meat bag behind, upload my mind into a machine and explore the galaxy, I want to see Gamma Rays, feel the solar wind on my shell and then DL my conciousness into a data stream to try the virtual life for a while, or Download into a neo-whale sleeve and swim in the seas of titan, or on a probe synth and skim the surface of a gas giant, dancing in the magnetic field... I may be reading to much Eclipse Phase :*( but MAN that would switch things up in Council Space.
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I agree that concepts outside of the human scope should be explored; unfortunately part of me can't take Transhumanism seriously in Mass Effect. Seeing the Synthesis ending really brings into question whether BioWare can incorporate something as advanced as you discussed without it coming across as ridiculous.


Alien life, and artificial intelligence can explore the non-human side of things as well as Transhumanism, though. Really, I'm up for which ever one can be done correctly in relation to the setting.

[magic713]

I might enjoy multiple races if they tried it like DA: O where you learn about different races and their cultures through first-hand playing rather than simply reading the Codex.

[Han Shot First]

I agree that concepts outside of the human scope should be explored; unfortunately part of me can't take Transhumanism seriously in Mass Effect. Seeing the Synthesis ending really brings into question whether BioWare can incorporate something as advanced as you discussed without it coming across as ridiculous.


Alien life, and artificial intelligence can explore the non-human side of things as well as Transhumanism, though. Really, I'm up for which ever one can be done correctly in relation to the setting.

 

Deus Ex does transhumanism much better. Synthesis was my least favorite ending of the ME series, yet the Sarif ending was my favorite for Deus Ex: Human Revolution:

 

Spoiler

 

Of course the Sarif ending also doesn't require making peace with the mass murdering machines that have snuffed out countless civilizations.

[Mcfly616]

 

Of course the Sarif ending also doesn't require making peace with the mass murdering machines that have snuffed out countless civilizations.

 I actually liked that part of the Mass Effect endings.

[Vilegrim]

I agree that concepts outside of the human scope should be explored; unfortunately part of me can't take Transhumanism seriously in Mass Effect. Seeing the Synthesis ending really brings into question whether BioWare can incorporate something as advanced as you discussed without it coming across as ridiculous.


Alien life, and artificial intelligence can explore the non-human side of things as well as Transhumanism, though. Really, I'm up for which ever one can be done correctly in relation to the setting.

 

 

I didn't like the synthesis ending as it forced people to become transhuman, it has to be a choice. Also it involves agreeing with the dogma of the worst mass murderer in the history of sentient life....which we end up having to do no matter what, regardless of the ending dlc. (which is why in my ending I sucked up the massive slap in the face that was refusing, and did it anyway, better to go down fighting than buy into that ideology)

[Mcfly616]

Except you're not going down fighting. When you refuse, you are essentially quitting over your own selfish ideals.

 

 

 

Your choice doesn't require buying into any ideology.

[Vortex13]

The main problems I had with Synthesis was that it was forced on everyone, and that it was treated more like space magic then what transhumanism really is. The core concept of tranhumanism is improving ourselves, but improving our bodies and minds ≠ a picture perfect utopia where everyone is happy and all conflict ceases forever.

 

The main gist of the Synthesis ending is:

 

"Let's take Shepard's essence (wtf?) and splatter it across the galaxy, and doing this somehow makes everyone happy and peaceful and instantly solves all of the galaxy's problems."

 

 

Dealing with such topics such as this, or even non-humanoid alien life, or artificial intelligence, needs to be done with a lot more care and build up throughout the narrative. Shepard was a cyborg, but that never really factored into the narrative until very late in the third game, and even then the idea of taking that and applying it to the galaxy at large was never even mentioned until the very last moments of the trilogy.

 

 

For the next title, I would like BioWare to offer a more balanced approach to such elements; even if our protagonist is going to remain human.  

[SimonTheFrog]

Death to space magic!!!!

 

No really, i mean it!

[Mcfly616]

You won't find much sci-fi that doesn't contain a bit of "space magic". Even what is considered "hard" sci-fi usually has it in some regard.

[SimonTheFrog]

You won't find much sci-fi that doesn't contain a bit of "space magic". Even what is considered "hard" sci-fi usually has it in some regard.

 

K, maybe i should clarify.

 

What i like:

Setting the world with a specific premise and then evolve the world/story from there. Like, for example, element zero. What if there was an element with which you can bend gravity through electrical charges?! That part is space magic but it's ok because it is the premise and it's also reasonable to a certain point. And then create a world around that element and how that would change everything.

Similar premise: the spice in dune. Works very well.

 

What i dont like:

Setting a world premise with strict, realistic rules pretty close to our own reality. And then break those rule on a whim just because you need a different reality to make an emotional point or "whoa"-story twist.

-> If you want to have a plot twist or emotional impact, do it the hard way and set it up correctly. That's what writers do, after all. And if your set of rules you gave the world at the beginning doesn't allow a certain "whoa"-story twist, then come up with something that does.

It may take a little bit more thinking but it is highly, very highly appreciated because it shows respect to the creative work, to the others in the team that also contribute to that work and it shows respect to the audience.

[StarcloudSWG]

is it bad that I want Transhuman to be the next step, leave this meat bag behind, upload my mind into a machine and explore the galaxy, I want to see Gamma Rays, feel the solar wind on my shell and then DL my conciousness into a data stream to try the virtual life for a while, or Download into a neo-whale sleeve and swim in the seas of titan, or on a probe synth and skim the surface of a gas giant, dancing in the magnetic field... I may be reading to much Eclipse Phase :*( but MAN that would switch things up in Council Space.

 

Pretty much says it all really.

 

Yeah, after reading Eclipse Phase, it's almost like it IS Mass Effect only more technologically advanced in many ways. The Pandora Gates, the TITANS (Reapers), the techno horror of the setting.

 

It would be pretty easy to adapt as Mass Effect RPG. Only minus the morphs and resleeving and cortical stacks and backups.

[Tex]

I really don't think I'd buy the next mass effect game if it's human only im getting so tiered of our species.

[Display Name Owner]

K, maybe i should clarify.

 

Wat i like:

Setting the world with a specific premise and then evolve the world/story from there. Like, for example, element zero. What if there was an element with which you can bend gravity through electrical charges?! That part is space magic but it's ok because it is the premise and it's also reasonable to a certain point. And then create a world around that element and how that would change everything.

Similar premise: the spice in dune. Works very well.

 

Wat i dont like:

Setting a world premise with strict, realistic rules pretty close to our own reality. And then break to those rule on a whim just because you need a different reality to make an emotional point or "whoa"-story twist.

-> If you want to have a plot twist or emotional impact, do it the hard way and set it up correctly. That's what writers do, after all. And if your set of rules you gave the world at the beginning doesn't allow a certain "whoa"-story twist, then come up with something that does.

It may take a little bit more thinking but it is highly, very highly appreciated because it shows respect to the creative work, to the others in the team that also contribute to that work and it shows respect to the audience.

 

I was always willing to accept a bit of space magic from the Reapers, what with them being a machine race that's millions of years more advanced than the rest of the galaxy. But yeah, I loved how grounded ME felt to begin with. I'd say the issue with space magic extends to rule of cool as well. There's a bit too much stuff that's cool on paper, but I couldn't quite swallow it because logistically it didn't make sense. Most of it's to do with Cerberus funnily enough.

 

I'd always rather something made sense even when you thought entirely too hard about it (which I constantly do) than it just looked pretty.

 

edit: Makes sense by the established rules, I should say. You can be as crazy as you want as long as your sci fi universe is set that way.

[SimonTheFrog]

I was always willing to accept a bit of space magic from the Reapers, what with them being a machine race that's millions of years more advanced than the rest of the galaxy. But yeah, I loved how grounded ME felt to begin with. I'd say the issue with space magic extends to rule of cool as well. There's a bit too much stuff that's cool on paper, but I couldn't quite swallow it because logistically it didn't make sense. Most of it's to do with Cerberus funnily enough.

 

I'd always rather something made sense even when you thought entirely too hard about it (which I constantly do) than it just looked pretty.

 

edit: Makes sense by the established rules, I should say. You can be as crazy as you want as long as your sci fi universe is set that way.

 

Yes, the reapers can get away with a lot.

But they are also responsible for some of the most annoying head-scratchers. But cerberus does a good job at that too and the whole Shep gets squashed on a planets surface boondoggle... oh boy, don't get me started there...

[Display Name Owner]

Yes, the reapers can get away with a lot.

But they are also responsible for some of the most annoying head-scratchers. But cerberus does a good job at that too and the whole Shep gets squashed on a planets surface boondoggle... oh boy, don't get me started there...

 

Don't worry, I've got no intention of delving into that one. I'll just stick to my own headcanon of what Shep went through and no one's going to tell me what I pretend happened isn't what happened.

[HeyCal]

I'd really hate to be limited to just being a human again, they are so boring and usually if given the choice I play as anything but human. I would love for them to have at least 2 other races to choose from. I mostly would really love to play as an Asari. It just sucks to have all these amazing alien species that you can look at and talk to, but sorry, you are stuck as just a human. 

I play games to escape, I don't want to be human or anything generic, I want to be wild and crazy and something exotic that I can't be in real life.

[Eelectrica]

It would be disappointing if we were once again stuck as only being able to play a human.

DA:I Showed how much more gameplay can be added by having different playable races. Unique dialogue options, even unique romance options for people who enjoy that side of things. Of course it could be done better, but it was a start, or a return perhaps.

It would be even better if the the planet we start on was determined by player race.

[God]

There really were no gameplay differences to playing as a different race.

 

Dialogue and some narrative content, but never gameplay.

 

I'd still rather have a solid story with one species (human) with a large amount of RP ability than some racial things that eventually become irrelevant as the game progresses.

[God]

I really don't think I'd buy the next mass effect game if it's human only im getting so tiered of our species.

 

You guys are my chosen race. Everyone else are non-sapient accessories.