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[Learn To Love Yourself]

It should also be noted that it is often preferable to reduce exposure time on higher difficulties.  The Piranha requires you to be exposed significantly more than the Claymore, and the range is greatly inferior, so box humping will only save you for so long.

 

Don't get me wrong, I actually do like the Piranha, especially before they reduced the magazine size.  Once the novelty wore off, I returned to my loving one-shot wife with much shame in my heart.

 

Anyway, in the end (nyuk nyuk), different strokes (nyuk nyuk) for different folks.

[Deerber]

I can't quote him cause he has a dextro weird way of quoting and answering, but that Quarian over there explained my thoughts exactly ™.

Especially the first point... Piranha guarantees headshots due to recoil? C'mon, seriously?

He's also right on the fact that Raider > Piranha in pretty much any circumstance.

[Ashevajak]

It's 2015 and people still can't admit the Claymore is the standard by which all other shotguns are measured?

 

Seriously, the Piranha is a pretty decent shotgun.  But like QMR said, on pretty much every level, the Claymore outperforms it, or at the very least gives equal results.  I'd grant that reload-cancelling can be tricky, and in some circumstances (Volus teammate, Geth Platinum) that can be annoying. In my experience it primes better than the Piranha, it's very easy to headshot with and the HVB allows for one-shot multi kills.  Cooldowns I can also grant, on certain classes anyway (human engie) but a good player can compensate for reduced cooldowns with a good weapon, which the Claymore is. 

 

I'd even say it performs better on Marksman/Hunter Mode/Devastator mode classes.  I've been messing around with a TSol/Claymore combo of late and it's pretty beastly.  It's basically a two-shot sniper rifle that doesn't need phasic rounds for OHKs on shielded mooks, when you have accuracy bonuses.

[capn233]

In my experience it primes better than the Piranha, it's very easy to headshot with and the HVB allows for one-shot multi kills. 

 

That's because it does prime better than the Piranha, although with higher chance ammo it might not be a big deal.

 

For Cryo or Disruptor on either, ProcChance = AmmoRating*[7.5/ROF]

 

Claymore ROF: 64

Piranha ROF: 150

 

For Incendiary, you just need to do 30 burn damage, so Claymore's higher stat damage helps a bit.

 

edit: fixed formula error

[Ashevajak]

Thanks for the confirmation.  I'm always wary about saying something is definitely the case without the numbers to back me up...anecdote is not the singular of data and all that.  But I've always felt the Piranha was pretty bad at priming, especially when compared to the Claymore, so that particular statement definitely stood out as odd.

[ImDedicatedToMyApologies]

Raising hostility is not part of my intention in starting this thread, and at this point I would like to point out that as much as you guys might be crowning me with terms such as "scrub" "retard" or "fgt" alike, the feeling is not mutual. I understand that after sticking with one weapon and doing incredible things with it, defending it almost seem like an obligation.
It is good to see that ME3MP community so devoted to the game, and I hope you all continue to enjoy using claymore or raider or whatever weapon you like. After all you might end up as that one guy who carry me through wave 8 when everyone else dies.
 

6. If you're using adept/engineer and you want to keep your cdr (and please dont tell me cdr is overrated. piranha Has advantage over claymore in some area and that's what I'm saying) CDR is overrated

 
I had respect for your understanding of the game until this line. If it's supposed to be a taunt then my apologies, it did nothing. As stated before I'm immune to such thing as taunts or hates.

I'm not sure why I came up with that list either; maybe I got influenced into thinking that I'm arguing against piranha's inferiority

none of my arguments are supposed to prove that piranha is better than claymore. In fact I do not believe that piranha is better than claymore, as much as I don't believe a good weapon has to be either superior or inferior to another good weapon. As for all the analyses out there bombarding on my lame arguments, you can have your win. I wasn't trying to convince you into using piranha in the first place (rather, as suggested by the title, it is exactly the opposite: trying to convince myself into using claymore)

[FuriousFelicia]

I think you got the title wrong, shouldn't it be the other way around?

[ImDedicatedToMyApologies]

I think you got the title wrong, shouldn't it be the other way around?

 

Ya I went off a bit and everyone followed... Sorry about that (can't change the title now)

[lonerenforcer9]

If you're looking at pure damage output - and under ideal circumstances, i.e. you aren't being staggered, having your shots interrupted, chased down by phantoms/goons etc. -  the Piranha will out damage the Claymore every time (PC or console); you just need to have time to shoot. Because the claymore does it's damage in one shot, however, it's a very mobile friendly shotgun - you're much more free to move around the map while still putting out considerable damage. The piranha is good at this too, but it's range (even with the smart choke) is limited.

 

Between the two, if you're playing a CQC class that can take some punishment or do some massive dps (Valkyrie, Destroyer, Krogan, etc.) while staying in one place then the Piranha is a sure bet. More mobile/less tanky? Might want to consider the claymore instead.

 

And just curious OP; you stated that you run the Piranha on many of your loadouts - what's your opinion on the Raider, Wraith, Venom and the Dark Lord?

[DisturbedPsic0]

I had respect for your understanding of the game until this line. If it's supposed to be a taunt then my apologies, it did nothing. As stated before I'm immune to such thing as taunts or hates.

I'm not sure why I came up with that list either; maybe I got influenced into thinking that I'm arguing against piranha's inferiority

Sarcasm is hard to pick up through text. The gist of the people here saying the cooldown is overrated is because the highest consistent DPS in the game comes from guns, not powers. So firing a Claymore more often does more damage than using Warp->Throw combo every 6 seconds with the claymore (or 3-4 seconds without it). It's just one of those sayings that is accepted and used sarcastically (at least that's how I take it).

 

The Piranha was a nasty gun at release, and it still pretty dang good after it got nerfed. It's problem is that it's in the deepest and strongest category of weapons in the game. Most veterans will take Claymore, Raider, Venom, and Raider (and Reegar if they're feeling dirty) ahead of it in terms of straight DPS, and if you're looking for a light shotgun I prefer the Wraith or even Eviscerator for accuracy and recharge. To me, the Piranha is pretty good across the board, with kinda blah accuracy, but nothing that really makes me go "Wow!". The other guns I mentioned have something about them that makes them stand out. You really need to take all the guns in the game out for several games to get a good feel for them, or watch other people use them (that's how I got good with a lot of weapons in the game).

[FuriousFelicia]

I think you got the title wrong, shouldn't it be the other way around?

  

Ya I went off a bit and everyone followed... Sorry about that (can't change the title now)

In that case - I find the Piranha to be "superior" to Claymore on some kits where the Piranha's clip size fits better with kit's powers and CDs. AIU for instance. I find it terribly clumsy to fit Claymore one shots and RCing in with cloak evolutions and SF. I also like the Piranha on the GI better than Claymore.

But in the end the Claymore is superior to Piranha in most ways. Stopping power, accuracy, OHK ability...

I guess the Piranha is a better choice if you don't really have a decent aim.

[ImDedicatedToMyApologies]

Sarcasm is hard to pick up through text. The gist of the people here saying the cooldown is overrated is because the highest consistent DPS in the game comes from guns, not powers. So firing a Claymore more often does more damage than using Warp->Throw combo every 6 seconds with the claymore (or 3-4 seconds without it). It's just one of those sayings that is accepted and used sarcastically (at least that's how I take it).

I consider that a taunt because I explicitly stated that "pls don't tell me cdr is overrated". True that might be, "don't tell me" means don't tell me. (I do not think that cdr is too badly important either, but shorter cd is better than longer cd) And as he fail to do so I can only assume his hidden msg is that "you mean nothing" or sth like that. As much as Idc about what I mean to a random person, I'm not going to be happy about it.

[Deerber]

Alright, it seems like you're trying to get serious answers down.

Well here's my serious answer: the claymore is usually a superior choice with respect to the piranha, *especially* on what people usually call "casters", with just a few exceptions.

The only classes on which I find the piranha to be a superior choice without much doubt are the ones that get accuracy bonuses, especially marksman classes.

[capn233]

^Yep.

 

Piranha doesn't make any sense whatsoever.  Flavor text says it was supposed to be a light shotgun for weaklings, but model looks like some sort of riot gun, and it sounds like an AA gun. It is relatively light but does good sustained DPS.  Except for the fact that the accuracy is horrendously bad and it feels more like it was created for Destroyer than a wimpy caster.  Nevermind that the higher damage per shot, lower ROF guns are usually better for casters in general.

 

In any case, good gun with accuracy buff, nice if you can get ROF, and any mag size bonus is a plus as well.  I almost never run it though because on any of the classes that do those things, I tend to run Raider.  If I have hardly any of that it is usually Wraith or Claymore.

[Deerber]

I almost never run it though because on any of the classes that do those things, I tend to run Raider. If I have hardly any of that it is usually Wraith or Claymore.

Yeah, a much worse opponent than the claymore, to the piranha, is the raider. Can hardly think of any instance in which I'd rather have a piranha than a raider.

[Mordokai]

Nevermind that the higher damage per shot, lower ROF guns are usually better for casters in general.

 

I am honestly interested what makes you say that. And I ask this without mocking intent, or trying to be confrontational. It just interests me why you think so.

 

*pokes Deerber* That PM is still awaiting answer

[RayD3MSoC]

I am honestly interested what makes you say that. And I ask this without mocking intent, or trying to be confrontational. It just interests me why you think so.

 

*pokes Deerber* That PM is still awaiting answer

 

Because shoot, power, shoot?  You don't have to wait the whole delay between shots before you can use a power.  Therefore, you are making use of some of the down time on a slow firing (or charge) weapon. Ideally, you want reloads to line up with powers coming off cd too.

 

Also, Isn't the Talon the best shotgun?

[Ashevajak]

Because shoot, power, shoot?  You don't have to wait the whole delay between shots before you can use a power.  Therefore, you are making use of some of the down time on a slow firing (or charge) weapon. Ideally, you want reloads to line up with powers coming off cd too.

 

That would've been my reasoning, too.  Especially on consoles, that would also allow for easier reload cancelling as well, if I'm not mistaken.

[Deerber]

I am honestly interested what makes you say that. And I ask this without mocking intent, or trying to be confrontational. It just interests me why you think so.

*pokes Deerber* That PM is still awaiting answer

I think I can answer for capn and say that the main reason is reload hiding. Another, maybe minor, reason, is that "casters" cannot usually withstand much damage, and being able to do as much damage in as little time out of cover as possible is a big bonus for them.

And yeah, sorry about the PM. You're not the only one waiting for a pm answer from on here, sadly XD I'll try to get to it at some point in the next future

[capn233]

^Yes all of those reasons.

[Quarian Master Race]

I consider that a taunt because I explicitly stated that "pls don't tell me cdr is overrated". True that might be, "don't tell me" means don't tell me. (I do not think that cdr is too badly important either, but shorter cd is better than longer cd) And as he fail to do so I can only assume his hidden msg is that "you mean nothing" or sth like that. As much as Idc about what I mean to a random person, I'm not going to be happy about it.

Well, you aren't quarian, and you insulted claymore. It is obvious that your opinions are irrelevant.
 

[grailseeker91]

It just depends on my mood. If I want the satisfactory sound of BOOM then I'll take the claymore or raider. When I want oomph with extra rounds then I'll take the wraith. I'm personally not a huge fan of the piranha but will use it from time to time- it just seems to want to always miss whenever I'm not right in the enemy's face. When the name of the game is troll or mass mook wreck, there is the cheesegar when I want easy mode. For everything else... there's the venom. Just don't trust me to be good with it.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

And yeah, sorry about the PM. You're not the only one waiting for a pm answer from on here, sadly XD I'll try to get to it at some point in the next future

 

Indeed not....

[Aetika]

Raising hostility is not part of my intention in starting this thread, and at this point I would like to point out that as much as you guys might be crowning me with terms such as "scrub" "retard" or "fgt" alike, the feeling is not mutual. 

 

They are just teasing you. Claymore has somewhat of fan club here. They don´t really think you are scrub 

[Deerber]

Indeed not....

What if I told you... That there are people who have been waiting more than you have!? XD Yeah I'm a bad person, I know! XD I'll get to it eventually, I promise!

They are just teasing you. Claymore has somewhat of fan club here. They don´t really think you are scrub

Yeah I don't think the word scrub has ever had a serious and bad meaning around here... It's more like a tease.