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[teh DRUMPf!!]

 The Blights prove the necessity of blighted/tainted warriors during a blight. They do not prove the necessity of the Grey Warden order. The Grey Wardens save the world courtesy information they withhold and conceal from everyone (which may have allowed for more deaths during the blights rather than less) and use their savior status to justify running amok in all of the time between blights.

 

... In a way, they kind of remind me of a charming paramilitary group with a prolific track record from the Mass Effect series...

 

Griffons are extinct (don't!), and now, the Wardens should follow their mascot. This is a society for those of us who wisely choose to sacrifice our Grey Warden ally in the Fade and then banish the rest of them back to their little hole in the Anderfels in disgrace. As per the epilogue, this likely spells the end of them.

 

 

> But what will we do about the next blights??

> Same thing we've always done: end it with some blighted/tainted warriors. Only this time, we will not create an inept and unaccountable organization out of it that is built by the Right of Conscription (or, in less fancy terms: scraping the bottom of the barrel). Instead, they will be an arm/branch of a nation's military and will be ready to roll during the blight or any Darkspawn incursion that threatens their lands. It can also be used as an alternative form of punishment to things like costly prisons or crude execution.

 

> But how will the world uncover their secrets?

> Quite easily. No one will exist to defend them, making their top-secret info and classified documents ripe for the picking from spies and such. And, if any Wardens exist who know the essential information and possess any semblance of honor, they will see no point in keeping the secrets with their order going defunct and will make some effort to inform those who should be aware of them. Yeah, Option 1 remains the better bet.

 

Show your support for this noble endeavor!! 

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

[Drasanil]

 

What he said.

[AtreiyaN7]

Sten says: No.

[Red of Rivia]

I know where you get that 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Such loyalty to a glorified band of hooligans.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I know where you get that 

The order appreciates what you provide us. Thedas may forgot our deeds, as most Thedosian who's ignorant and ungrateful bunch, but we never forgot our sacred duty to protect Thedas from any darkspawn's threat.

[dgcatanisiri]

I don't know about disbanding the Wardens, but I've long felt that there needs to be a massive change in the way they operate. I think there's a lot to be concerned about with them, with the First Warden's possible goals, and just the general atmosphere they create of suspicion and distrust - if all of their activities are shrouded in secrecy, who are they accountable to? Who decides where the lines are? Maybe those standards are relaxed during Blights, when it's all about a battle of survival, but these things continue in the time following the Blights.

 

Honestly, I think there'd be a lot more questioning of the Wardens by the fandom if it weren't for Origins having us join them, defaulting them to a heroic position.

[SporkFu]

I can imagine someone, or several someones, all over blight-affected areas, ten or twenty years after each of the blights ended, trying to get the people of Thedas to go along with this very thing. Get rid of the Wardens. They served their purpose, but we don't need them anymore. Heroes go home.

 

This is kinda why I'm conflicted about Blackwall's character. He is what he is, and I'm not gonna get into how much I still want to punch him in the nose every time I go to the Skyhold stables to talk to him... but he got what it meant to be a Warden, what they really should be all about. Capable of, and committed to, doing the things no one else can do to end the greatest threat -- the blight -- that Thedas faces.

[Snook]

Screw that. 

 

Grey Wardens till I dieee tbh. 

 

AND NO THEY HAVE GRIFFONS AGAIN AWW YISS

[Red of Rivia]

The order appreciates what you provide us. Thedas may forgot our deeds, as most Thedosian who's ignorant and ungrateful bunch, but we never forgot our sacred duty to protect Thedas from any darkspawn's threat.

No Warden will be deposed , will not fall as Witchers or the Night's Watch .

[Poisd2Strike]

Griffons are extinct (don't!), and now, the Wardens should follow their mascot.

Show your support for this noble endeavor!! 

 

Actually, the Griffons are not extinct.  Therefore, there is no reason for the Grey Wardens to follow their mascot.  If you want to know more, I suggest reading 'The Last Flight' or searching Google for details...

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I don't know about disbanding the Wardens, but I've long felt that there needs to be a massive change in the way they operate. I think there's a lot to be concerned about with them, with the First Warden's possible goals, and just the general atmosphere they create of suspicion and distrust - if all of their activities are shrouded in secrecy, who are they accountable to? Who decides where the lines are? Maybe those standards are relaxed during Blights, when it's all about a battle of survival, but these things continue in the time following the Blights.

 

Honestly, I think there'd be a lot more questioning of the Wardens by the fandom if it weren't for Origins having us join them, defaulting them to a heroic position.

 

Well in ME, players joined Cerberus but were none too fond of them. What makes the Space Wardens different is that they were portrayed as an organization you were not supposed to trust, whereas in Origins, anyone who was not a baddie worshipped you for being one.

 

To their credit, they did away with this hero-worship since DA2.

 

Actually, the Griffons are not extinct.  Therefore, there is no reason for the Grey Wardens to follow their mascot.  If you want to know more, I suggest reading 'The Last Flight' or searching Google for details...

 

Well so much for "(don't!)"

 

Varric was right. It needs to be made into a sign to hit people with.

[Andraste Take the Wheel]

Alright, destroy the Wardens. Have fun with Razikale and Lusacan! I hope they play nice. 

[Broganisity]

[TheKomandorShepard]

Grey Wardens are proven to be enormous fools by that point pretty much anyone outside small group wardens that are main characters are idiots that blow stuff up.

I mean what avernus did in ferelden , what pretty much  janeka tried to do in legacy and cherry on the cake of stupidity clarel (as well pretty much all wardens with her) that started create demon army tricked by erimond .

 

This bunch of idiots need to be replaced by someone competent.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 It says a lot when the dissenting opinion cannot actually mount any decent defense. The disagreement here boils down to mere fanboyism.

 

 

Alright, destroy the Wardens. Have fun with Razikale and Lusacan! 

 

Um, I covered this. Read the OP. As the Wardens fall apart, their secrets can be had, and the nations of Thedas can adopt them so their militaries can defend against the blights and Darkspawn in general as a military is meant to do anyway. There is no reason why the required warriors need to be an independent entity that uses its status as world saviors to do whatever the F they want and run amok between blights.

[Andraste Take the Wheel]

Um, I covered this. Read the OP. As the Wardens fall apart, their secrets can be had, and the nations of Thedas can defend against the blights and Darkspawn in general as they should be able to do anyway.

 

You think they're just going to pass on their secrets to the world that just decided it didn't want them anymore? I doubt that. 

 

All that thousand years of knowledge on darkspawn and Archdemons and all those warriors trained to fight them would potentially go down the drain if they just decide to torch their records. Maybe they could be convinced to open up more, but eradicating them hardly seems like the way to do it.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

You think they're just going to pass on their secrets to the world that just decided it didn't want them anymore? I doubt that. 

 

Again, read the OP, as I have already covered this. If any Wardens with some semblance of honor exist, they will put the best interests of Thedas before their own pride and come clean about it. However, seeing as the Wardens are not the picture of honor, there is another way: you take the opportunity in their weakness to seize them, either with subtlety (Leliana style) or forcefully (Cullen style).

[Lady Artifice]

 It says a lot when the dissenting opinion cannot actually mount any decent defense. The disagreement here boils down to mere fanboyism.

 

Or it boils down to oversimplification. 

 

 

Instead, they will be an arm/branch of a nation's military and will be ready to roll during the blight or any Darkspawn incursion that threatens their lands. It can also be used as an alternative form of punishment to things like costly prisons or crude execution.

 

This is just impractical. Political situations are too mutable, and have too much effect on any national military, to give the new system you propose any longevity. 

[Hazegurl]

Some knowledge needs to remain secret and that is one of them. It's not a smart move to tell a bunch of people full of religious zealotry and centuries old fear of magic and blood magic in particular that blood magic is needed.  You act like the people of Thedas will be totally accepting and/or nobles and rulers wouldn't totally try to figure out a way to horde that knowledge and resources for themselves. 

 

A future Blight would just be full of countries going "na na boo boo I got more Wardens than you." followed by "What will you give me to release said Wardens to save your country?"

 

Nope. If anything I would rather the Grey Wardens remain with the Inquisition. Keep making Wardens in secret with the organization watching over them. If a Blight occurs, it'll be up to the Inquisition to work with the GW to combat it where ever it is.

[SporkFu]

Isn't the biggest secret they're keeping the fact that becoming a grey warden is a death sentence; that you will eventually be compelled to seek out and kill darkspawn until they kill you back? 

[Fiddles dee dee]

So you're saying have Grey Wardens in every country ready to roll for the blight and information on how to combat the blight?

 

Oh wait no, have an army of blighted warriors in each state...right because different.

 

It seems to me your actual suggestion of the Grey Wardens need a better publicist is actually well founded. I nominate you, OP, for positive PR for the Wardens. 

[AtreiyaN7]

 It says a lot when the dissenting opinion cannot actually mount any decent defense. The disagreement here boils down to mere fanboyism.

 

 

Or I'm busy playing DA:I after a long day of work and just don't feel like writing an essay in response to an idea that I simply find laughable. The Wardens made mistakes, just like almost every other faction in DA:I (and a whole lot of individuals to boot) - yet I don't see you ranting about destroying all the templars or destroying all the mages.

 

You don't simply exterminate a highly useful, talented, and experienced group of warriors and mages - possibly destroying all their hard-won knowledge along the way - because of some mistakes. But hey, let's behave in a reactionary manner just because they were all too human and scared like other people were instead of giving them their shot at redemption.

 

There's no guarantee that in the course of executing your ridiculous plan you can successfully get them to give up their secrets and/or reproduce what they've done in time for the next Blight (per what andraste said). They also still hold some measure of respect with most nations and people, especially because they have no political allegiances.

 

In a Warden-free version of Thedas, do you think Antiva will just rush over to another country's aid and send their pseudo-Wardens in if Ferelden is threatened by the next archedemon? You're just going to have a bunch of countries who probably won't co-operate with each other, and once they've all spent a couple hundred years Blight-free and decide that the darkspawn aren't a threat, you'll probably end up in a situation similar to the one that arose during the Fifth Blight.

 

So drop the fanboyism accusations. I think most people just don't find it worth the time or the effort to do much more than have a laugh and go "No."

[Farangbaa]

The Wardens are ridiculous.

'Only we can save the world from the Blight'
'How, oh great Grey Warden?'
'I won't tell you, nananananaaaaaaaaaaanaaaa. But because only we can save the world, I have the right to force anyone into service and perform a ritual, of which, again, I won't tell you anything. NANANANAAAAAAAAAANAAA'

Ugh. Kill 'em all. Maybe torture them to reveal their secrets for all I care.