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[TheKomandorShepard]

You and Z were practically made for each other.

Nope he has a different opinion about qunari and how to deal with mages.

 

But i wish i could made lambert divine in dai that woule be most competent and pragmatic divine that chantry ever seen.

[Master Warder Z_]

"You fools will not undo my work! Die now knowing that the rebellion dies with you. Die knowing what it is to stand against the righteous!"-Lambert upon the PC reaching the forward Templar camp

"...*panting slightly* Better then I thought." -Lambert upon being reduced to 75% heath

"Know what it is to face a Seeker!"- Lambert upon preforming a high damage strike

"First you then all the mages! All of your kind will be purged or contained!"- Lambert upon negating a spell

"It's been decades since I've had such a able opponents! But now this is where we truly see who is more skilled." Lambert upon reaching 50% percent health

"*scoffs* Pathetic." -Lambert upon delivering a killing blow

"*Panting heavily* "N-No...I can't lose here! Not yet!"- Lambert upon reaching 25% health


"*casting off helmet* You...you and Justinia...I pray...*heaving fit* she is right...I yield. Templars! Stand down...its over." - Lambert upon reaching 1% Health

[AresKeith]

What does Lambert have to do with this weird thread to destroy the Wardens?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Nope he has a different opinion about qunari and how to deal with mages.

 

But i wish i could made lambert divine in dai that woule be most competent and pragmatic divine that chantry ever seen.

That's as much praise as he deserves.

[Master Warder Z_]

What does Lambert have to do with this weird thread to destroy the Wardens?

Got brought up.

o.o and I got a literal ton of stuff written for him.

[Lady Artifice]

What does Lambert have to do with this weird thread to destroy the Wardens?

 

I brought it up in passing, while addressing Z's penchant for liking everything terrible unpopular.

 

It snowballed from there.

[TheKomandorShepard]

That's as much praise as he deserves.

I know lambert is awsome.

[Master Warder Z_]

I also have several Seeker LT characters that were to through out the mage storyline to be as a lead up to Lambert.

Their character bios and what have you are in my DA3 Files.

[zeypher]

you know its funny, the treaties in origins obligated those people to help fight... yet we couldnt leave zathrian alone and find another dalish clan?  or couldnt just go to the council of dwarves and have them do something, like idk put the whole king thing on ice to deal with it...  the mage thing was kind of exempt in this case, but still...  and why should a warden have to round up other nations like garahel did...  why is there not an agreement between all countries to send troops to others that are having blights...  i understand self preservation and all that crap, but cmon a blight is best stopped early and not later... stupid politics...

 

If anything, it shows that lack of common sense is a very serious problem in thedas... whether it be the wardens, loghain, or other countries in general

Bioware games suffer from everyone being stupid. This is a known fact that has to accepted as standard and hence factored into our discussions.

[Zetrial]

Bioware games suffer from everyone being stupid. This is a known fact that has to accepted as standard and hence factored into our discussions.

 

I believe I found the cause for this. It would appear the people of Thedas have empty skulls.

 

[Master Warder Z_]

That'd certainly explain Fiona...

[Augustei]

Bioware games suffer from everyone being stupid. This is a known fact that has to accepted as standard and hence factored into our discussions.

Almost true, Bhelen Aeducan has some sort of secret that causes him not to suffer the effects of this stupidity. We needs to find out the mans secrets

[Dr. rotinaj]

The Wardens are in serious need of reform. They need to be accountable  instead of given free reign to decide what sacrifices must be made to stop the blight. I understand the need to cut away bureaucracy to get stuff done but a giving complete unaccountability to a group like the Wardens is just dangerous. Their control over the secret to save the world is ridiculously powerful in a political sense and is pretty much political corruption waiting to happen. But wait! The Wardens aren't supposed to involve themselves in political matters! ... Except when they do.

 

As it stands, the organization naturally encourages unhealthy leadership. Power, secrecy, unaccountability,an "ends-justify-the-means" mentality, respect. These factors produce egos, people who think they're the only ones who can solve the world's problems. The worst part of having powerful egos is that when they make a mistake,  it's usually a big one as we've seen with Janeka, Dryden, and Clarel.

[dragonflight288]

Yeah, even though he basically left the order, they didn't execute Anders. Hmm, Thedas would be a different place if they had.

 

I think Riordan or Stroud says this line. Now I'm sure I'm not saying the line exactly as it is said in-game, but it's something along these lines." 

 

"It doesn't matter if they leave, all Wardens end up the same. In the Deep Roads. Our blood calls out to the Darkspawn, and we'll either seek them out or they'll seek us."

[Master Warder Z_]

o.o That'd be Riordan

[RobRam10]

Warder x KomandorShepard  BSN's New OTP

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Almost true, Bhelen Aeducan has some sort of secret that causes him not to suffer the effects of this stupidity. We needs to find out the mans secrets

Would it not be more accurate to say that he has partial resistance? That plan in the DN Origin could have gone wrong fairly easily.

 

Edit: For that matter, partial resistance seems like it sums Lambert up pretty well (because really, Adrian played him like a fiddle) though he seems to have gained it through vaccination.

[TheLastArchivist]

Well, what we do know is that Anderfels kept some secret from the rest of the Order and that caused the internal crisis the Wardens face by the end of DA:I.

 

The Order will either be reborn with new leaders, new directives and new rules (and hopefully, less secrets) or it will disappear forever.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Would it not be more accurate to say that he has partial resistance? That plan in the DN Origin could have gone wrong fairly easily.

 

Edit: For that matter, partial resistance seems like it sums Lambert up pretty well (because really, Adrian played him like a fiddle) though he seems to have gained it through vaccination.

Hardly she only planted evidence and lambert did what any sane and competent law-enforcer would do if not idiot divine adrian and her "plan" would be dead long before dai. 

[Gab]

I was a bit disappointed that, with the end of the world in sight, my Hero of Ferelden was out looking for a cure for himself. Kind of pointless if a new God takes over and destroys everything. The Wardens need to be a bit more outward looking!!

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Hardly she only planted evidence and lambert did what any sane and competent law-enforcer would do if not idiot divine adrian and her "plan" would be dead long before dai. 

She planted evidence knowing that Lambert would do what you would have done, and that the mages wouldn't stand for it. It wouldn't matter that he was manipulated into your version of police work if the Divine hadn't played him too, since he had an army of Templars and the mages' phylacteries but Adrian still played him.

 

Seriously, do you even PR?

[TheKomandorShepard]

She planted evidence knowing that Lambert would do what you would have done, and that the mages wouldn't stand for it. It wouldn't matter that he was manipulated into your version of police work if the Divine hadn't played him too, since he had an army of Templars and the mages' phylacteries but Adrian still played him.

Not rly as i said you hardly need to be genius to know if police will find evidence they will arrests suspect hardly playing anyone considering that lambert won then and adrian could only dream about rebellion and wouldn't have long life she didn't plan anything unless that was her plan.

 

Unless you want argue if i will kill someone and that i expected poilice to stop me is playing police like a fidle because hey i knew they would arrest me and they did.

 

Problem was that divine was corrupted so pretty much if someone fell for adrian trap and carried her plan it was divine and even she was pretty much in the end screwd by lamber who took almost all her forces.

 

So in the end in fact Lambert took benefit from everything as pretty much took chantry forces save for cole thing.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Not rly as i said you hardly need to be genius to know if police will find evidence they will arrests suspect hardly playing anyone considering that lambert won then and adrian could only dream about rebellion and wouldn't have long life she didn't plan anything unless that was her plan.

 

Unless you want argue if i will kill someone and that i expected poilice to stop me is playing police like a fidle because hey i knew they would arrest me and they did.

 

Problem was that divine was corrupted so pretty much if someone fell for adrian trap and carried her plan it was divine and even she was pretty much in the end screwd by lamber who took almost all her forces.

 

So in the end in fact Lambert took benefit from everything as pretty much took chantry forces save for cole thing.

The plan, as I understand it, is that Lambert's reaction will be to come down hard on all the mages in addition to arresting Rhys (that alone would probably not have ticked off anyone except Wynne, given that it's entirely reasonable in the absence of fingerprint evidence) and that the mages would be ticked off enough to rebel because of it. Her reasoning was that Lambert was a politically inept jackass who would overreact to any sign he didn't have complete power, and furthermore that the mages would resent this sign of their lack of power. This plan additionally depended on the Divine acting to sabotage Lambert, which I'm uncertain Adrian was responsible for and which she'd be an idiot to count on, but as for Adrian not playing Lambert, what part of her plan did not happen?

 

As for Lambert benefiting at the end, I don't see it. The mages have rebelled thanks to his actions. The one thing he wanted was complete and utter control of them. At first, he had that to a large degree. At the end of the story he has no control over them; he's killed before he can regain it, but even had this not happened you need to completely divorce yourself from rationality to view this as anything but a comedown.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The plan, as I understand it, is that Lambert's reaction will be to come down hard on all the mages in addition to arresting Rhys (that alone would probably not have ticked off anyone except Wynne, given that it's entirely reasonable in the absence of fingerprint evidence) and that the mages would be ticked off enough to rebel because of it. Her reasoning was that Lambert was a politically inept jackass who would overreact to any sign he didn't have complete power, and furthermore that the mages would resent this sign of their lack of power. This plan additionally depended on the Divine acting to sabotage Lambert, which I'm uncertain Adrian was responsible for and which she'd be an idiot to count on, but as for Adrian not playing Lambert, what part of her plan did not happen?

 

As for Lambert benefiting at the end, I don't see it. The mages have rebelled thanks to his actions. The one thing he wanted was complete and utter control of them. At first, he had that to a large degree. At the end of the story he has no control over them; he's killed before he can regain it, but even had this not happened you need to completely divorce yourself from rationality to view this as anything but a comedown.

As i said committing a crime and police arresting you isn't playing police like a fiddle just knowing that something obvious happens.

 

From what i remember lambert attempted arrest rhys and he had good reasons for doing that and mages didn't want hand him to lambert and templars had to intervene.

 

Wasn't sometimes adrian plan to convince wynne to rebelion because templars arrested rhys i doubt that being demolished by templars was part of her plan she screwd up and divine with her incompetence lead to what she wanted in first place.

 

No? He wanted abolish divine in first place (no wonder as she was an idiot) and her actions pretty much allowed him to take almost all her forces leaving her pretty much toothless.Only thing that went bad for him was whole cole matter as it lead to his death.