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[Xetykins]

So you are expecting to have your hands held by the order to consider yourself so? Whatever. I will leave you to your delusion err interpretation. After all it does not affect the rest of us :-)

[TheKomandorShepard]

So you are expecting to have your hands held by the order to consider yourself so? Whatever. I will leave you to your delusion err interpretation. After all it does not affect the rest of us :-)

Yes as i said if policeman will solve crime on his own without police participation and police premission it is his own success not police , if police creates an operation and it is solved by police it goes for police.

 

So no you can claim you work under grey warden authority but you don't the warden thing was his own thing not operation of grey wardens same for above.

[Bugsie]

If I could draw I would draw the HoF skipping around the countryside holding Alistair and Morrigan's hands, stopping and eating freshly packed picnic sandwiches. Then I would write some fanfiction titled 'Famous Four go hunting darkspawn and confront the Archdemon'.

I guess you could argue it's a rather 'unique' take on rp'ing in Dragon Age. By unique I mean totally bizarre and made up and not what the writers or Codex or wiki, or practically anyone else says about the story or the grey wardens. But hey, whatever floats their boat.

Shine on you crazy diamond, shine on.

[Zetrial]

I explained that 1000 times here your warden isn't grey warden order and don't have anything to do with them until daa.In dao all you are is leader of independent group of adventurers with goal to stop blight.

 

Grey warden order did pretty much nothing and had no part in fifth blight.

 

And you would be incorrect 1000 times. The Wardens are a fairly autonomous militant faction with basic standing orders, they don't need a constant flow of orders out to every single member at all times, in Thedas this wouldn't be feasible anyhow, due to communication being restricted to carrier birds or runners. These take time and military units would be expected to be able to operate on their own if needed.

 

Duncan's words

 

'You are called upon to submit yourself  to the taint for the greater good. From this moment forth. You are a Grey Warden. It is finished, welcome.'

 

Those words come from a Grey Warden recruiter, he has inducted you into the Grey Wardens at that point in time. Just because your commanding officer dies shortly after doesn't dismiss you from the Warden's, instead command would pass to the next most suitable member in the chain of command, Alistair ends up deferring to your leadership and you become the commanding officer. Now the Wardens have standing orders to end Blights and kill Darkspawn, and that was in fact what your unit was attempting at the moment of your CO's death. Had your character not gone about trying to achieve these objectives then he could of been marked as a deserter and removed from the Wardens, instead your character doesn't. They go about trying to end the Blight and succeeding in their primary objective, later re-establishing communication with the orders centre of operations.

 

Your police analogy is grossly inaccurate. A soldier who's squad is killed while they survive behind enemy lines and go on to complete their objective is still a soldier, even when communication is cut off to the home base. They do not automatically cease to be a soldier until they return to the centre of operations and are given new orders by a commanding officer.

 

So the Wardens had key involvement regardless of the number involved in the 5th blight, unless you wish to argue Duncan was not a member of the Grey Wardens and him inducting you into the order was therefore void.

[TheKomandorShepard]

And you would be incorrect 1000 times. The Wardens are a fairly autonomous militant faction with basic standing orders, they don't need a constant flow of orders out to every single member at all times, in Thedas this wouldn't be feasible anyhow, due to communication being restricted to carrier birds or runners. These take time and military units would be expected to be able to operate on their own if needed.

 

Duncan's words

 

'You are called upon to submit yourself  to the taint for the greater good. From this moment forth. You are a Grey Warden. It is finished, welcome.'

 

Those words come from a Grey Warden recruiter, he has inducted you into the Grey Wardens at that point in time. Just because your commanding officer dies shortly after doesn't dismiss you from the Warden's, instead command would pass to the next most suitable member in the chain of command, Alistair ends up deferring to your leadership and you become the commanding officer. Now the Wardens have standing orders to end Blights and kill Darkspawn, and that was in fact what your unit was attempting at the moment of your CO's death. Had your character not gone about trying to achieve these objectives then he could of been marked as a deserter and removed from the Wardens, instead your character doesn't. They go about trying to end the Blight and succeeding in their primary objective, later re-establishing communication with the orders centre of operations.

 

Your police analogy is grossly inaccurate. A soldier who's squad is killed while they survive behind enemy lines and go on to complete their objective is still a soldier, even when communication is cut off to the home base. They do not automatically cease to be a soldier until they return to the centre of operations and are given new orders by a commanding officer.

 

So the Wardens had key involvement regardless of the number involved in the 5th blight, unless you wish to argue Duncan was not a member of the Grey Wardens and him inducting you into the order was therefore void.

Oh god another... thinks that duncan word is a gospel

 

Duncan forces you to to joining wheter you want that or not and then he dies it doesn't mean jack crap i said that 1000 times already you can like wardens or not your only misssion is stop blight reasons are up to you but you don't work under grey warden order authority...

 

Also it wasn't even about it as i said Warden mission wasn't authorized and was his own whim you can even said "fu** wardens" and his reason why he want stop blight are up to him/her.Not mention pretty much warden order had nothing to do with friking warden mission what was as i said his own whim they even grey warden order condemned his mission.

 

So no like it or not order wasn't part of warden mission it wasn't supported by them ,they didn't took part in it , warden wasn't working under their authority and orders and neither they approved and we know they didn't.

 

So that you point the warden as example of grey warden order achievements is just bad because they did in fact nothing well outside sending riordan.

 

Duncan died so the rest members of orders all that left was alistair and the warden (recruit that had no any knowledge about wardens and wasn't acting under warden order authority) you can pretty much say as the warden that grey wardens are gone.

[Zetrial]

Oh god another... thinks that duncan word is a gospel

 

Duncan forces you to to joining wheter you want that or not and then he dies it doesn't mean jack crap i said that 1000 times already you can like wardens or not your only misssion is stop blight reasons are up to you but you don't work under grey warden order authority...

 

Also it wasn't even about it as i said Warden mission wasn't authorized and was his own whim you can even said "fu** wardens" and his reason why he want stop blight are up to him/her.Not mention pretty much warden order had nothing to do with friking warden mission what was as i said his own whim they even grey warden order condemned his mission.

 

So no like it or not order wasn't part of warden mission it wasn't supported by them ,they didn't took part in it , warden wasn't working under their authority and orders and neither they approved and we know they didn't.

 

So that you point the warden as example of grey warden order achievements is just bad because they did in fact nothing well outside sending riordan.

 

Duncan died so the rest members of orders all that left was alistair and the warden (recruit that had no any knowledge about wardens and wasn't acting under warden order authority) you can pretty much say as the warden that grey wardens are gone.

 

Duncan was the Warden Commander of Fereldan, if he recruits you into the order, you are part of the order, it is that simple. Or does the order only exist in the Anderfels?

 

Yes he forces the joining upon you whether you wish it or not, right of conscription and all that. Boom, you are part of the order, even without taking the joining, the moment that right is enacted you are a recruit of the Wardens. Pass the joining and you become a basic Warden, fresh yes, but no longer a recruit.

So guess what, that makes you a Warden whether you like it or not, you can express a dislike for the Wardens, justify your actions however you wish, but that doesn't change the fact, that you are continuing the mission of stopping the Blight, the game doesn't allow you to flat out desert, the closest thing you can do is quit playing, you are stuck into BW's narrative, in which you are a Warden trying to stop the Blight.

You are continuing the Warden Commander of Fereldan's mission in stopping the Blight, and given they are basic standing orders for ALL Wardens, that makes it authorised whether you speak with the head office or not. Sure you get no support from outside of Fereldan, but that is because it closed it's borders.

 

And that last little bit is hilarious, so the bulk of the Wardens died, but you and Alistair survive so you can say they are all gone... um no, 2 still live. They are on the verge of being gone but they are still present.

 

So no matter how you wish to head cannon that the HOF was just some random guy who was tainted, it doesn't change the fact that they were inducted into the Grey Wardens, continued the Grey Wardens mission and succeeded in said mission. They were at the end of the 5th Blight, and possibly still are, part of the Order. At no point, are you given the choice to desert. The only Warden that can desert in DA:O is Alistair, not the HOF.

[Xetykins]

That would totally rename Dragon Age Origins to Dragon Age Random Shmuck. Dont think that's what bioware had in mind when they made the game :-)

[Zetrial]

Komandor I am curious, what in your mind. Would of made the HOF a Grey Warden? Duncan surviving and continuing to give orders, running up to Weisshaupt, getting a tap on the shoulders with a sword from the First Warden with a congratulations, you are now a Warden, now go stop that Blight?

I am genuinely curious, thought we may disagree on the HOF being a Warden, I do agree that the group that stopped the Blight was just a band of adventurers. 2 of the members just happened to be Wardens and one of them lead the band. But it wasn't a Warden task force at the fore by any means.

[Ynqve]

How is this even up for debate? It doesn't matter what the HoF says, s/he's undergone the joining, the other wardens of Ferelden see you as their ranking officer (both Loghain and Alistair will defer to your judgment), s/he's running around using grey warden treaties to get what s/he wants and s/he's doing the most grey warden thing you can do - fighting a blight and will end up defeating the archdemon personally. 

 

If it looks like a warden, acts like a warden and is tainted like a warden, it's a bloody warden.

[Basement Cat]

How is this even up for debate? It doesn't matter what the HoF says, s/he's undergone the joining, the other wardens of Ferelden see you as their ranking officer (both Loghain and Alistair will defer to your judgment), s/he's running around using grey warden treaties to get what s/he wants and s/he's doing the most grey warden thing you can do - fighting a blight and will end up defeating the archdemon personally. 

 

If it looks like a warden, acts like a warden and is tainted like a warden, it's a bloody warden.

You forgot eats like a Warden. Dem hollow legs.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I grab you on the street and tell you you are now part of my gang because i say so it doesn't matter what you say you are because i say so.Great logic....

Membership in organisation is first up to you if you say you aren't and don't work for it you aren't despite that organisation claims.

 

Stoping blight isn't in any way equal to being warden order member unless you claim that leliana or morrigan is member of the wardens because they were in fact doing that....

 

As i said stoping blight doesn't mean you are working for grey wardens because in fact you aren't as you don't take orders from them game only forces you to stop blight not work for grey wardens now what you are saying is BS.

 

Whole plan wasn't grey warden plan , order or something there is no grey wardens anymore then what pretty much HoF can say himself and how you feel toward wardens is up to you but you don't work for them in any way you just have to stop the blight for own reasons (that you can chose) and this don't mean in any way being grey warden.

 

 

That would totally rename Dragon Age Origins to Dragon Age Random Shmuck. Dont think that's what bioware had in mind when they made the game :-)

I love how you use argument against something that you do yourself.I didn't know origins means grey warden....

 

 

Komandor I am curious, what in your mind. Would of made the HOF a Grey Warden? Duncan surviving and continuing to give orders, running up to Weisshaupt, getting a tap on the shoulders with a sword from the First Warden with a congratulations, you are now a Warden, now go stop that Blight?

I am genuinely curious, thought we may disagree on the HOF being a Warden, I do agree that the group that stopped the Blight was just a band of adventurers. 2 of the members just happened to be Wardens and one of them lead the band. But it wasn't a Warden task force at the fore by any means.

First you would need ineed agreement from HoF that s/he works with them just claming that don't do anything and second actually work under organisation authority and orders not just go on their own quest with own plan that wasn't even accepted by warden order in fact grey wardens weren't even part of that plan.

Duncan was warden commander and he was leader and he was working under orders of first warden leading part of organisation so first his acctions were accepted by organisation as he was leading part of it but still he was under first warden.

 

The warden was just guy/girl that went on quest to stop blight she didn't had help ,approval or wasn't taking any orders from grey warden order.

 

 

How is this even up for debate? It doesn't matter what the HoF says, s/he's undergone the joining, the other wardens of Ferelden see you as their ranking officer (both Loghain and Alistair will defer to your judgment), s/he's running around using grey warden treaties to get what s/he wants and s/he's doing the most grey warden thing you can do - fighting a blight and will end up defeating the archdemon personally. 

 

If it looks like a warden, acts like a warden and is tainted like a warden, it's a bloody warden.

Does that mean your party members are grey wardens?

 

How it looks like the warden i didn't knew the wardens are being produced to look the same? Acts like a warden not even true considering you can act in complete opposite ways and between.

[Ynqve]

Does that mean your party members are grey wardens?

 

How it looks like the warden i didn't knew the wardens are being produced to look the same? Acts like a warden not even true considering you can act in complete opposite ways and between.

 

Alistair/Loghain is. The rest of them haven't been through the joining, they're not tainted and therefore they aren't wardens. 

 

The HoF does everything that is required of a warden. S/he's fighting the blight no matter what. That's what wardens do, they fight the blight. There are no rules for how a warden can or cannot act, as long as you stop the blight you're doing your job. They avoid politics because they don't want to alienate potential allies, and yet there are several times where they have interfered (with mixed results). The only thing that matters is that you defeat the blight. So unless your warden went to Rivain for a very long vacation instead of fighting the blight, I don't see how they could act against the order. As long as the arch demon dies, Weisshaupt couldn't care less about how many people you sacrificed or what you said to complete the mission.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Alistair/Loghain is. The rest of them haven't been through the joining, they're not tainted and therefore they aren't wardens. 

 

The HoF does everything that is required of a warden. S/he's fighting the blight no matter what. That's what wardens do, they fight the blight. There are no rules for how a warden can or cannot act, as long as you stop the blight you're doing your job. They avoid politics because they don't want to alienate potential allies, and yet there are several times where they have interfered (with mixed results). The only thing that matters is that you defeat the blight. So unless your warden went to Rivain for a very long vacation instead of fighting the blight, I don't see how they could act against the order. As long as the arch demon dies, Weisshaupt couldn't care less about how many people you sacrificed or what you said to complete the mission.

Joining that can be in fact forced by duncan who at that moment is dead along with pretty much rest warden order in ferelden.

 

1.Everyone can fight blight it in fact doesn't in any way mean being member of grey wardens.

2.Yes in fact there are like not involving into stuff especially in politics pretty much even order condemned whole stuff.

 

Working to stop blight isn't equal to being grey warden

1)First you aren't working under their orders neither your plan have their approval making this your own misssion not grey warden order mission.

2)You don't work with order during blight nor you have any contact with them.

 

Game is about stoping blight what anyone can do for own reasons (like pretty most of your companions) you have to do that but you don't have in fact work for grey wardens.

[Basement Cat]

And let's not forget that the HoF is not just 'randomly recruited off the street'. 

 

Human: about to get butchered by enemy troops. Duncan offers to save their life on the condition that they become a Warden. Refuse and game over, basically.

Dalish: Tainted anyway. Become a Warden to stay alive a little longer.

City Elf: Join the Wardens or go be horribly tortured/executed.

Noble Dwarf: Join the Wardens or die in the Deep Roads.

Commoner Dwarf: Join the Wardens or get executed.

Mage: Join the Wardens or go to Wizard prison/become Tranquil.

 

So even if it was under duress, the HoF did agree to join the Wardens. Then they did everything in the game alone because the other Wardens could not get into Ferelden because Loghain had declared the Wardens to be criminals.

 

The Orlesian Wardens didn't want to get into a political mess, so they got busy strengthening Orlais while leaving Ferelden to deal with the Blight on its own.

Fighting Darkspawn is hard enough without having to fight the locals too.

[Zetrial]

I grab you on the street and tell you you are now part of my gang because i say so it doesn't matter what you say you are because i say so.Great logic....

Membership in organisation is first up to you if you say you aren't and don't work for it you aren't despite that organisation claims.

 

The Wardens have the right of conscription which Duncan will use if you refuse to join, it isn't optional. It is mandatory by Thedas law. So yes if a Grey Warden tells you that you are being conscripted, you have no say in the matter. This isn't some bookclub you are joining that is completely optional, it is a militant order given the right by the nations of Thedas to conscript whomever they wish. I would hazard a guess as the meaning of conscription may have eluded you.

Conscription: compulsory enlistment for state service, typically into the armed forces.

Please note the word compulsory. If that evades you as well, here is compulsory.

Compulsory: required by law or a rule; obligatory.

So if you choose to ignore the Warden telling you that you are joining the Wardens you leave yourself at the mercy of whatever the law sees a fit punishment, which considering Dragon Age is set during a  medieval period, a common punishment for military desertion would be death by hanging.

 

Stoping blight isn't in any way equal to being warden order member unless you claim that leliana or morrigan is member of the wardens because they were in fact doing that....

 

I agree, trying to stop the blight does not make Leliana or Morrigan part of the Grey Wardens. Still trying to stop a Blight is something ALL Wardens are required to do.

 

As i said stoping blight doesn't mean you are working for grey wardens because in fact you aren't as you don't take orders from them game only forces you to stop blight not work for grey wardens now what you are saying is BS.

 

See first point.

 

Whole plan wasn't grey warden plan , order or something there is no grey wardens anymore then what pretty much HoF can say himself and how you feel toward wardens is up to you but you don't work for them in any way you just have to stop the blight for own reasons (that you can chose) and this don't mean in any way being grey warden.

 

Plan was HoF's plan, which going on first point, was a Grey Warden, thus it was a Grey Wardens plan.

 

 

I love how you use argument against something that you do yourself.I didn't know origins means grey warden....

 

 

 

First you would need ineed agreement from HoF that s/he works with them just claming that don't do anything and second actually work under organisation authority and orders not just go on their own quest with own plan that wasn't even accepted by warden order in fact grey wardens weren't even part of that plan.

Duncan was warden commander and he was leader and he was working under orders of first warden leading part of organisation so first his acctions were accepted by organisation as he was leading part of it but still he was under first warden.

 

The warden was just guy/girl that went on quest to stop blight she didn't had help ,approval or wasn't taking any orders from grey warden order.

 

As the first point illuminated, agreement from the HoF isn't required. But going by your reasoning here, Alistair wasn't a Warden either as he didn't run off to Weisshaupt and get orders directly from the First Warden, as opposed to continuing the standing edict/order 'Find Darkspawn, Kill Darkspawn, End Blights' short of getting specific orders contrary to this edict, say to muster in a certain location to prepare for an assault they are your standing orders. What reasons you choose to follow them are up to you, none the less you follow them. Not everyone will follow an order for the sake of following an order, soldier or no, we all have different reasons, that doesn't change that we followed the instruction given.

The HoF definitely had help from the Order, not large amounts sure, Riordan was the Orders attempt to establish contact with or find out what happened to the Fereldan Wardens as they were MIA. He also goes on to assist in the Battle of Denerim or would you count Riordan grounding the Archdemon for the HoF to slay as not helping?

 

 

Does that mean your party members are grey wardens?

 

How it looks like the warden i didn't knew the wardens are being produced to look the same? Acts like a warden not even true considering you can act any in complete opposite ways and between.

 

Have your party members undergone the joining? No, therefore you skipped the tainted like a warden part. Ynqve listed a set of requirements(and) to meet, not meet a single requirement(or) out of these to meet, and you use selective reading to ignore that and try to poke holes in an incorrect interpretation of their post. Fault is yours, not theirs there.

 

Bolded parts are my responses.

[TheKomandorShepard]

And let's not forget that the HoF is not just 'randomly recruited off the street'. 

 

Human: about to get butchered by enemy troops. Duncan offers to save their life on the condition that they become a Warden. Refuse and game over, basically.

Dalish: Tainted anyway. Become a Warden to stay alive a little longer.

City Elf: Join the Wardens or go be horribly tortured/executed.

Noble Dwarf: Join the Wardens or die in the Deep Roads.

Commoner Dwarf: Join the Wardens or get executed.

Mage: Join the Wardens or go to Wizard prison/become Tranquil.

 

So even if it was under duress, the HoF did agree to join the Wardens. Then they did everything in the game alone because the other Wardens could not get into Ferelden because Loghain had declared the Wardens to be criminals.

 

The Orlesian Wardens didn't want to get into a political mess, so they got busy strengthening Orlais while leaving Ferelden to deal with the Blight on its own.

Fighting Darkspawn is hard enough without having to fight the locals too.

Not rly and don't even mean anything here.

 

You are forced if you refuse and then again during joining then duncan dies along with rest of wardens when plot forces you to stop blight for any reasons you want that don't make you work for grey wardens.

You are stoping it as leader of independent group.

 

 

Bolded parts are my responses.

1.This is just ridiculous that because laws say something doesn't mean you have to or it is ultimate truth.In fact it only works you because they force you but bam you say no and kill duncan you are still grey warden because law or duncan say so? Pls... Duncan dies wheter you see yourself as grey warden or not it is up to you  only thing game forces you is to stop blight and grey warden order doesn't anything to do with your plan in this game.

 

2.Yes it is obvs as it is what grey wardens do but not something what only grey wardens do... as i you have to stop blight in this game why you do that is up to you but grey warden order isn't part of this plan neither you are working for them.

 

4.Not at all this came up as hero of ferelden idea and his (well perhaps along with his team) but plan was never approved by grey warden order and neither that was plan of grey warden order pretty much as i said they didn't approved that as we are informed in da 2.You are probably talking about goal stoping blight what pretty much everyone not only grey wardens can have but the warden plan was never grey warden order plan.

 

5.Of course it is as i already explained you can claim and make law that i work for you but if you aren't able to make me work for you it isn't worth crap.Well in fact alistair during in blight wasn't working for grey wardens order only for the warden because he wasn't serving order authority or working with order later he may go back under their authority or not.I have said already order did nothing outside sending riordan who wasn't there help the warden and alistair only contact with rest of the wardens but in fact he was working under grey warden order.

 

As i said grey warden were destroyed HoF was free of that (what he can point) and when he didn't escaped and decided to stop blight for his own reasons it doesn't make him grey warden member as it doesn't make leliana grey warden member just because she decided to stop blight. 

 

Pretty much that RoC or joining don't make you grey warden member is beautifully illustrated with anders if you have low approval with him

 

Anders- i decided to leave i don't want be grey warden

WC-You can't

Anders-No? Watch me <leaves>

[Angry_Elcor]

Show your support for this noble endeavor!!

 

Hold, on, I'm still trying to figure out what's noble about wanting to change a video game world.

[Ajna]

The joining is an INITIATION into the order making one...shock, horror! A Grey Warden! Who woulda thunk it?

[TheKomandorShepard]

The joining is an INITIATION into the order making one...shock, horror! A Grey Warden! Who woulda thunk it?

Yeah Anders...

[Ajna]

*shakes head and walks away*

[Zetrial]

Not rly and don't even mean anything here.

 

You are forced if you refuse and then again during joining then duncan dies along with rest of wardens when plot forces you to stop blight for any reasons you want that don't make you work for grey wardens.

You are stoping it as leader of independent group.

 

 

1.This is just ridiculous that because laws say something doesn't mean you have to or it is ultimate truth.In fact it only works you because they force you but bam you say no and kill duncan you are still grey warden because law or duncan say so? Pls... Duncan dies wheter you see yourself as grey warden or not it is up to you  only thing game forces you is to stop blight and grey warden order doesn't anything to do with your plan in this game.

 

2.Yes it is obvs as it is what grey wardens do but not something what only grey wardens do... as i you have to stop blight in this game why you do that is up to you but grey warden order isn't part of this plan neither you are working for them.

 

4.Not at all this came up as hero of ferelden idea and his (well perhaps along with his team) but plan was never approved by grey warden order and neither that was plan of grey warden order pretty much as i said they didn't approved that as we are informed in da 2.You are probably talking about goal stoping blight what pretty much everyone not only grey wardens can have but the warden plan was never grey warden order plan.

 

5.Of course it is as i already explained you can claim and make law that i work for you but if you aren't able to make me work for you it isn't worth crap.Well in fact alistair during in blight wasn't working for grey wardens order only for the warden because he wasn't serving order authority or working with order later he may go back under their authority or not.I have said already order did nothing outside sending riordan who wasn't there help the warden and alistair only contact with rest of the wardens but in fact he was working under grey warden order.

 

As i said grey warden were destroyed HoF was free of that (what he can point) and when he didn't escaped and decided to stop blight for his own reasons it doesn't make him grey warden member as it doesn't make leliana grey warden member just because she decided to stop blight. 

 

Pretty much that RoC or joining don't make you grey warden member is beautifully illustrated with anders if you have low approval with him

 

Anders- i decided to leave i don't want be grey warden

WC-You can't

Anders-No? Watch me <leaves>

 

You missed 3

 

But I'm only going to address 1 for now as I am going to get some sleep shortly.

That is exactly what the law is, if the law says don't go over 80 km/h and you do and are caught, guess what, you are fined and punished. The law is mandatory, if you are caught in breach of it, you will be punished within the bounds of the law. Thedas law in particular is fairly brutal as was medieval law, steal from a noble, lose a hand.

If you killed Duncan and there were no witnesses, you would get away with it and could go on your merry way pretending it never happened. However, say you did that in front of the entire alienage as a city elf, well the gallows for you.

But alas it doesn't, so it isn't a choice you have the game forces you to accept it, it is telling a narrative in which you are part of, just because you don't agree with part of the narrative doesn't not make it not true. Headcannon, write your own fan fiction and stick your head in the sand all you like, it won't change the events Bioware presented us with.

[TheKomandorShepard]

*shakes head and walks away*

I know that truth have to be scary...

 

 

You missed 3

 

But I'm only going to address 1 for now as I am going to get some sleep shortly.

That is exactly what the law is, if the law says don't go over 80 km/h and you do and are caught, guess what, you are fined and punished. The law is mandatory, if you are caught in breach of it, you will be punished within the bounds of the law. Thedas law in particular is fairly brutal as was medieval law, steal from a noble, lose a hand.

If you killed Duncan and there were no witnesses, you would get away with it and could go on your merry way pretending it never happened. However, say you did that in front of the entire alienage as a city elf, well the gallows for you.

But alas it doesn't, so it isn't a choice you have the game forces you to accept it, it is telling a narrative in which you are part of, just because you don't agree with part of the narrative doesn't not make it not true. Headcannon, write your own fan fiction and stick your head in the sand all you like, it won't change the events Bioware presented us with.

Well 3 point was addressing to first so no reason to answer on that.

 

That law tells you not to go over 80km/h doesn't mean you have follow it you in fact can go over 80 km/h but you will have to deal with consequences same you can do here and i presented on Anders as example.

 

Narrative never forces you to be grey warden game as i said forces you only to stop blight what by any means don't mean the same and in fact there are plenty dialogue options that support the warden not seeing himself as part of the order.

[AresKeith]

*shakes head and walks away*

 

[Lady Artifice]

And the Cerberus comparison is absolutely terrible.

 

 

This.

 

Maker, I can't say it enough...This.

[Master Warder Z_]

Yeah Anders...

A Warden traitor what about it?

Deserters and all that.