326 réponses à ce sujet

[Master Warder Z_]

This.

Maker, I cannot say it enough...This.

Agreed although it seems both are being rewritten heavily...lets hope it doesn't end the same.

Cerberus was my bread and butter.

[TheKomandorShepard]

A Warden traitor what about it?

Deserters and all that.

What makes him perfect example what i wanted to show.

[dragonflight288]

 It says a lot when the dissenting opinion cannot actually mount any decent defense. The disagreement here boils down to mere fanboyism.

 

 

 

Um, I covered this. Read the OP. As the Wardens fall apart, their secrets can be had, and the nations of Thedas can adopt them so their militaries can defend against the blights and Darkspawn in general as a military is meant to do anyway. There is no reason why the required warriors need to be an independent entity that uses its status as world saviors to do whatever the F they want and run amok between blights.

 

Before destroying the wardens, you must first make sure you get a copy of the Joining Ritual just so you can make new tainted warriors who can fight and kill an archdemon. 

 

And since the Joining is a form of blood magic, you'll have to take care not to have it banned or destroyed by the powers that be who hold a prejudice against it. Such as the Chantry and Andrastian monarchs. 

 

And you'll have to convince people to keep the Joining available if it remains preserved, and have enough pseudo-Wardens available to fight and hopefully kill an archdemon, taking into account the fatality rate of the Joining itself. 

 

Like the order or not, the Wardens also have ancient treaties that grant them certain powers, many of which have been abused and should be rectified, but those powers also allow them to keep up the numbers and receive the logistical support needed to better combat the blights. 

 

Without the Wardens, there are no treaties. And without the treaties you'll have to forge new alliances, gather arms, recruit new members, hope they survive, and somehow be able to coordinate in such a fashion to best combat the blight, and for that you'll need infrastructure, a chain of command and such. 

 

And if you destroy the Wardens, there is no guarantee that you'll be able to preserve the Joining, which was created using knowledge of ancient elven magic, blood magic, and a lot of trial and error with experimenting with the taint. So there is also no guarantee that you'll be able to recreate it either. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Chantry don't have problem with using blood magic as long it is under control and safe after all phylacteries.

[Master Warder Z_]

What makes him perfect example what i wanted to show.

How?

The HOF never deserted.

[AlexMBrennan]

Actually, there is no need for a grey warden order at all - if anything, Origins showed that a sufficiently large army of non-wardens is sufficient as long as you have one warden to strike the killing blow; just grab a bunch of prisoners about to be executed and ask whether they'd prefer the block or the joining ritual and a chance to be remembered as a hero.

And if you destroy the Wardens, there is no guarantee that you'll be able to preserve the Joining, which was created using knowledge of ancient elven magic, blood magic, and a lot of trial and error with experimenting with the taint. So there is also no guarantee that you'll be able to recreate it either.

If only someone had invented writing...

[TheKomandorShepard]

How?

The HOF never deserted.

It wasn't comparison to HoF it was just an example that those thing don't make you member of grey warden order and you can just leave.

 

They can leave with that at that moment when you declare that grey wardens can't do anything about it.

[Master Warder Z_]

It wasn't comparison to HoF

They can leave with that at that moment when you declare that grey wardens can't do anything about it.

Do you not remember why?

Stroud overlooked Anders as a favor because there wasn't a blight.

o.o

[TheKomandorShepard]

Do you not remember why?

Stroud overlooked Anders as a favor because there wasn't a blight.

o.o

 

Leaving grey wardens is action wardens going after anders is consequence.

 

Pretty much they can meet twice he gets away with it hell he even stays in same place for 7 years.

 

Same for drunk Alistair just with that he stays in same place for 3 years.

[Master Warder Z_]

Leaving grey wardens is action wardens going after anders is consequence.

Pretty much they can meet twice he gets away with it hell he even stays in same place for 7 years.

Same for drunk Alistair just with that he stays in same place for 3 years.

...what.

[dragonflight288]

Shepard, you're making no sense. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

...what.

That Anders can leave wardens despite RoC and joining and he was used by me as example of such thing.

 

Now being hunted by wardens is consequence that didn't rly matter in case of what i was talking about ,but if we touched that i said that wardens as far aren't eager to hunt such individuals.

[LOLandStuff]

Anders is crazy. Him being a Grey Warden has nothing to do with blowing up the Chantry. It just happened he'd met Justice, was dumb enough to accept merging with him and things went bonkers from there. If anything, Anders learned nothing from his time at the Circle. Justice was showing signs through party banter that he's slowly changing his mind about returning to the Fade and how cool and awesome the outside was.

I said it before, Anders skipped class.

Might as well blame the HoF for introducing these two while we're at it.

[Master Warder Z_]

That Anders can leave wardens despite RoC and joining and he was used by me as example of such thing.

That you can desert?

Well of course you can.

[WildOrchid]

Shepard, you're making no sense. 

 

Pretty much.

[LOLandStuff]

That you can desert?

Well of course you can.

 

Anders in real life would be that guy who can't hold a job more than one month and blames everyone else and the system for being a poor employee.

[TheKomandorShepard]

That you can desert?

Well of course you can.

This isn't obvs for everyone that is why i had to point it.

[dragonflight288]

This isn't obvs for everyone that is why i had to point it.

 

It is obvious to people, as is the usual consequence of execution if caught. 

 

Alistair and Anders seem to be exceptions. Alistair because of his parentage and Anders because apparently Stroud owed him a favor. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

It is obvious to people, as is the usual consequence of execution if caught. 

 

Alistair and Anders seem to be exceptions. Alistair because of his parentage and Anders because apparently Stroud owed him a favor. 

As i mentioned and you ignored that has nothing to do with what i was saying.

 

But on that

 

Alistair if drunk was no one yet still spend 3 years in same place and wardens weren't specially interested in him and he wasn't very quiet about it.

 

Neither they were in anders who spend 7 years in same place and even meet wardens twice.

[dragonflight288]

As i mentioned and you ignored that has nothing to do with what i was saying.

 

But on that

 

Alistair if drunk was no one yet still spend 3 years in same place and wardens weren't specially interested in him and he wasn't very quiet about it.

 

Neither they were in anders who spend 7 years in same place and even meet wardens twice.

 

Anders was being protected by the people because he was offering them free healing services.

 

And Alistair still is the son of King Maric and was on the public stage in Ferelden and has powerful eyes watching him. 

 

Like I said, those two seem to be the exceptions and not the rule. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Anders was being protected by the people because he was offering them free healing services.

 

And Alistair still is the son of King Maric and was on the public stage in Ferelden and has powerful eyes watching him. 

 

Like I said, those two seem to be the exceptions and not the rule. 

 

If grey warden wanted to get him they would as templars that in fact were after him could (at least until champion started to protect him)

 

Alistair lost all his rights to the throne and didn't had any eyes watching him until Teagan found him in kirkwall bar 4 years after blight he was pretty much nothing but drunk.

[dragonflight288]

If grey warden wanted to get him they would as templars that in fact were after him could (at least until champion started to protect him)

 

Alistair lost all his rights to the throne and didn't had any eyes watching him until Teagan found him in kirkwall bar 4 years after blight he was pretty much nothing but drunk.

 

And yet remains the son of King Maric. And you can't say no eyes were on him. Teagan came for him, and that means people of influence were looking for him. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

And yet remains the son of King Maric. And you can't say no eyes were on him. Teagan came for him, and that means people of influence were looking for him. 

It doesn't matter whos son he was as i said he lost all rights and he held no political power nor he had any sort of protection as he was only drunk (hell even companions didn't belive in his story).So unless wardens let him go because well respected maric in what i doubt his father wasn't any sort of protection for him.

[dragonflight288]

It doesn't matter whos son he was as i said he lost all rights and he held no political power nor he had any sort of protection as he was only drunk (hell even companions didn't belive in his story).So unless wardens let him go because well respected maric in what i doubt his father wasn't any sort of protection for him.

 

Fine, forget Maric. Eamon, Teagan and who knows how many other Ferelden nobles were looking for him, and so powerful eyes were still on him or were looking for him. 

 

Duncan didn't try forcing the issue in the beginning of the Cousland origin because he didn't want to alienate the nobles and get the wardens exiled again. 

 

Alistair may have dropped in importance when he became a drunk, but powerful eyes were still on him or were looking for him, so he remains an exception. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Fine, forget Maric. Eamon, Teagan and who knows how many other Ferelden nobles were looking for him, and so powerful eyes were still on him or were looking for him. 

 

Duncan didn't try forcing the issue in the beginning of the Cousland origin because he didn't want to alienate the nobles and get the wardens exiled again. 

 

Alistair may have dropped in importance when he became a drunk, but powerful eyes were still on him or were looking for him, so he remains an exception. 

Alistair was an exile from ferelden there is no way eamon or teagan could declare open support without making mad good portion of nobility and also anora and they didn't knew even where he was.

 

Cousland was most powerful noble family that was well liked in ferelden and human noble wasn't exile.

 

So if wardens wanted to get alistair teagan and eamon couldn't do anything about it.