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Example: Aeschylus was an Ancient Greek playwright. He is referred to as the father of tragedy but it is believed that this refers instead to his form of death. He was killed on a bright sunny day during which the sheen from his balding head demonstrated a sufficiently hard surface to a passing eagle who was clasping a tortoise. The eagle dropped the tortoise on poor Aeschy's head killing him and the tortoise. 

 

This is a problematic rendition of history as it voids the literary meaning of tragedy but it is an example of bizarre that I would love to know more about so post your weird history.

 

Please please please (I will sacrifice my first born for) no political commentary. Plz


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Awww yeah... Now THIS is what I'm talking about!!
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So am I supposed to tell you about all the porn I watch? Get it? Weird history? I'll be here all week


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So am I supposed to tell you about all the porn I watch? Get it? Weird history? I'll be here all week

Son your puns must improve!

 

Another example is that in an attempt to deter Romans from invading, Carthaginians catapulted live snakes at Roman ships. 


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Son your puns must improve!

 

Another example is that in an attempt to deter Romans from invading, Carthaginians catapulted live snakes at Roman ships. 

Booo, my puns is top tier homie

 

Ah, that kind of weird history



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Mao Zedong once caused an international incident by inviting Nikita Khrushchev to a pool party. You see, after Mao first gained control of China, he visited Moscow for Stalin's 70th birthday, but the Soviets only let him greet Stalin briefly, and they made him wait several weeks in a crappy little hotel room before they let him meet with Stalin formally, and the meeting accomplished nothing. Then, during the Korean war, the Soviets forced the Chinese to pay for the weapons they had supplied to North Korea. And so, after Stalin died, Mao decided to take out his frustration on Khrushchev. He knew that he didn't know how to swim, so when Khrushchev visited China, Mao invited him to a swim with him. Khrushchev had to wear floaties, and Mao swam circles around him the whole time, as they discussed important policy. Khrushchev was pretty mad.


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Mao Zedong once caused an international incident by inviting Nikita Khrushchev to a pool party. You see, after Mao first gained control of China, he visited Moscow for Stalin's 70th birthday, but the Soviets only let him greet Stalin briefly, and they made him wait several weeks in a crappy little hotel room before they let him meet with Stalin formally, and the meeting accomplished nothing. Then, during the Korean war, the Soviets forced the Chinese to pay for the weapons they had supplied to North Korea. And so, after Stalin died, Mao decided to take out his frustration on Khrushchev. He knew that he didn't know how to swim, so when Khrushchev visited China, Mao invited him to a swim with him. Khrushchev had to wear floaties, and Mao swam circles around him the whole time, as they discussed important policy issues. Khrushchev was pretty mad.

 

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Are you ok Boob?

I think so, why?



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I think so, why?

I just had to check.

 

The phrase "Miracle of the great coincidence" refers to Saint Silverius who took over as Pope after his father Hormisdas died. 



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Vlad the Impaler ate people


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Officially, the longest war in history was between the Netherlands and the Isles of Scilly, which lasted from 1651 to 1986. There were no casualties.
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Officially, the longest war in history was between the Netherlands and the Isles of Scilly, which lasted from 1651 to 1986. There were no casualties.


That state of war probably never existed, and was basically just a quirky little myth.

The reason for the myth being started is kind of weird. During the British Civil Wars of the mid-seventeenth century, the Parliamentarian forces defeated the royalists. The Royal Navy, however, escaped, and made anchor at the Isles of Scilly, a small archipelago off the Cornish coast. The predominant landowner there was a Royalist, so they considered it to be a safe haven while the Stuart cause plotted its next move.

Although the Parliamentary forces lacked a powerful navy, they had allied with the Dutch Republic. The Dutch, possessing one of the strongest navies in Europe, would be more than a match for the royalist forces, and were at any rate eager to wipe out a potential rival for control of the seas. Since the Royal Navy couldn't do much about Parliamentary control of Great Britain, its commanders chose instead to launch a commerce-raiding campaign against Parliament's Dutch allies. This effort at guerre de course came to an end in 1651 when Admiral Maarten Tromp led a Dutch armada to Scilly, seeking to eliminate the royalist threat.

Tromp supposedly declared war on the islands - and only the islands, because the rest of England was in Parliament's hands - but within a month, Parliamentary forces convinced the Scilly Royalists to surrender anyway. According to the myth, however, matters were never really settled with the Dutch, who simply went home without signing a peace treaty. The legend grew over the centuries, until the 1980s when local islander government staged a mock treaty-signing PR event with the Dutch ambassador to the UK in order to put the whole thing to rest. The islanders had sent the Dutch embassy an official request to see if the state of war was legit, and the embassy's staff apparently verified that it was.

Unfortunately for the tale of this 335 Year War, Tromp's initial declaration of war is dubious. It probably didn't happen: the evidence in favor is extremely scanty. And even if it did happen, Tromp had had no authorization from the Republic to actually declare war on Scilly. And even if Tromp's instructions had somehow included a declaration of war, a war against Scilly would be invalid because Scilly was not and has never been its own country. But failing all those requirements, a war between the Dutch and Scilly would have been terminated in 1654, after the First Anglo-Dutch War (allies fell out rather quickly in the seventeenth century), when the two countries signed their own peace treaty, and Scilly was covered under that treaty as part of England.

Or, as the British themselves would say: it's a load of bollocks.

The war became "official" because the Dutch embassy in London verified it in 1986, and the embassy was, to put it bluntly, wrong. Either embassy state knew they were wrong and wanted to stage a fun PR event, or they failed to apply proper historical rigor to the very scanty evidence.
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The war became "official" because the Dutch Embassy in London verified it in 1986, and the Embassy was, to put it bluntly, wrong. Either embassy state knew they were wrong and wanted to stage a fun PR event, or they failed to apply proper historical rigor to the very scanty evidence.

 

You are free to write to Netherlands and explain they need to use proper historical rigour though somehow I think WE ALL know that it wasn't serious as there was never any battles or deaths from said war, yes?



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You are free to write to Netherlands and explain they need to use proper historical rigour though somehow I think WE ALL know that it wasn't serious as there was never any battles or deaths from said war, yes?


I don't need to; other historians have already published along those lines, and they are better than I am at this. And it'd be pointless to tell the Dutch that they're wrong, because they either already know and don't care, or they know but liked having that little ceremony/PR boost so they won't admit they know, or they don't know but the other historians haven't convinced them that they're wrong so I certainly won't.

It's kind of a pet peeve of mine: the persistent claims of wars that have been extended by diplomatic irregularities. Most of these are not real. (Some of them are! Which is still cool!) The worst one is when people claim that the Third Punic War didn't end until Tunisian and Italian officials met for a signing event in 1985. Not surprisingly, this played a role in spurring the Scilly request to the Dutch embassy in London...but it's preposterous. The Qarthadastei government was either killed or captured in the final act of the Roman siege, with many of its people enslaved. There was no Qarthadast for the Romans to sign a treaty with: the oldest and easiest way to end a war. The city still existed, but it was incorporated into the Roman provincial system and eventually became one of the greatest cities of the Empire, as Carthago, one terminus of the most important trade spine in the world.

By every definition of peace, Roma and Carthago were at peace. But Italy and Tunisia saw a PR event in the offing, so they made up a sham state of war and had a sham treaty-signing to go along with it.

This is just one example of how governments find it expedient to rewrite history to suit their own ends. It is not good history to take what they have to say at face value.

And yeah, I know it wasn't particularly serious. The Dutch ambassador used the ceremony as an opportunity to crack a few jokes about the threat of a Dutch invasion. We're not dealing with a mass cover-up here, or anything like it. But it is wrong to say that there was a state of war between the Netherlands and the Isles of Scilly for 335 years, even if it was a supposedly accidental war, because either way, it didn't happen.
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Eirene...I love you.

 

You are the best goddess of peace. 

 

Would unlike and like your posts again!

 

Please tell me more.



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I don't need to; other historians have already published along those lines, and they are better than I am at this. And it'd be pointless to tell the Dutch that they're wrong, because they either already know and don't care, or they know but liked having that little ceremony/PR boost so they won't admit they know, or they don't know but the other historians haven't convinced them that they're wrong so I certainly won't.

It's kind of a pet peeve of mine: the persistent claims of wars that have been extended by diplomatic irregularities. Most of these are not real. (Some of them are! Which is still cool!) The worst one is when people claim that the Third Punic War didn't end until Tunisian and Italian officials met for a signing event in 1985. Not surprisingly, this played a role in spurring the Scilly request to the Dutch embassy in London...but it's preposterous. The Qarthadastei government was either killed or captured in the final act of the Roman siege, with many of its people enslaved. There was no Qarthadast for the Romans to sign a treaty with: the oldest and easiest way to end a war. The city still existed, but it was incorporated into the Roman provincial system and eventually became one of the greatest cities of the Empire, as Carthago, one terminus of the most important trade spine in the world.

By every definition of peace, Roma and Carthago were at peace. But Italy and Tunisia saw a PR event in the offing, so they made up a sham state of war and had a sham treaty-signing to go along with it.

This is just one example of how governments find it expedient to rewrite history to suit their own ends. It is not good history to take what they have to say at face value.

And yeah, I know it wasn't particularly serious. The Dutch ambassador used the ceremony as an opportunity to crack a few jokes about the threat of a Dutch invasion. We're not dealing with a mass cover-up here, or anything like it. But it is wrong to say that there was a state of war between the Netherlands and the Isles of Scilly for 335 years, even if it was a supposedly accidental war, because either way, it didn't happen.

 

Hey I used to teach history and worked in the field for a while.  If I had a quid for every time I hear someone made incarnate historical reference  I would have A LOT of dosh. Used to make me so cross and I would take the ****** out of them but it got old very fast. When Braveheart came out my head nearly popped for obvious reasons. It was then I stopped correcting people because besides coming over as a "know it all" I realised most people are going to believe what they want anyway and me correcting them made them resentful. Though I am quite strict with my kids and have been known to  make my close American friends cross with my interjections but I am only human for goodness sake!


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When Gillette first started selling razors they faced a deluge of complaints stating that the razors did not work. The purchasers were not removing the razors from the wrapping around the blades. 


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When Gillette first started selling razors they faced a deluge of complaints stating that the razors did not work. The purchasers were not removing the razors from the wrapping around the blades. 

 

I really hope this isnt true, otherwise

 

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Hey I used to teach history and worked in the field for a while.  If I had a quid for every time I hear someone made incarnate historical reference  I would have A LOT of dosh. Used to make me so cross and I would take the ****** out of them but it got old very fast. When Braveheart came out my head nearly popped for obvious reasons. It was then I stopped correcting people because besides coming over as a "know it all" I realised most people are going to believe what they want anyway and me correcting them made them resentful. Though I am quite strict with my kids and have been known to  make my close American friends cross with my interjections but I am only human for goodness sake!

 

Way to ruin Scottish history Mel Gibson!!! Although, Hollywood's really at fault for that mockery of history, but it's not really new either.

 

As for history, I recall a story I heard that a young Cleopatra had herself rolled up into a rug to be delivered to Julius Caesar when he showed up in Egypt.

 

I'll let you guys fight over the accuracy of that story...  :ph34r:

 

 

I really hope this isnt true, otherwise

 

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I would not be surprised.
 
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Way to ruin Scottish history Mel Gibson!!! Although, Hollywood's really at fault for that mockery of history, but it's not really new either.

 

As for history, I recall a story I heard that a young Cleopatra had herself rolled up into a rug to be delivered to Julius Caesar when he showed up in Egypt.

 

I'll let you guys fight over the accuracy of that story...  :ph34r:

 

 
 
I would not be surprised.
 
Facepalm away!

 

 

 

What I love about Cleopatra is the myth she was beautiful. There is no real historical evidence to back this up. What little we do have on her looks was plain to a bit on the ugly side. 

 

Never-the-less I still like Elizabeth Taylor in those saucy costumes! Hubba hubba!

 

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I really hope this isnt true, otherwise

 

It is actually true or factual rather as I don't like the word "true". 



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It is actually true or factual rather as I don't like the word "true". 

 

 

Hmmm I do. To each their own I suppose.



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What I love about Cleopatra is the myth she was beautiful. There is no real historical evidence to back this up. What little we do have on her looks was plain to a bit on the ugly side. 

 

Never-the-less I still like Elizabeth Taylor in those saucy costumes!

 

Inbreeding will do that to you...

 

Of course, from what I recall the historical record never really said she was beautiful, but focused more on her personality. Unfortunately, it's been quite some time so I suppose I could be wrong...

 

Elizabeth Taylor though...  :wub:



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Inbreeding will do that to you...

 

Of course, from what I recall the historical record never really said she was beautiful, but focused more on her personality. Unfortunately, it's been quite some time so I suppose I could be wrong...

 

Elizabeth Taylor though...  :wub:

 

Yes she was a looker back then. Curvy, sassy, head strong.   Oh my!


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