It's also seems to happen a lot less often than you think particularly from one night stands. No crap every sexual encounter with fertile people has a chance to result in pregancy. So does protected sex with two fertile people.
"Abstinence is the only form of birth control that is100% effective preventing pregnancy." -KidsHealth 
And where are these chemicals that stop the libido in the DA setting? Because I haven't heard of any. Also again random sex was said to be something not practiced. But that being retconned is fine?
No society can sustain itself simply on the brainless laborers that chemical produces. They'd be hemorrhaging more people than they already are. My point is the brainwashing would be a last resort. If they threw a fit about every slight deviance it'd simply be inefficient.
Children have to play that's what kids do. That's how they learn. According to DAO qun...children don't play.
They have drugs that make people into the "haitian zombie", why would they not have something that stops libido?
Non-chemical brain washing is a part of every day life under the Qun, everyone is indoctrinated into believing in the "great certainty".
Only those that resist get the the zombie drug.
I don't remember from DAO that Qunari children can't play. That said, they might call "playing" something else, and even "playing" can be directed for learning future roles, etc.
The fact that Sten did not say something does not necessarily mean that it didn't exist. What's worst is when something is stated clearly and is summarily ignored.
"Sex clinics" or even random sex to relieve an itch make a certain amount of sense under the Qun, it's just something to take care of so you can be more effective at your role. Is it a retcon? Maybe, but at least it makes sense according to what we know about the Qun. (Indeed, it would have been less of a retcon if this "relieving tension" thing was to be done as part of the breeding program)
Again I'm talking about the people taking Sten's word as gospel on all things Qun. NVM that he flat out says children don't play and that's very implausible.
It's also seems to happen a lot less often than you think particularly from one night stands. No crap every sexual encounter with fertile people has a chance to result in pregancy. So does protected sex with two fertile people.
This is the one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. You think people with self control can't enjoy relieving sexual tension? Are you serious right now?
I know men and women lived separately? That wasn't in question.
1. No, it only happen less if it's protected sex, which is the vast majority of sex we have now. Unprotected sex is a different story.
2. Yes. Seriously, not everyone sees sex the same way.
Again I'm talking about the people taking Sten's word as gospel on all things Qun. NVM that he flat out says children don't play and that's very implausible.
See my second post. In any case, the problem is not gospel or no gospel, the problem is giving very clear indications for how the Qun
is, and then smashing them in favor of what feels like preachiness.
They have drugs that make people into the "haitian zombie", why would they not have something that stops libido?
Non-chemical brain washing is a part of every day life under the Qun, everyone is indoctrinated into believing in the "great certainty".
Only those that resist get the the zombie drug.
I don't remember from DAO that Qunari children can't play. That said, they might call "playing" something else, and even "playing" can be directed for learning future roles, etc.
We can destroy the planet, why can't we cure the common cold? (Okay we can't destroy the planet but it should be clear where I'm going with this analogy). Being able to cure one sickness doesn't mean you can cure another.
Again the indoctrination isn't that deep. We know of Solas tale of the baker with the sugar. You think most people aren't like that?
No. Sten flat out says children don't play. (From the wiki). I believe he says they study or some crap instead.
What was that about children?
This is why taking Sten's word as some gospel on a damn 7 year old game is irritating me. Things change. Yes it's a retcon. It's not something that changes the Qunari into some cuddly religion however so I don't see the need for the gnashing at the teeth.
We can blow up the planet, why can't we cure the common cold?
Actually, we can't do either of these things. We can scorch the planet, but we are nowhere near capable of blowing it up.
Actually, we can't do either of these things. We can scorch the planet, but we are nowhere near capable of blowing it up.
Eh make it inhabitable. Same difference.
See my second post. In any case, the problem is not gospel or no gospel, the problem is giving very clear indications for how the Qun
is, and then smashing them in favor of what feels like preachiness.
You saying that is like say because Christianity is nothing like how a crusader from the middleages say it is means that it's wrong.
We can blow up the planet, why can't we cure the common cold?
Again the indoctrination isn't that deep. We know of Solas tale of the baker with the sugar. You think most people aren't like that?
No. Sten flat out says children don't play. (From the wiki). I believe he says they study or some crap instead.
What was that about children?
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There is some difference I think. Making a their zombies requires a rather deep understanding of how certain drugs interact with the human brain.
Drugs that kill libido are not much different really.
Regarding the children, I don't see why they can't have sorts of "directed-playing" as means of study and training.
Children don't necessarily have to play meaningless games.
Yes. And bull never said the sex clinic was random sex with random female qunari. He makes the request and the tassarins pick who he sleeps with, which could mean with someone from the Arigena or Ariqun.
The fact he has to make a request for it alone mean it's not random. They pick who he sleeps with.
No, they pick who breeds with whom.
Sex for recreational purposes is also possible and Bull´s dialog sounds like that there are professionals for this in the Qun too.
You saying that is like say because Christianity is nothing like how a crusader from the middleages say it is means that it's wrong.
The difference is that Christianity had time to develop and change dramatically since the middle ages, and a crushing majority of the christians do not think that is a good idea to go back to the way things were then.
The Qun on the other hand didn't have any time to change since we heard about it last time.
There is some difference I think. Making a their zombies requires a rather deep understanding of how certain drugs interact with the human brain.
Drugs that kill libido are not much different really.
Regarding the children, I don't see why they can't have sorts of "directed-playing" as means of study and training.
Children don't necessarily have to play meaningless games.
Not really? The zombie state pretty much destroys the mind. It's a lot easier to simply break something than to modify it. They can't do anything as a laborer except basic labor. They have to be helped with everything else. (even to eat and dress apparently).
Again he said didn't play period. If we're going to act like Sten is master on all things Qunari instead of just one person who knows some of the Qun and has his own biases put on it his word is law. And that means no play.
Or we could be reasonable people realize yeah it was probably changed but that's what lore does from it's early stages.
No, they pick who breeds with whom.
Sex for recreational purposes is also possible and Bull´s dialog sounds like that there are professionals for this in the Qun too.
Not really. The qunari waste nothing. Why would they not use this with the breeding program. It's not even random sex. Who sleeps with who is even picked for the people involed. It's requested not a random drop in.
Iron Bull says the Tamassrans choose who they breed with and refine traits in them like dogs, and unless you think male Qunari only get aroused at the prospect of impregnating a compatible female at the correct time then yes it's random.
Yes, and he also says that it's the Tamassrans that are used as sex partners. Maybe they do it not random, but choose one Tamassran that is compatible and use them to potentially conceive desired children. Otherwise, since they apparently act as both, midwifes and educators, I believe they know how to prevent pregnancy.
The difference is that Christianity had time to develop and change dramatically since the middle ages, and a crushing majority of the christians do not think that is a good idea to go back to the way things were then.
The Qun on the other hand didn't have any time to change since we heard about it last time.
Even at the time there was a difference of what a crusader though Christianity was and what the priest thought it was. In fact the entire reason the crusades happen was to get the majority warriors who converted to Christianity out of europe because they did not get the fact they were suppose to be non violent and used them as a means to an end. The fact that it was never lead to horrible long term consequences.
Which is my point. A priest at the time would be a pacifist, but a crusader at the time would not.
Not really? The zombie state pretty much destroys the mind. It's a lot easier to simply break something than to modify it. They can't do anything as a laborer except basic labor. They have to be helped with everything else.
Again he said didn't play period. If we're going to act like Sten is master on all things Qunari instead of just one person who knows some of the Qun and has his own biases put on it his word is law. And that means no play.
Or we could be reasonable people realize yeah it was probably changed but that's what lore does from it's early stages.
No. If you destroy a brain entirely you can't use the person for anything.
There is a delicate balance you need to keep in order for this to work: Enough will is left for the unfortunate creatures to want to survive - or they will simply lay on the ground and not do anything until they die, but not enough will to resist. etc.
No, they pick who breeds with whom.
Sex for recreational purposes is also possible and Bull´s dialog sounds like that there are professionals for this in the Qun too.
No it's not. Really, it the sex is deliberately with out protection then it's not just for recreation. The fact it has to be requested means it not just for recreation.
Which is my point. A priest at the time would be a pacifist, but a crusader at the time would not.
You mean like the priests who saw the Spanish inquisition as a holy calling and the auto-da-fé as an appropriate punishment for the infidels?
No. If you destroy a brain entirely you can't use the person for anything.
There is a delicate balance you need to keep in order for this to work: Enough will is left for the unfortunate creatures to want to survive - or they will simply lay on the ground and not do anything until they die, but not enough will to resist. etc.
They became drooling idiots. They're pretty much broken. They can't even perform basic tasks as cleaning themselves up anymore or dressing (or most likely bathing). If the Qunari had that mastered to a science they'd be able to do those basic functions.
And that doesn't translate to being able to use chemical castration. Let alone what the side effects would be.
You mean like the ones who saw the Spanish inquisition as a holy calling and the auto-da-fé as an appropriate punishment for the infidels?
The spainsh inquistion was not part of the crusades or at the time of the crusades.In fact it was one of the long turn consequences of the church not making it a point to be christen you need to be a pacifist.
Not really. The qunari waste nothing. Why would they not use this with the breeding program. It's not even random sex. Who sleeps with who is even picked for the people involed. It's requested not a random drop in.
Well as gay guy I am no expert at breeding, but which part of it lasts for hours and leaves the guy walking funny for a day ? (Bull´s description)
Also Bull received sex training as part of his Ben Hasserat training.
Not to mention that the Qun has astronomers and musicians and is therefore not only interested in jobs who provide tangible results.
So prostitutes for tension release are perfectly in line with the Qun.
They should release an Aqun-Athlok Qunari who never before left Par Vollen via DLC. That should clear several things up.
They became drooling idiots. They're pretty much broken. They can't even perform basic tasks as cleaning themselves up anymore or dressing (or most likely bathing).
And that doesn't translate to being able to use chemical castration. Let alone what the side effects would be.
And as I said, even creating *useful* drooling idiots, takes a very delicate balance.
And if they can't perform basic tasks on order, there would be no point in keeping them.
Translate? No, but this level of sophistication indicates to me that it is certainly possible.
Yes, and he also says that it's the Tamassrans that are used as sex partners. Maybe they do it not random, but choose one Tamassran that is compatible and use them to potentially conceive desired children. Otherwise, since they apparently act as both, midwifes and educators, I believe they know how to prevent pregnancy.
Every female Qunari has to give birth, not just Tamassrans, and I was arguing against the sex clinic being part of the breeding program. Besides, how would multiple women being involved in the process as well as what sounds like sex toys be conducive at all to pregnancy?
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