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[leaguer of one]

Well as gay guy I am no expert at breeding, but which part of it lasts for hours and leaves the guy walking funny for a day ? (Bull´s description)

 

Also Bull received sex training as part of his Ben Hasserat training.

 

Not to mention that the Qun has astronomers and musicians and is therefore not only interested in jobs who provide tangible results.

 

So prostitutes for tension release are perfectly in line with the Qun.

Dude, It does not matter how long sex last any form of vaginal sex leasd to child conception if done unprotected. As I said before, it's both.

[Ryzaki]

And as I said, even creating *useful* drooling idiots, takes a very delicate balance.

And if they can't perform basic tasks on order, there would be no point in keeping them.

 

Translate? No, but this level of sophistication indicates to me that it is certainly possible.

 

the Qunari have been doing this for centuries most likely I'm sure they have breaking people down to a science. They can perform certain basic tasks (cleaning themselves however is apparently not one of them).

 

Possible sure. But that doesn't mean they can and more importantly it doesn't mean they're willing to take the risks of whatever the side effects are using it widely through their people.

[leaguer of one]

Every female Qunari has to give birth, not just Tamassrans, and I was arguing against the sex clinic being part of the breeding program. Besides, how would multiple women being involved in the process as well as what sounds like sex toys be conducive at all to pregnancy?

Or with Bull being part of the Ariqun he only had sex with the woman from the Ariqun.

 

Added with the fact he needs to request it and they pick who he sleeps with.

[Laughing_Man]

The spainsh inquistion was not part of the crusades or at the time of the crusades.In fact it was one of the long turn consequences of the church not making it a point to be christen you need to be a pacifist.

 

Maybe, but I don't believe that the priesthood was truly against the crusades either, I'm not a history buff but IIRC I think that the crusades were approved and even encouraged by the church in many cases.

 

In any case that has very little to do with the topic of this thread. This is not about a difference in philosophy but rather an inconsistency in something very basic that every Qunari is likely to encounter on way or the other.

[Wittand25]

No it's not. Really, it the sex is deliberately with out protection then it's not just for recreation. The fact it has to be requested means it not just for recreation.

And who says that all sex is without protection ?

 

Bull straight out says that under Qun if the tension has become too high for you you seek out a professional to get the relief you need.

 

P.S One also has to request sex with a prostitute, but that does not mean you will try to produce a child during the session.

[leaguer of one]

Maybe, but I don't believe that the priesthood was truly against the crusades either, I'm not a history buff but IIRC I think that the crusades were approved and even encouraged by the church in many cases.

 

In any case that has very little to do with the topic of this thread. This is not about a difference in philosophy but rather an inconsistency in something very basic that every Qunari is likely to encounter on way or the other.

The first thing you're going to learn about studying and understanding religion is that there is always going to be  a difference of philosophy, even among the people of the same sect. You have to not you using detail of the qun from a guy who only sees it in one way and perspective. He lived it but he does not see all of it.

[Laughing_Man]

the Qunari have been doing this for centuries most likely I'm sure they have breaking people down to a science. They can perform certain basic tasks (cleaning themselves however is apparently not one of them).

 

Possible sure. But that doesn't mean they can and more importantly it doesn't mean they're willing to take the risks of whatever the side effects are using it widely through their people.

 

This is not merely "breaking people" through psychological or physical torture, this is a magic drug that does it in one stroke.

I don't think you really appreciate how advanced that feat is, hell, even today there are no known drugs that can act as swiftly and as precisely.

 

Side effects are something you can solve if happiness is a non-issue next to the glory of the Qun.

 

All I'm saying is, I don't think that any kind of retcon was *truly* necessary here.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The first thing you're going to learn about studying and understanding religion is that there is always going to be  a difference of philosophy, even among the people of the same sect. You have to not you using detail of the qun from a guy who only sees it in one way and perspective. He lived it but he does not see all of it.

This doesn't apply to the Qun because the Qun is purely about collectivism and not individualism. There is no room for interpretation among the followers. Anyone who does is sent to be reeducated, turned into a mindless laborer, or killed. 

[Ryzaki]

This is not merely "breaking people" through psychological or physical torture, this is a magic drug that does it in one stroke.

I don't think you really appreciate how advanced that feat is, hell, even today there are no known drugs that can act as swiftly and as precisely.

 

Side effects are something you can solve if happiness is a non-issue next to the glory of the Qun.

 

All I'm saying is, I don't think that any kind of retcon was *truly* necessary here.

 

You just said the key word as to why it doesn't exist today.

 

Probably because it's magic.

 

The whole point of the breeding is for certain traits to be brought to the forefront. Side effects that effect that would be a very big deal.

 

Which is fine. But it's done and it's not even the first qunari retcon which is why I'm baffled.

[Laughing_Man]

The first thing you're going to learn about studying and understanding religion is that there is always going to be  a difference of philosophy, even among the people of the same sect. You have to not you using detail of the qun from a guy who only sees it in one way and perspective. He lived it but he does not see all of it.

 

Trust me, I know all about that. I don't need to learn about what I lived through.

 

That said, this is not about a difference in philosophy but very basic facts of everyday life under the Qun.

[leaguer of one]

And who says that all sex is without protection ?

 

Bull straight out says that under Qun if the tension has become too high for you you seek out a professional to get the relief you need.

 

P.S One also has to request sex with a prostitute, but that does not mean you will try to produce a child during the session.

Sure, and the person is picked out for you. The guy is just there to give the sperm, he's not going to have a concern if the woman get pregnant.  But Bull only sees thing on the guys end, not the woman's. He has no idea what her intentions are in the meeting. Added in the fact i'st unprotected sex with a woman who's job is to raise and teach kid. To do that it helps to have the kid first.

[leaguer of one]

This doesn't apply to the Qun because the Qun is purely about collectivism and not individualism. There is no room for interpretation among the followers. Anyone who does is sent to be reeducated, turned into a mindless laborer, or killed. 

*Looks at Talis

*Looks at the Arshok in DA2

*Looks at Sten in dao and his reaction to what the Arshok did in da2.

 

Yes, it does apply. Each arm of the qun is taught different thing for goodness sake. They are not going to branch  out to different sect but each arm sees the qun is a different way from the other.

[leaguer of one]

 

That said, this is not about a difference in philosophy but very basic facts of everyday life under the Qun.

And that different  from person to person with each arm of the qun. There is no way they are going to see the qun the same way. They are all taught differently form one another.

[Laughing_Man]

You just said the key word as to why it doesn't exist today.

 

Probably because it's magic.

 

The whole point of the breeding is for certain traits to be brought to the forefront. Side effects that effect that would be a very big deal.

 

Which is fine. But it's done and it's not even the first qunari retcon which is why I'm baffled.

 

This is the Qun we are talking about, and the only magic this effective at breaking minds is blood-magic according to what we know.

No. The Qun is clearly all about technology, not magic.

 

My point still stands, retcons were not truly needed. There is nothing wrong in respecting the lore you created and the people who enjoyed finding out about it.

 

When you have no other choice it's one thing, but I don't see lack of choice here.

[Arakiel12409]

Every female Qunari has to give birth, not just Tamassrans, and I was arguing against the sex clinic being part of the breeding program. Besides, how would multiple women being involved in the process as well as what sounds like sex toys be conducive at all to pregnancy?

Then I misread and apologize.

 

However, for "letting off steam", it seems that only tamassrans are used. Bull mentions only them, not other Qunari that are assigned to this. The breeding program is then- like you deduced-  probably something else entirely (although I could imagine that if a tamassrans superiors demand that she mates with a certain Qunari, they would use the intercourse directly). But we lack sufficient information on their program, so most of it is speculation anyway.

[Laughing_Man]

And that different  from person to person with each arm of the qun. There is no way they are going to see the qun the same way. They are all taught differently form one another.

 

But they can all look around them and tell if there is more than one biological gender in certain roles, or if there are exceptions to the gender rules.

You don't have to be a priest to know that.

[leaguer of one]

Then I misread and apologize.

 

However, for "letting off steam", it seems that only tamassrans are used. Bull mentions only them, not other Qunari that are assigned to this. The breeding program is then- like you deduced-  probably something else entirely (although I could imagine that if a tamassrans superiors demand that she mates with a certain Qunari, they would use the intercourse directly). But we lack sufficient information on their program, so most of it is speculation anyway.

Note that these woman are poth of the arm that raises and teach children. They need to have the child first to do that.

[leaguer of one]

But they can all look around them and tell if there is more than one biological gender in certain roles, or if there are exceptions to the gender rules.

You don't have to be a priest to know that.

They make it the point the body is unimportant with a persons identity. All that matters is role and duty.

[Ryzaki]

This is the Qun we are talking about, and the only magic this effective at breaking minds is blood-magic according to what we know.

No. The Qun is clearly all about technology, not magic.

 

My point still stands, retcons were not truly needed. There is nothing wrong in respecting the lore you created and the people who enjoyed finding out about it.

 

When you have no other choice it's one thing, but I don't see lack of choice here.

 

The Qun uses whatever will get the job done. They will use magic if it suits their purposes.

 

Plenty of the retcons we already have were not needed. They happened though.

 

They wanted to expand their lore. They do have a right to do that considering it's their lore.

[Laughing_Man]

They make it the point the body is unimportant with a persons identity. All that matters is role and duty.

 

Unimportant? they are soldiers, they note physical characteristics in people they see as part of their job.

 

Scratch that. They still have reproductive urges, no matter how repressed. Are they blind? Can't they see if there are bewbs around or not?

[leaguer of one]

Unimportant? they are soldiers, they note physical characteristics in people they see as part of their job.

 

Scratch that. They still have reproductive urges, no matter how repressed. Are they blind? Can't they see if there are bewbs around or not?

The qun is all about self control. Added, there's armor over those boobs.

[Laughing_Man]

The Qun uses whatever will get the job done. They will use magic if it suits their purposes.

 

Plenty of the retcons we already have were not needed. They happened though.

 

They wanted to expand their lore. They do have a right to do that considering it's their lore.

 

No it won't, that's the reason their mages are not really trained, and they hate magic with passion.

Magic is Tavinter's game, not the Qunari.

 

Expanding the lore is great, especially while respecting the existing lore.

[Ryzaki]

No it won't, that's the reason their mages are not really trained, and they hate magic with passion.

Magic is Tavinter's game, not the Qunari.

 

Expanding the lore is great, especially while respecting the existing lore.

 

Remember Bull also says they use the Saarebas when necessary. (Not to mention you see this in DA2 anyway). The will use magic when it suits them. There is no denying this. They might not use it to excess like Tevinter no. But the Saarebas are used. Or did you miss Hawke having Meredith save his/her ass in act 2?

 

And that doesn't always happen.

[Laughing_Man]

The qun is all about self control. Added, there's armor over those boobs.

 

Are you talking about the bare-chested muscle-bound sausage-fest that is the Qunari army?

Even if some divisions wear armor, they need to clean and maintain it from time to time. Come on, be realistic.

[Laughing_Man]

Remember Bull also says they use the Saarebas when necessary. (Not to mention you see this in DA2 anyway). The will use magic when it suits them. There is no denying this. They might not use it to excess like Tevinter no. But the Saarebas are used. Or did you miss Hawke having Meredith save his/her ass in act 2?

 

And that doesn't always happen.

 

Sigh. I never claimed otherwise.

 

But Saarebas are not an example of the Qunari "using every advantage". The lore clearly states that they are little more than barely trained attack dogs, all brute force and no finesse. Qunari are the worst Manaphobes of thedas, that is a fact. I'm astonished that I need to tell this to someone who writes on these forums.