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[Rawgrim]

Death is how you lose in all Bioware games. There is no alive but failed state.

I must have forgotten Loghain's assassins unless they are just generic bad guys along the road type stuff -- oh wait, those people who greet you outside of Orzammar are his aren't they? Nasty fight that was.

Still he has one plan that you are trying to foil in game Eamon, and even there most of the hassle in that effort isn't directed by him or his minions -- actually in terms of the undead and ashes he isn't responsible for resisting you in either. He has nothing to do with elves, dwarves (past the gate), or Mages. You face him or his actual minions in Howe's estate and at the Landsmeet. With Cory you are contending directly with his efforts. You are stopping him from raising an army of demons. You are stopping him from overthrowing Orlais. You are stopping him from wiping out the inquisition. You stop him at the pool of Mythal. Those are all direct battles versus his actions. Furthermore, a lot of the side quests are about battling his minions in the Venatori or Red Templars where you can see how orders and directions have come down from him in notes and journals. Toss in all the war table missions that reflect the inquisition struggling with Cory and his forces. I actually felt a lot more personally "challenged" by Cory than by a lot of Bioware's foes.

 

No he has more plans than just getting rid of Eamon. He gets rid of Eamon because he wants full power over Ferelden.

He recognizes that the player is a threat to that, and he takes actions to make sure the player fails.

 

Loghain isn't the main villain in the game, he is one of the antagonists. Cory, however, is the main one, an he does nothing to get rid of the threat to his plans. He shows up at Haven and causes some problems. After that he just doesn't give a crap when the Inquisitor starts picking his plans apart. He just sits there and accepts it. He doesn't react. That is the problem with him. The Venatori and the Red Templars are in place before the Inquisition has even started. He doesn't use them to fight back or anything like that.

[Sidney]

No he has more plans than just getting rid of Eamon. He gets rid of Eamon because he wants full power over Ferelden.

He recognizes that the player is a threat to that, and he takes actions to make sure the player fails.

 

Loghain isn't the main villain in the game, he is one of the antagonists. Cory, however, is the main one, an he does nothing to get rid of the threat to his plans. He shows up at Haven and causes some problems. After that he just doesn't give a crap when the Inquisitor starts picking his plans apart. He just sits there and accepts it. He doesn't react. That is the problem with him. The Venatori and the Red Templars are in place before the Inquisition has even started. He doesn't use them to fight back or anything like that.

 

 

I know he has the plan to run Ferelden but Eamon is the only thing you see him doing to achieve that end and that isn't even done to you, to get back to your point. You say he does stuff to stop you but other than a few assassins in  the Frostbacks you don't see him trying to stop you OR doing anything to actively achieve his ends. Even the Pearl ambush isn't directed at you but at general Warden Sympathizers you are a happy accident.  I'd say Haven is a bigger effort to stop you than the Frostback Assassins. In game, they keep making a point to talk about how Skyhold is strong and an attack would be impossible (at last very risky but the idea of the siege seems insanely easy but I will give Bioware a pass since they appear to have zero idea what fortresses are and how they work) so Cory's move is to going to play offense not defense -- and of course like all Bioware villains he assume you are just not that big a threat (tired cliche that is). Other than a few regions, the main threat is from his people or their actions/actors. I'm not saying he's a particularly good villain, he's not bad just not leap off the screen notably, but in terms of Bioware baddies he is a pretty active one in terms of you trying to stop him and his actions directly.

[Rawgrim]

I know he has the plan to run Ferelden but Eamon is the only thing you see him doing to achieve that end and that isn't even done to you, to get back to your point. You say he does stuff to stop you but other than a few assassins in  the Frostbacks you don't see him trying to stop you OR doing anything to actively achieve his ends. Even the Pearl ambush isn't directed at you but at general Warden Sympathizers you are a happy accident.  I'd say Haven is a bigger effort to stop you than the Frostback Assassins. In game, they keep making a point to talk about how Skyhold is strong and an attack would be impossible (at last very risky but the idea of the siege seems insanely easy but I will give Bioware a pass since they appear to have zero idea what fortresses are and how they work) so Cory's move is to going to play offense not defense -- and of course like all Bioware villains he assume you are just not that big a threat (tired cliche that is). Other than a few regions, the main threat is from his people or their actions/actors. I'm not saying he's a particularly good villain, he's not bad just not leap off the screen notably, but in terms of Bioware baddies he is a pretty active one in terms of you trying to stop him and his actions directly.

 

He BETRAYS the wardens during the Ostagar battle. They get wiped out, and you + Alistair are left for dead. If that isn't done too you I don't know what is. After that he sends assassins after you because you are a witness to the whole thing. And yes, he does other things than just send some assassins to the Frostbacks. Missed Zevran, did you? He hired the Antivan Crows to take you out. The top assassins in Thedas. There are posters all ovr Denerim as well, about Wardens having betrayed the King etc. Nice bit of propaganda going on there. He has outlawed the Wardens.

 

The Haven attack is the introduction of the badguy. It is not something Cory does to counter your actions towards him. He does it to get that Mark you have on your hand. Once you escape, he does nothing. Just sits there and watches you pick every plan he has laid apart. Loghain didn't. He sent assassins after you outlawed you, even had you captured and imprisoned at one point. And Loghain isn't even the main villain. He is just a side-villain, really, and ten times more active than the main villain in this game.

[Sidney]

He BETRAYS the wardens during the Ostagar battle. They get wiped out, and you + Alistair are left for dead. If that isn't done too you I don't know what is. After that he sends assassins after you because you are a witness to the whole thing. And yes, he does other things than just send some assassins to the Frostbacks. Missed Zevran, did you? He hired the Antivan Crows to take you out. The top assassins in Thedas. There are posters all ovr Denerim as well, about Wardens having betrayed the King etc. Nice bit of propaganda going on there. He has outlawed the Wardens.

 

The Haven attack is the introduction of the badguy. It is not something Cory does to counter your actions towards him. He does it to get that Mark you have on your hand. Once you escape, he does nothing. Just sits there and watches you pick every plan he has laid apart. Loghain didn't. He sent assassins after you outlawed you, even had you captured and imprisoned at one point. And Loghain isn't even the main villain. He is just a side-villain, really, and ten times more active than the main villain in this game.

 

 

Ok, yeah truthfully I forgot why I had Zev....Ostagar, c'mon that hardly rises to the level of attacking you, if you want to use that then call what Cory does at the Temple an attack on you. In both cases, your PC is a minor character that the bad guy has no reason to personally care about. You are, at best, collateral. I'm not sure using "posters" is what I would call decisive action against my PC. He outlawed the Wardens but really that had no effect in the game since no one seemed to care.

 

The really odd thing here is that you see posters as "active" but attacking your home base with a dragon, army and super wizard to rip a magical MacGuffin out of your hand (and I'm guess my survival isn't important in that process) to further his plan while crushing your army and movement in the same stroke is "just an introduction". I get it, you didn't like the game and so EVERYTHING has to be wrong with it. Good, I'm done.

[Rizilliant]

DA 2 and Inquisition's combat is a heck of a lot more fun than DA O's slow paced auto-attack combat was, it just lacks tactics is all. Even Dragon Age 2 had tactics..sigh. 

 

ME 1 had problems bud, it wasn't perfect. ME 1 was the only one out of the 3 where stuff like your companions standing there shooting the wall would happen and other things. 2 and 3 seemed a little more realistic too since they made you have ammo instead of infinite ammo in ME 1. Only thing you had to do in 1 was make sure your gun didn't overheat

A good rpg is FAR more than combat.. Combat plays a very small part in well made rpgs.. You have the action genre for the games you seem to enjoy!

 

Mass Effect 1, was a good rpg, in 2007... Its followers were slightly less, with alot more action, 3rd person shooting... I know full well the games.. Ive bought and played every single one of them, when they released.. I judge them on their own merrits, at the time they were created, unlike so many today.. Who play a 5,6,7,-10 yr old game, and claim its garbage by todays standard... 

 

In a time where intergalactic travel, Mass Relays, and super advanced alien species were a norm, i would think a firearm with limitations of "ammo" archaic.. Not to mention, youre using "realistic" as a basis in a game, that is about millenia of wipign out all civilization repeatedly, alien love affairs, and revival from death, with "Biotic" magical powers, and complaining about a weapon with a nuclear core as "too much"?

[Rizilliant]

If you die in Origins, you actually win - you defeat the archdemon.  It's really just one way to win the game, either that or dark ritual.

My Sword & board Dwarf Noble Warrior is alive and kicking to this day! In over a dozen completions of Origins, i have only died in a handful, or so...

[TheOgre]

Exploration and Characters seem rather high...

 

Story 6/10. Combat 2/10. Characters 10/10. Exploration 10/10. Replay value 3/10. Quests 4/10. Roleplaying 4/10.

 

39/70

 

Rawgrim, on 16 Jan 2015 - 09:04 AM, said:

He BETRAYS the wardens during the Ostagar battle. They get wiped out, and you + Alistair are left for dead. If that isn't done too you I don't know what is. After that he sends assassins after you because you are a witness to the whole thing. And yes, he does other things than just send some assassins to the Frostbacks. Missed Zevran, did you? He hired the Antivan Crows to take you out. The top assassins in Thedas. There are posters all ovr Denerim as well, about Wardens having betrayed the King etc. Nice bit of propaganda going on there. He has outlawed the Wardens.

 

 

The above quote? THIS is villain quality right here, no matter what his intent was. Cory, by all stretches, was rather passive. I read the guy below your post rawrgrim, still don't quite see Cory as anything but a generic boss. Even the final fight was lacking. I felt more badass taking down Loghain at the lands meet than 'saving the world' >.>.

[Rawgrim]

 

Exploration and Characters seem rather high...

 

 

 

The above quote? THIS is villain quality right here, no matter what his intent was. Cory, by all stretches, was rather passive. I read the guy below your post rawrgrim, still don't quite see Cory as anything but a generic boss. Even the final fight was lacking. I felt more badass taking down Loghain at the lands meet than 'saving the world' >.>.

 

 

I know. It felt great taking down Loghain, not jsut because he had been a constant threat. But because he also fit so very well into the story. In a way I felt a bit guilty for taking him down as well. He was a superb character, and I could understand why he did what he did. There were so many layers and dimensions to Loghain. Cory has nothing. Looks ugly and he wants to take over the world because he thinks he is a god. That's it. Loghain is arguably the best antagonist Bioware has written since...Irenicus in BG2, I'd say.

[Rawgrim]

Ok, yeah truthfully I forgot why I had Zev....Ostagar, c'mon that hardly rises to the level of attacking you, if you want to use that then call what Cory does at the Temple an attack on you. In both cases, your PC is a minor character that the bad guy has no reason to personally care about. You are, at best, collateral. I'm not sure using "posters" is what I would call decisive action against my PC. He outlawed the Wardens but really that had no effect in the game since no one seemed to care.

 

The really odd thing here is that you see posters as "active" but attacking your home base with a dragon, army and super wizard to rip a magical MacGuffin out of your hand (and I'm guess my survival isn't important in that process) to further his plan while crushing your army and movement in the same stroke is "just an introduction". I get it, you didn't like the game and so EVERYTHING has to be wrong with it. Good, I'm done.

 

Betraying you and leaving you for the darkspawn isn't an attack on you? Or personally hire a top assassin to kill you isn't and attack on you?

 

Yes. What Cory does at the Temple is an attack. Said that plenty of times. He attacks you during his intro. after that he does nothing at all.

 

Yeah....I hate everything about the game, which is why I gave the characters and the exploration a 10 out of 10. At least try to read what is actually being said, before you post.

[TheOgre]

I know. It felt great taking down Loghain, not jsut because he had been a constant threat. But because he also fit so very well into the story. In a way I felt a bit guilty for taking him down as well. He was a superb character, and I could understand why he did what he did. There were so many layers and dimensions to Loghain. Cory has nothing. Looks ugly and he wants to take over the world because he thinks he is a god. That's it. Loghain is arguably the best antagonist Bioware has written since...Irenicus in BG2, I'd say.

 

I hope if they do a DA4, they have a much more villain-esque villain than Cory, something more like Loghain but not a complete copy.

[Rawgrim]

I hope if they do a DA4, they have a much more villain-esque villain than Cory, something more like Loghain but not a complete copy.

 

They won't. There won't be a DA4. The next one will be an mmo, and after that one the franchise will be dead.

[Bioware-Critic]

Story 6/10. Combat 2/10. Characters 10/10. Exploration 10/10. Replay value 3/10. Quests 4/10. Roleplaying 4/10.

 

39/70

 

You nailed it - thank you!

 

Although, while I am at it ...

 

Story: 5/10 Not enough (story-arcs and main-) story in it. Some parts are good some very disapointing ... most of 'em lacking immensly!

Combat: 2/10 (Like I said - you nailed it!) The combat is ... lol ... lol ... I cannot finish this sentence

Characters: 9/10 I simply have to explore them some more. But I like them so far.

Exploration: 6.5/10 Incredibly beautiful world! I have no words. A fantasy-fans dream! But it feels empty and repetitive most of the time.

Replay value: 2/10 It is so frustrating to me as I was hoping for DA:O-2 and got DA2-2.0  I really tried replaying it but had the same frustrations!

Quests: 2/10 I really did not like the quests. I simply had no fun. The harsh rating comes from the ... "grinding" - It kills DA for me!

Roleplaying: 7/10 I liked many scenes and many animations and the overall presentation a lot.

 

33,5/70 ~ 50% ... that's a "F"or something ... or 47% or a 5/10 rating. Not really stellar - not at all!

Pretty bad for a DA game. For me the combat killed all of it together with the reduced complexity.

 

If they would fix it ... I would love to give 'em a 9/10 rating and make it my favorite DA title But that won't happen - I guess.

[DanniloSan]

"Dragon age Inquisition is the BIGGEST Dragon Age Game..."

But it's also the dumbest...I agree with you,I'm tired to see my Mages atacking at close range,my archers too,my warrios standing on fire to die and my party ignoring my orders,even my mount ignore me sometimes...They have no Respect for the Inquisitor...Damn...