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[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

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...for making worst and most frustrating puzzles in quest "What pride had wrought"! Big thank you on puzzles that even with hundreds of walktroughs and videos is still nightmare to get it done because many time stupid puzzle goes crazy and resets even for no reason when I haven't even stepped anywhere.And when I finally got it done...oh yeah I had to window my game and look at youtube video while playing by the way to get it done...only once I got it done to get disapproval points from everyone! Not to mention the part that actually solving all these puzzles has no big impact on quest at all except just being frustrating. So big thank you because I just wasted 3h solving this sh*t only to discover I gain nothing except disapproval from everyone! 

[Dubya75]

If you do not have the capacity to solve difficult puzzles, that really isn't anyone's problem but your own. There are others who enjoy the puzzles. And some even find it easy to solve.

What do you expect, for Bioware to dumb down the game to the point that you no longer have any challenge? Because if you don't complain about puzzles being too hard, someone else is going to complain about combat being too hard on Casual setting. There is no pleasing everyone.

 

Also, blaming Bioware for wasting your time is absolute nonsense. They did not force you to play the game to begin with. In fact, playing games is a waste of time to start with if you want to go that route.

[Terodil]

I think you're being a bit unfair there Dubya.

 

I experienced similar frustration with the puzzle -- not because it was hard from a design perspective, but because it was insanely volatile, often resetting for no apparent reason. It could have been done better without changing the difficulty or nature of the puzzle itself (which I welcomed as a much appreciated breather from the far too combat-centric and otherwise straight-forward DA:I).

 

I, too, was miffed at the approval rating changes in that temple, to me they seemed ill prepared and somewhat arbitrary. Why some companions (Cassandra, for example) would prefer wholesale slaughter of neutral-ish guards to simply spending a little time respecting an ancient access ritual with no obvious sinister consequences was beyond me.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

you... don't have to solve that puzzle. besides... doing heathen rituals is generally not a cool thing to do for a chantry supporter. i do feel that particular puzzle is a bit weird (what finding hamiltonian path has to do with the story?!) -  jug ritual from DA:O was way more in place.

[Hair Serious Business]

You've actually completed puzzles? loloolololololol

My big 'Deepest Condolences' to you xD

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Er. Were those puzzles difficult?..

Just, er, you know - it's dead simple 'filler puzzle' with just 1 rule - don't step the cells you've already activated.

 

3 hours?

Oh.

 

I'm frustrated now..

[Nykara]

I honestly had no problem with the puzzle at all - you just had to know that as soon as you stepped off the platforms in the wrong places ( only certain places you could step off it successfully ) then it doesn't reset at all. It took only a few attempts, as soon as I figured where not to step off it stopped resetting and was easily done.

[Terodil]

Cassandra supports the chantry, but she does not strike me as a person who would unblinkingly wipe out the last remnant of an ancient order of elves dedicated to simply protecting their holy grounds.

 

The puzzle resets even if you don't step on previously activated tiles. I could not discern a pattern, but it was a significant problem for me too (I can't put the time it cost me in here since I didn't measure it, but it was decidedly annoying).

[Hair Serious Business]

Er. Were those puzzles difficult?..

Just, er, you know - it's dead simple 'filler puzzle' with just 1 rule - don't step the cells you've already activated.

 

3 hours?

Oh.

 

I'm frustrated now..

Actually I recall it went "reset for no reason even without me not stepping on ones I was" or "even when I do it right it still resets at part that it didn't reset before?" that is why I personally never bothered with it lol

Still after finding out now that I gain nothing important for doing them I think now more then ever I won't ever bother doing these xD

[In Exile]

I think you're being a bit unfair there Dubya.

I experienced similar frustration with the puzzle -- not because it was hard from a design perspective, but because it was insanely volatile, often resetting for no apparent reason. It could have been done better without changing the difficulty or nature of the puzzle itself (which I welcomed as a much appreciated breather from the far too combat-centric and otherwise straight-forward DA:I).

I, too, was miffed at the approval rating changes in that temple, to me they seemed ill prepared and somewhat arbitrary. Why some companions (Cassandra, for example) would prefer wholesale slaughter of neutral-ish guards to simply spending a little time respecting an ancient access ritual with no obvious sinister consequences was beyond me.

Blatantly committing heresy is obviously not OK with Cassandra. Why would you expect otherwise?

[In Exile]

Actually I recall it went "reset for no reason even without me not stepping on ones I was" or "even when I do it right it still resets at part that it didn't reset before?" that is why I personally never bothered with it lol
Still after finding out now that I gain nothing important for doing them I think now more then ever I won't ever bother doing these xD

It also resets if you leave the puzzle area or try to jump over a tile.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Actually I recall it went "reset for no reason even without me not stepping on ones I was" or "even when I do it right it still resets at part that it didn't reset before?" that is why I personally never bothered with it lol

Still after finding out now that I gain nothing important for doing them I think now more then ever I won't ever bother doing these xD

Well you heard the devs - "Your choices matter".

 

Oh. They don't?

 

You must be not doing something right *sarcastic giggles*

[Lord Raijin]

Bioware certainly does a good job making their costumers feel incredibly stupid with all of these complicated puzzles.... From Morrigan's dumb ritual (geeze how many rituals does this woman have? First she wants my son away from her dark ritual, and now this? I don't trust her!) to the Astrarium puzzles.

[Hair Serious Business]

Still not doing it especially if it serves for nothing!

Big waste of time and as I said once I will say again OP you have me most deepest condolences for actually doing it lol

[Terodil]

Blatantly committing heresy is obviously not OK with Cassandra. Why would you expect otherwise?

 

She's not some blind religious zealot. Conversation with her paints her as a strongly religious person, very much connected with the Andrastian belief and the Chantry, but also as a person who wants to save innocent people, regardless of their race or belief. This latter part becomes stronger, not weaker, as her character develops in DA:I. It's also pretty visible if you play an elf who stands by her own gods. Cassandra will accept it, not bash your skull in with her sword for "speaking heresy".

 

Killing innocent elves who happen to guard what she wants, simply out of convenience, would turn her into a thug. Remember Roderick accusing of being such, and how much she was annoyed by it? She actively tries NOT to be a thug, even if her temper sometimes gets the better of her. And it's not like the Inquisitor is defiling Andraste's ashes.

 

So why would I expect otherwise? Because it's completely anathema to everything we see in-game about Cassandra, even more so at the conclusion of the story.

[In Exile]

She's not some blind religious zealot. Conversation with her paints her as a strongly religious person, very much connected with the Andrastian belief and the Chantry, but also as a person who wants to save innocent people, regardless of their race or belief. This latter part becomes stronger, not weaker, as her character develops in DA:I. It's also pretty visible if you play an elf who stands by her own gods. Cassandra will accept it, not bash your skull in with her sword for "speaking heresy".

Killing innocent elves who happen to guard what she wants, simply out of convenience, would turn her into a thug. Remember Roderick accusing of being such, and how much she was annoyed by it? She actively tries NOT to be a thug, even if her temper sometimes gets the better of her. And it's not like the Inquisitor is defiling Andraste's ashes.

So why would I expect otherwise? Because it's completely anathema to everything we see in-game about Cassandra, even more so at the conclusion of the story.

Cassandra is very much ends justify the means. She favours allowing Celene to die so that Gaspard can usurp the Crown because she believes that - regardless of his purges - he will be the better ruler. She thinks the ritual is heresy and that it is wasting time from the true goal: stopping Corypheus at all costs. While she is willing to tolerate heresy for the sake of the end goal she is not willing to tolerate it otherwise.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

She's not some blind religious zealot. Conversation with her paints her as a strongly religious person, very much connected with the Andrastian belief and the Chantry, but also as a person who wants to save innocent people, regardless of their race or belief. This latter part becomes stronger, not weaker, as her character develops in DA:I. It's also pretty visible if you play an elf who stands by her own gods. Cassandra will accept it, not bash your skull in with her sword.

 

Killing innocent elves who happen to guard what she wants out of convenience would turn her into a thug. Remember Roderick accusing of being such, and how much she was annoyed by it? She actively tries NOT to be a thug, even if her temper sometimes gets the better of her. And it's not like the Inquisitor is defiling Andraste's ashes.

 

So why would I expect otherwise? Because it's completely anathema to everything we see in-game about Cassandra, even more so at the conclusion of the story.

well, there's no reason to think you will be attacked by the elves by not performing the rituals at that point. it's more like a 'go after him/her. NAO' moment (and that's Cass - immediate action, think on your feet) than 'hey, let's honor the elven god, just in case there are some people who might take offense'

 

not sure what happens if inq jumps into the hole instead tho

[Hair Serious Business]

Attention please to all PC users that have trouble with this lol

 

I had to reload one of my saves to try to solve this stuff and here is what is problem apparently many times as we know titles reset for no reason even when you didn't stepped on them(seems some issue on PC version) anyway no matter to solve this problem and make this the easiest puzzle in world move with tactical camera and it's not joke! Then titles won't reset for no reason,puzzle will be simple as it is ment to be just don't step one one you already stepped before and do it all in tactical camera it works!

So all who wish to waste their time on these puzzle but have titles reset for no reason just move your Inquisitor with tactical camera.

Hope this trick helps to all of you have a nice day with less rage

[Vader20]

Do you get good loot if you do the astrariums ?

 

 I agree with the fact that in this game you do a lot of things that serve for nothing. Collecting the shards is a real chore and you don't get much either. The resistance bonuses are nice, but you can live without them unless you are maybe on nightmare.

 

Morrigans puzzles are really easy to do. You just have to think a little bit.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

Do you get good loot if you do the astrariums ?

 

 I agree with the fact that in this game you do a lot of things that serve for nothing. Collecting the shards is a real chore and you don't get much either. The resistance bonuses are nice, but you can live without them unless you are maybe on nightmare.

 

Morrigans puzzles are really easy to do. You just have to think a little bit.

no, crafting is better

 

but for codex entries... it's worth it (:

[Terodil]

Well, I'd argue that the Celene vs. Gaspard situation is hardly comparable. That squabble is a total clusterf***, and if at all, there's only "slightly more messed up" and "slightly less messed up". The situation in the temple is far clearer.

 

Re: heresy. So are you saying that Cassandra would bash your skull in for believing in Elven gods if you didn't have the mark, and the only reason she accepts you in-game (because that she does!) is that she makes nice until you sort out the mess she can't? How does that fit with her calling you her friend etc.? Why would she ask you for your opinion on those issues really close to her heart (seekers) if all she saw was a damn heathen who did not even believe in the Maker? Is she lying through her teeth all that time?

 

I do get your point about urgency though, I had forgotten that and not considered it. All told, though, I would still expect Cassandra, with the goals she pursues regarding the Seekers (more balanced, PROTECTION OF INNOCENTS, no blind duty without considering the specifics etc.), and her personality development, to do more than yelling "charge" and giving minus points for trying to get there without unnecessary bloodshed.

[lichg]

I'd hardly call those puzzles.. pokemon games had tougher ones of those type.

I wouldnt give bioware the satisfaction of believing their trivial puzzles are anything of a challenge...