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[stonerbishop]

Wasn't spoiled on first playthrough, and managed to punch him in the face. Felt good after learning truth that I punched a god.

[baconluigi]

I thought he was up to something antagonistic after he showed the inquisitor skyhold

[robertthebard]

Sure it's suspicious but I think it's abit of a stretch to automatically assume that he's related to your own (if Dalish) very divine pantheon. My elf thought he may have been an original immortal elf, but divine association is a very sketchy matter. Part of what makes Divine, Divine is their absence and it seems almost heretical to assume that he would be part of that.
 
Dalish knew about Flemeth for example and never suspected she was anything other than a woman of many years. I imagine my own Dalish thought of Solas in the same way, just a man of many years but a man nonetheless.

Odd, that last bit, because I came away with a very different feeling after Flemeth talks to Merrill after the ritual. I suspected that the Dalish, at least some of them, knew quite a bit more than they were letting on.

[Petrikles]

I thought he was up to something antagonistic after he showed the inquisitor skyhold

 

Good point! My Lavellan felt similar; having just come from a harrowing experience, aquired the power of the mark, there was a distinct feeling of higher forces at play and something felt just too convenient about Solas always knowing just the thing you wanted to know.

[Kel_Shando]

Oddly enough I said to my self I wonder if he is the dread wolf after arbor forest section.  Just some of the comments he made through out the game as his reaction to the pool of sorrows and some of the banter going on.  It was just speculation but I was happy that I kinda guessed it before the end.  My only question is why did Flemth give her self up to him.  I thought she was to get revenge..

[aphelion4]

This is a bioware game meaning your PC cannot have any development and he has a IQ of 50 so he cannot inquire and piece together stuff himself. 

 

This pretty much. Having the IQ of a pencil seems to be common for player characters in BioWare games unfortunately so even if something is blatantly obvious to us, it won't be for the rather dimwitted Inquisitor. :/ It would've been nice if your Inquisitor who had the Arcane knowledge trait or something to be able to inquire more about it. The stupid Inquisitor makes sense for a Warrior, but as a Mage? Someone who is supposedly book savvy and the First in their Clan?

[Melyanna]

Good point! My Lavellan felt similar; having just come from a harrowing experience, aquired the power of the mark, there was a distinct feeling of higher forces at play and something felt just too convenient about Solas always knowing just the thing you wanted to know.

 

It does feel a little weird that he would just happen to know the right place, but at that point it didn't strike me as suspicious... I guess I am easily conned.

But then again, if I were coming from a near death experience, half frozen, with a huge demon-dragon thing chasing me, it would probably take me some time to analyze the situation and see a potential threat (so yeah, I am easily conned).

 

Oddly enough I said to my self I wonder if he is the dread wolf after arbor forest section.  Just some of the comments he made through out the game as his reaction to the pool of sorrows and some of the banter going on.  It was just speculation but I was happy that I kinda guessed it before the end.  My only question is why did Flemth give her self up to him.  I thought she was to get revenge..

 

That's clever thinking! Did you base your speculation on knowledge of the lore you had before, or was it just based on the codex pieces about Fen'Harel and elven gods we get in Inquisition?

[Patchwork]

Him referring to an artifact long before Cory shows up with one made him very suspicious but the game doesn't let you follow up on that sort of thing so it's can't fit into the Inquisitor's personal narrative especially if I'm planning to romance him. The Temple of Mythal does make ancient elf a real possibility though and I can add that in easily enough.

 

Blackwall is different I know something is off with him because of insider knowledge but the Inquisitor wasn't a Warden she doesn't know the stuff I do.

[grammagamer1]

This is a bioware game meaning your PC cannot have any development and he has a IQ of 50 so he cannot inquire and piece together stuff himself. 

Agreed.

Pre-completion and unspoiled i was suspicious after 1 too many "i saw it in the fade" bs explanations. (Solas' favorite go to answer). 

Just made me not want to ask him anything 2nd playthrough.

 

While i'm at it..why does the inquisitor have to be so naive?

Why can't he/she see through Blackwall, Solas, Varrick, Vivienne, Morrigan et.al and call them out on it? 

Maybe have Bull re-educate them if they continue to lie or evade ​ 

I think that would make for a good story option.

 

Inquisitor?? "An inquisitor was an official (usually with judicial or investigative functions)"

Seems mine couldn't inquisit her backside whereabouts with both hands

[Kel_Shando]

Well what got me thinking he could be more then anything was the Lore about dread wolf and the old elf gods from DAO and DA2 and then his comments to Sera in party banter.  To me it seemed he was a rebel tired of bickering between the old elven gods.  His comments to Sera during party banter  and his admiration to what Sera was doing as well as him trying to guide her rebellious ways to a more focused rebellion just.. well seems off for his mask he showed everyone else.  Then there was a banter when you see the wolf shrine in the temple and the exchange between him and Morrigan.  That was when the light bulb sort went off and I thought maybe he was the wolf in sheep's clothing.   

[Giantdeathrobot]

Isn't there a bit of a stretch between ''this guy is acting suspiciously'' and ''this guy is the Satan and Loki of my Pantheon!!''?

[robertthebard]

Isn't there a bit of a stretch between ''this guy is acting suspiciously'' and ''this guy is the Satan and Loki of my Pantheon!!''?

There is. But the one thing that always puzzled me was Solas' knowledge of the Orb, even though the only one that actually saw him with it at Haven was my Inquisitor.

[Precursor Meta]

He sure fooled me. Not once did I pick up the hint that he was more than what he was. I thought he was just an intelligent mage who was obsessed with the fade.

I just can't wait to see what others think of him in the next game assuming we get to speak to them.

[Gervaise]

I did know about Solas before playing and never really accepted the humble apostate who lies around in ruins and becomes so knowledgeable as a result.    Having also read Masked Empire I was convinced he was going to be an ancient elf who had either woken from uthenera or from a clan who had never died out.    Given that was exactly what the Sentinals at the Well of Sorrows appear to have been, I was still tending along those lines right up until the epilogue.   Unfortunately, because I did romance him I did take the flirt option when I was very tempted to go for something more searching.   That first time when you ask him about himself, he takes you off to the Fade and then goes on about how when you first closed the rift, everything changed for him.    The flirt option has you seeing that expression as a romantic one, which was a pity as I certainly didn't see it that way, so I'm looking forward to my next play through with a male elf who won't be distracted by love and so can go for the more searching options.  

 

People say there were clues everywhere that pointed to Fen'Harel but I'm pretty certain that I never thought that may be he was a elven god.   May be someone who thought of themselves as a follower of Fen'Harel but not the god himself.     So suspicious of his cover story and knowledge, yes, but realised he was a god, no.

[N7KnightSabre]

I never "spoiled" the game for myself.  I actually thought that his Fade explorations did give him great insight and worked as an excuse to much of what he said.  I didn't question that explanation a bit.  His sharp response to me asking him if he'd like to drink from the Well had me only pause for a moment, but I understood that to be because he didn't want to be under anyone's control, which falls very well in character with him.  I thought "Well, if Solas won't touch it, then that Mythal thing's probably real and I'm not touching it either."

 

I only got suspicious when at the end and he was distraught over the broken orb.  I was a little confused as to why it was such a bad thing, I mean I know it was an ancient artifact of the elven people but Cory had to be stopped.  He then said he had to leave and I then learned that more was going on than I thought.  The reveal at the end totally floored me and I just loved it  .  I'm glad I wasn't spoiled.

 

I still trust Solas and wouldn't change a thing when playing again, knowing what I know.  I think he was very sincere in his beliefs and I agreed with him (except on one or two things).  We were buds. (Would've been more if he wasn't race-gated  )

[frostajulie]

LMAO at myself after reading this thread.  I thouht the jawbone was a baby's foot.  I have abandoned the playthru where I romanced him because there is no explanation for it and he wears it all the time and it creeps me out.  A jawbone of an animal is much better than a baby's foot.

[Big I]

There are a few things that point to Solas keeping secrets about his background:

 

 

- in dialogue with Blackwall pre reveal he says he was involved in a war when he was younger, but is evasive about what that war was

- in dialogue with Sera he can give her advice on how to use the Friends of Red Jenny to achieve political change

- after Halamshiral he says he's reminded how much he likes court intrigue; if the Inquisitior asks when he was at court he stumbles a bit before covering himself

- in the balcony scene where Solas tells an Inquisitior he respects them he says "I have not seen such wisdom since...since my deepest walks in the Fade." The pause is clearly him covering what he was originally going to say.

 

 

From a more meta perspective, there were three things that were suspicious. The first is how easy it is to get him to like you, all you have to do is ask him questions. It's like he's intentionally building a rapport with you. The second is how he responds to Cassandra's questioning in banter, he has an answer for everything. The third is how different he is in his personal quest, angry and vengful instead of wise and calm. These things could point to him maintaining a cover and keeping his true personality hidden.

 

 

So it's probably possible to intuit that Solas was/is a spy in addition to being a mage. But it is a very long leap to then say "oh, he must be the Dread Wolf." I don't think that's possible.

[BSpud]

Upon finding Skyhold, I looked at him as the Merlin to my Queen Arthur. My faith-oriented Inq, not a mage or elf, just took his whole hedge magic/quasi self-loathing elf thing at face value and, though curious enough to ask him questions, kind of felt there were things She Was Not Meant to Understand. She was suspicious of him before Skyhold, though. He really won her trust with that one.

 

And yes, I was unspoiled and very shocked.

[TeraBat]

I was suspicious of Solas from the start. He's an elf, which means he likely only comes from two places: a city alienage or the Dalish. But he doesn't have vallaslin, so he can't be Dalish (and he's an apostate, so it's not like he was an elf sent to the Circle before he got his tattoos). And he says he comes from a small village, not an alienage. Erm, right then....?

 

And then I take him with me to the Emerald Graves, because I figure he probably has some insight. And he just hates the Dalish, for reasons I am unclear on. Like, way more than you'd expect from an alienage elf, and for very weird reasons. They're getting the past wrong? Well, that's hardly their fault, they're doing the best they can with what little they have! And he's not super into the plight of the alienage elves, either. 

 

My theory, after playing through Origins and finding the Arcane Warrior trapped in a gem, was that something like that had happened to Solas. Up until the reveal, I thought he was an elf from Arlathan, who had recently woken from uthenera or had somehow gotten himself trapped in a gem and then freed. I didn't quite buy that he knew all he did just from Fade-hopping; especially because he says the Fade is unreliable when it comes to getting objective information. 

[chr0n0mancer]

Odd, that last bit, because I came away with a very different feeling after Flemeth talks to Merrill after the ritual. I suspected that the Dalish, at least some of them, knew quite a bit more than they were letting on.

I recently replayed DA2, and Flemmeth is actually bought back to life(not sure what term to use here, it was with her amulet thing) on the shrine of Mythal, which Merrill describes as sacred to the dalish later. So I imagine your suspicions are true.

[LostInReverie19]

Yeah, I knew something was up from Solas after we got to Skyhold, and I never got spoiled. I remember asking myself..."Is he an ancient elf? That seems possible. Hmm, or maybe he has something to do with Felassan from The Masked Empire. Could he be the one that

Spoiler

killed

him?"

 

I'm not kidding you I seriously entertained the idea of him being Fen'Harel before I found out about the end. I'm not lying. I couldn't believe it when I watched that last scene. My jaw hit the floor. 

 

But yeah he kinda changes when you get to Skyhold. There are just certain comments he makes. One that stands out to me is when he doesn't realize you're grouping him with the elves, and he's all like "My people? What people? Oh, you mean the elves." I was seriously like wtf, Solas, what is going on when I heard that. lol 

[Shahadem]

I'm not sure how you could not be suspicious of Solas as soon as you start talking to him within the first few minutes of the game.

[zeypher]

Suspicion requires one to have intelligence, the one stat that we do not have. 

[Petrikles]

Thanks for all of your feedback. We kind of have consensus that there is plenty of occasion to feel suspicious that Solas is not telling everything about himself, but a connection to Fen´Harel is so highly unlikely that a conclusion like this seems too far fetched for the Inquisitor.

 

I might RP this different under two circumstances: Assuming that in a relationship you also have a lot of off-screen time with him and start to get a feeling about him, call it "Joe Black" moment. And assuming that you dring from the Well of Sorrows and learn about Solas true identity from the voices; this might happen after the ending, but is a good comfort for my Lavellan: Allright, he ditched me, but it seems he is on a greater quest or has greater obligations, which he did not divulge and not because he does not want to be with me.

 

I would slap him in his face anyways if I ever encounter him again. Hard.

[Paragonslustre]

I was not spoiled and even through I was suspicious of him, just as I was suspicious of Blackwall, I had no inkling at all that he was/is the Dread Wolf and that last scene left me absolutely gobsmacked.  I try to be good and read all the lore and pay attention to what the characters are saying but I did not see that coming.  It seems as unlikely as having Flemeth as one of your party members.  I was going to romance him in a subsequent playthrough but now I might just pee him off so I can punch him for not being honest about the Elves destroying themselves and letting me feel guilty about it for so long.