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[Bullets McDeath]

NO SPOILERS PLZ U GAIS ME NO FINISH GAME

 

So, as stated, I haven't finished the game yet, but this is something I've been thinking about it for a while. Importing the world state has never exactly gone off without a hitch in the DA series and especially as we're not playing the same character from game to game, much of what is carried over does not have a huge impact on the character or story in the game. So and so appears instead of such and such, or you get access to this side-quest or you don't. 

 

And even though the Keep is a marvel and triumph, it just kind of adds to my feeling that maybe Dragon Age should just start fresh next time. As well as the Keep works it basically admits that they can't handle this feature in-game. How much more complicated would it be the next time around, whenever that happens?

 

So, start fresh. Have a story and characters far enough removed that, even though it still takes place in Thedas and during the Dragon Age, who the King of Ferelden is and whether or not the Warden is alive or whatever, doesn't matter and never comes up. Again, I haven't finished the game so maybe this isn't remotely likely (or possible, if the world can be in vastly different states [prosperous/ruined] based on your decisions.

 

Thoughts?

[aaarcher86]

I'd prefer not.

I enjoy the references, regardless of how small. That's how they keep all the games connected together, even with a fresh protagonist.

[Shelled]

there shouldn't be a dragon age 4 after this and da2. Let it die.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I've been saying for some time that having world state imports makes the games worse (and I'm not the only one).

Needing the game to produce an importable result at the end severely limits the designers' ability to write divergent plots.

[simpatikool]

I find things like the Dragon Age Keep and the game as is perfectly acceptable.

[MikeJW]

there shouldn't be a dragon age 4 after this and da2. Let it die.

 

Don't buy the next one. There, it died for you.

 

I think they need a fresh start. When you keep adding in all the player choices it can become tangled. I'd like it to have imports but be about things that are more background favor. I'd like to see a setting in Tevinter or Antiva so they can have a fresh canvas.

[AlanC9]

I'm with Sylvius. I always thought that the series would have been better if the DR had been canon. However, I think it might be a bit late to make this change.

[Vox Draco]

I'm with Sylvius. I always thought that the series would have been better if the DR had been canon. However, I think it might be a bit late to make this change.

 

And so should be that the warden is a female cousland married to Alistair ... if you ask me ...^^ might lead to some problems in fandom I suppose

 

Yes, it can get Bioware in trouble, being tied too much to something. But really, this should be solved by simply moving ahead in time a bit more (ten to twenty years ago) + focusing on areas like tevinter and Anderfels in the next game...only minimal things/references need to be kept, and the Dragon Age Keep is kinda cool for that. A very good idea that was...

[Bullets McDeath]

Yeah, I think setting it somewhere like Tevinter or Antiva and pushing ahead another 10, 15 years would do the trick. Maybe you choose a few things, Keep-style, before play, but keep it to 3-5 BIG choices.

 

The references and continuity DO add flavor and I do appreciate them but the Keep just brought it to the forefront for me how artificial it is. Especially since we didn't really import, it feels slightly off to me, like played with a edited Gibbed save and not the real deal.

 

But either way, there comes a point where having to keep all the old continuity tangles and restricts the possibilities more than any flavor it adds. And I think we're at that point, or at least fast approaching it for Dragon Age.

[Etragorn]

Everything will be through Dragon Age Keep from this point forward, no more direct imports, ever.

 

Also, they wouldn't have built Dragon Age Keep if they didn't intend to use it in future games, so don't expect importing world states to go anywhere anytime soon.

[Bullets McDeath]

Well, that's a fair and good point. I will be sincerely un-butthurt in either scenario, but I can't help but feel like it's possibly doing more to hold the story back now than it is to enhance it.

 

At least with the Keep I won't have to re-do whole characters to circumvent bugged flags ever again...

[Unlucky 13]

I think that The Keep is here to stay, and thats a good thing.  It allows you to do a completely different world state of your choosing for a second (or more) playthrough.  To me, thats very appealing.  Especially if more of the choices we made in the keep are used in future games.  So many had no bearing in Inquisition, that I would have to think that they'll be used later on.

[Nerdage]

If it didn't, I probably wouldn't buy it, honestly.

 

The feeling of continuity is a massive part of why I'm so invested in the series, without that it's hard for me to care about any of what I'm doing in-game because it all just feels transitory. To me that would overshadow whatever benefit there is to dropping the "import baggage", which I'm not really convinced would make the game better anyway.

[SofaJockey]

It has been stated that the Keep was designed for multiple games.

So it's almost certain that imports from the Keep will apply to the next game. 

 

Which is good, it's a flexible tool cross-platform for actual and 'what-if' world states.

[Bullets McDeath]

Now that I think about it, when I was polishing my world state/tapestry in the Keep, there was an option for Inquisition after DA2 that said coming soon. So, that would seem to answer the question pretty definitively. That didn't occur to me when I wrote the OP.

[Vindicare175]

there shouldn't be a dragon age 4 after this and da2. Let it die.

 

No , if you don't like the way its going just leave and don't buy any more DA Games. Simple.

[AlanC9]

And so should be that the warden is a female cousland married to Alistair ... if you ask me ...^^ might lead to some problems in fandom I suppose

Mmm... yeah, that would have been fun.

[Arakat]

If it didn't, I probably wouldn't buy it, honestly.

 

The feeling of continuity is a massive part of why I'm so invested in the series, without that it's hard for me to care about any of what I'm doing in-game because it all just feels transitory. To me that would overshadow whatever benefit there is to dropping the "import baggage", which I'm not really convinced would make the game better anyway.

 

Same; one of the things I love about this series is that while the protagonist changes, the world is always "mine".

[Sanunes]

The problem is that no matter what BioWare does or does not do people are going to point at something and proclaim "this is the reason why I didn't like the game". Which is fine, but if BioWare does make that change people are then going to point at that change and proclaim the exact same thing.  Look at what has happened with Inquisition and trying to make it "open world".

 

Now if you want them to stop adding things to the game like save imports because it impacts the story too much I am pretty sure you will start having people saying other parts of the game are doing the exact same thing, next thing you know we are only going to be playing a while male bodybuilder who only has the option of choosing two handed warrior talents because everything else hurts the game.

[frankf43]

Not for me I like the idea of the Keep. I must admit that the Keep needs improving but I think it's the way to go.

[Jukaga]

If you look at what the keep tracks, it seems they had bigger plans for impact. Take the DAO choices for example, it tracks meaningless stuff like how you dealt with the prisoner at Ostagar, various minor things in Orzimmar and the like that never even get the slightest reference in DAI. By the time you are doing your DA2 choices, the amount of fluff you have to decide on drops dramatically and you're generally only doing the major choices, but still they have barely any impact. I really like the Keep, but for future iterations don't try to pull the wool over our eyes that it matters if I was nice or mean to generic NPC #76 and keep it limited to 10 or so big decisions that actually will have some impact.

[SirGladiator]

The keep is great, it makes every game as unique as you want it to be, you can change it up each time or keep it the same every time, and the game reacts accordingly.  Importing our choices from previous games is one of the main things that makes Bioware games unique, that's never going to change, nor should it.

[CronoDragoon]

I'm with Sylvius. I always thought that the series would have been better if the DR had been canon. However, I think it might be a bit late to make this change.

 

Just to be clear, you and Sylvius see the same issue but suggest the opposite solution? Sylvius wants divergent paths and so doesn't want continuous stories, whereas you want continuous stories with set story paths?

[robertthebard]

I'm with Sylvius. I always thought that the series would have been better if the DR had been canon. However, I think it might be a bit late to make this change.

 
 

And so should be that the warden is a female cousland married to Alistair ... if you ask me ...^^ might lead to some problems in fandom I suppose
 
Yes, it can get Bioware in trouble, being tied too much to something. But really, this should be solved by simply moving ahead in time a bit more (ten to twenty years ago) + focusing on areas like tevinter and Anderfels in the next game...only minimal things/references need to be kept, and the Dragon Age Keep is kinda cool for that. A very good idea that was...

Now see, I think it would have been better if the DR had never been added, Loghain always survives the Landsmeet, but dies to the Joining and the Warden dies defeating the Archdemon. There is no sarcasm there. It's a good thing we have the Keep, so that people can, more or less, get the story they wanted, eh? I mean, Loghain doesn't die during the Joining, so I'm hosed no matter what.