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[Linkenski]

And I'm of course talking about the DLC, Mark of The Assassin, the one with Felicia Day and wyvern hunting stuff.

 

That DLC had it all. It had a great storyline and good variation, even a stealth mechanic and such, but I just couldn't help but think when playing DA:I that the Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts mission was trying to be the part of MotA when you're at the Orlesian party, and where you had to seduce or knock out a sassy duke to steal keys and make Tallis sweet talk the guards as distraction and you even got plenty of full cutscene dialogues in it, not to mention that whole stealth section. Heck, it even had the coin tossing too.

 

Anyone else agree? I felt like Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts was a watered down version of the party from MotA and twice as long and twice as poorly written.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Well. Of sorts.

 

Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts is the only part of DA:I that is more or less original, so I just take it as it is.

It's not perfect, but hey! DA:I is so much flawed that WEaWH looks pretty nice...

[Linkenski]

But that was my entire point, that WEaWH actually isn't even original because it just mimics the DLC from DA2 in almost every aspect but feels like a watered down version instead.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

But that was my entire point, that WEaWH actually isn't even original because it just mimics the DLC from DA2 in almost every aspect but feels like a watered down version instead.

Mate, I share your feelings. You're welcome to read my review: http://forum.bioware...y-final-review/
In this WEaWH part I like it because of that 'dynamic court reputation' thing, that is somewhat innovative.

Other parts of the game are just plain copied.

[Jukaga]

Except that Talis is the worst thing ever inflicted on the Dragon Age universe and should be purged from canon with flame. I'd rather sit through Bodahn and Sandal doing a two man Vaudeville stage show that lasts 10 hours than have that inanity forced on me again. It's a shame, cause the final battle with the Duke in MoTA is my favorite boss fight in all of the DAU.

[dreamgazer]

Anyone else agree? I felt like Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts was a watered down version of the party from MotA and twice as long and twice as poorly written.

How on earth is it "twice as poorly written", now?

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

How on earth is it "twice as poorly written", now?

Well... In fact the original story, the Mark of the Asassin, had few plot twists I didn't expect to see:

1. Talis happens to be a Qunari special agent;

2. Talis happens to be a Qunari ex-special agent that was somewhat expelled;

3. Talis happens to be there to kill few targets from the very start at Kirkwall, but not stealing anything. At this point you start to doubt all the previous info you got from her (Duke vision of things differs a lot).

 

Well, there were no such twists in WEaWH. :/

 

I can't fully agree with TS tho. In fact, it's the most original part of the game sooo I'd say everything is fine here.

[ironhorse384]

I can't say I agree with you there OP. I view mark of the assassin as more of an introduction to the world of the Orlesian aristocracy much the same as legacy introduces you to Corypheus. I didn't at all get the impression of a watered down version of mark while playing wicked eyes and wicked hearts, in fact, I thought it to be one of , if not , the best main story mission.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

I can't say I agree with you there OP. I view mark of the assassin as more of an introduction to the world of the Orlesian aristocracy much the same as legacy introduces you to Corypheus. I didn't at all get the impression of a watered down version of mark while playing wicked eyes and wicked hearts, in fact, I thought it to be one of , if not , the best main story mission.

It definitely is.

[NoForgiveness]

Mmmm... maybe....?

 

The characters are the big thing for me. in MoTA I knew Tallis's motivations and intentions and I knew what the other two were after. I also had a clear idea of how I wanted all 3 to end up, even if that choice never presented itself.

 

In wicked... whatever the **** its called, Florrane(that's not how its spelt but, **** it) was probably the one with the best development. And that's kinda really pathetic, since she's just there to be the enemy. For, Celene, Gaspard and Briala you get some pretty vague information about them and then are expected to make a decision based solely(is that right? doesn't seem right...) on that. **** that.

[katokires]

The only reason Inquisition wins is: MORRIGAN IN THAT DRESS. You can't top that. On the down side... not being properly dressed to an Orlesian Ball is painful...

Focus on Morrigan

My girlfrind spammed printscreen like crazy today while she talked to Morrigan, I was afraid she was going to make a 48fps movie out of the screenshots, unintendedly

[Zatche]

I enjoyed the decisions you could make in Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts. I decided to consciously watch Celene get murdered and use the result to my own ends. And I was able to blackmail Gaspard into supporting Briala. The major things you could do in Mark of the Assassin to were decide whether or not to engage in stealth versus straight combat and to decide whether or not to support Tallis.

 

I also really appreciated the part where you come across the servants killed by Florianne's henchmen and hear the reactions from your companions. Sera was appalled and Vivienne was apathetic. It was a dark reminder of how terrible collateral damage could be.

 

Also, the stealth section in Mark of the Assassin was not fun.

[Tsunami Chef]

Idk...I personally found wicked eyes wicked hearts way better than MOTA. That + having morrigan in it instead of Tallis makes it so much better it's not even an argument.

 

I still find adamant and the Templar mission way better, but I didn't find it to be a copy of MOTA at all.

[Kalshane]

Eh, the choice between Celene, Brialla and Gaspard is a lot better than the choice between Bhelen and Harrowmount in DA:O where the game basically tells you to make the wrong choice if you're playing a character with a conscience.

[luism]

Yes I agree I thought the same thing myself. Either way I despise that quest and never want to play another da game with orlai in it. One or 2 phony accents and cheesy cut and paste costumes I can tolerate. An entire mission filled with it no. I didn't get any of the political intrigue that others felt it felt shallow and dull.

[katokires]

Harrowmont = Good

 

Bhelen = Bad

 

At least the choices in Wicked Farts were subjective. Or maybe not... all were "bad" so it didn't matter. Just depended on personal preference... my personal preference was Celene killed, Gaspard on throne. Briala's an elf and Sera had converted my IQ into a racist.

Bhelen is DEFFINETLY good. A Paladin can kill if it means the greater good. So if Bhelen is more open to the idea of getting rid of the castes, Bhelen is undoubtly a Paladin. It doesn't matter if he is the most twisted sick psychopath in Thedas, he is still lawful good. Anyone agreeing with that much suffering in the slums is EVIL, a lot more evil than the demon kings.

[TheOgre]

Bhelen is DEFFINETLY good. A Paladin can kill if it means the greater good. So if Bhelen is more open to the idea of getting rid of the castes, Bhelen is undoubtly a Paladin. It doesn't matter if he is the most twisted sick psychopath in Thedas, he is still lawful good. Anyone agreeing with that much suffering in the slums is EVIL, a lot more evil than the demon kings.

 

Righto -- Harrowmount came off more evil to me than did Bhelen. I will agree though that you may feel pretty scummy supporting Bhelen, only to have the guy turn around and say "Alright, to the executions with you!".

[Teddie Sage]

Except that Talis is the worst thing ever inflicted on the Dragon Age universe and should be purged from canon with flame. I'd rather sit through Bodahn and Sandal doing a two man Vaudeville stage show that lasts 10 hours than have that inanity forced on me again. It's a shame, cause the final battle with the Duke in MoTA is my favorite boss fight in all of the DAU.

I disagree here.

[SpiritMuse]

Bhelen is DEFFINETLY good. A Paladin can kill if it means the greater good. So if Bhelen is more open to the idea of getting rid of the castes, Bhelen is undoubtly a Paladin. It doesn't matter if he is the most twisted sick psychopath in Thedas, he is still lawful good. Anyone agreeing with that much suffering in the slums is EVIL, a lot more evil than the demon kings.

I don't know that I'd classify Bhelen as lawful good - he wants to overthrow existing rules, after all. Maybe neutral or chaotic good, willing to use underhanded tactics and break rules for the greater good. Now Harrowmont is lawful, he wants to follow and enforce the existing traditions. As for the good/evil axis, he's neutral at best.

Sorry, I just got home from a session of D&D so my nerd is showing more than usual.

[Kalshane]

See, I don't see Bhelen as good, by any measurement. Sure, he wants to fix the unfair caste system, which is admirable. But he kills one of his brothers, frames the other for it (resulting in their death), possibly poisions his father, blackmails Harrowmount's champions, wants the Warden to trick several deshyr's into believing Harrowmount is trying to cheat them and in general comes across as a scumbag. (Him ordering Harrowmount's execution immediately upon taking the throne doesn't exactly earn him brownie points either.) And he's definitely not a paladin. A paladin (in the D&D sense) is the antithesis of "the ends justify the means".

 

Harrowmount, on the other hand, is upfront and honorable with the Warden all the way through his questline (and if you play as a dwarven noble, incredibly sympathetic in your Origin story.) He's consistently presented through the Orzammar questline as a decent man. He's just happens to be an absolutely terrible king.

[katokires]

I don't know that I'd classify Bhelen as lawful good - he wants to overthrow existing rules, after all. Maybe neutral or chaotic good, willing to use underhanded tactics and break rules for the greater good. Now Harrowmont is lawful, he wants to follow and enforce the existing traditions. As for the good/evil axis, he's neutral at best.

Sorry, I just got home from a session of D&D so my nerd is showing more than usual.

I was just exaggerating because to me it is absurd to think Harrowmont is good and Bhelen is evil. So express the absurdness I called Bhelen a lawful good paladin in comparison to the evil that Harrowmont is.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

i couldnt care less

 

tallis and find a fire and die in it

that dlc was bad 

 

atleast it had a challenging fight [sky horror on NM]