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Im doing my 2nd run with DA:I and using a female elven mage. Pro mage, Romanced Solas... He just broke my heart and dissed me so hard, but thats another story :(

 

But now i'm with the part when Kieran runs in the eluvian to flemeth (btw could it be flemeth gave a piece of Mythal to Kieran because she knew Solas would come? ) And morrigan drank from the wel btw.

 

And after finding them and chatting some, I whas being realy nice and adoring to my elven goddes, haha. But now i have an option to attack her, so what are the consequences? and well whats wise....

 

 



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She stops you the same way she stops Morrigan attacking her AFAIK.



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She stops you the same way she stops Morrigan attacking her AFAIK.

So you don't get to fight her in actual combat, just cinematics?



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You lose aproval someway? not that it matter with playboy Solas. :"(. I dont have anny intentions attacking her, but if no los just for the cinematics?



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She uses the Geas of Mythal that she has over you or Morrigan to prevent either of you from attacking.

 

IE: If Morrigan drank then when Morrigan attacks at the begining her spell fizzles out, and when you attack later Morrigan (controlled by Mythal) knocks you on your ass.

 

If you drank then when Morrigan attacks at the beginning you (controlled by Mythal) stop her, and when you attack you are stopped (controlled by Mythal).



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 It kinda sucks, makes your quizzy look like a punk. He or she can slay dragons, and kill corypheus with minimal effort, but  a clothesline knocks him or her out. Makes me pine for the days of my Warden who beech slapped Flemeth in her dragon form and took her grimoire away. (even though all things considered she probably just feigned defeat, but still it was satisfying)



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She makes Morrigan pimp slap you. (if Morrigan drank from the well)


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Magical b!tch slap from her daughter.



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 It kinda sucks, makes your quizzy look like a punk. He or she can slay dragons, and kill corypheus with minimal effort, but  a clothesline knocks him or her out. Makes me pine for the days of my Warden who beech slapped Flemeth in her dragon form and took her grimoire away. (even though all things considered she probably just feigned defeat, but still it was satisfying)

It's an elven god...an elven god.



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If you drank then when Morrigan attacks at the beginning you (controlled by Mythal) stop her, and when you attack you are stopped (controlled by Mythal).

 

If the Inquisitor drank the option to attack her isn't even there


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we should have had merrill drink the well of sorrows :3


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She uses the Geas of Mythal that she has over you or Morrigan to prevent either of you from attacking.

 

IE: If Morrigan drank then when Morrigan attacks at the begining her spell fizzles out, and when you attack later Morrigan (controlled by Mythal) knocks you on your ass.

 

If you drank then when Morrigan attacks at the beginning you (controlled by Mythal) stop her, and when you attack you are stopped (controlled by Mythal).

 

 

A thing which can't exist in the DA universe because magic doesn't work that way. A geas is a thing imported from a universe that runs on completely different principles from the ones that the DA universe runs on. Magic is physical, and it's workings are physical alterations. A geas, as a nonthing, can't exist in this universe since it has no physical working or logic as to how it functions. You can't alter reality to make a nonthing because a nonthing is a thing that can't be created.

 

And by that point, I've soloed plenty of dragons, so really I could take on Flemeth no problem. Especially since I've also soloed her in DA:O. The way that the writers chose to remove the OGB from their fictional universe so they would never have to address it another game was completely insulting because it involved removing all agency from the player and did so via importing a concept from another fictional universe that cannot possibly work or exist in the dragon age universe. But what else was I expecting? Most of the writing in this game was terrible. The dialogue was fine, but the actual story and how it progressed relied too much on removing all agency from the player because they knew that if the player had been allowed to keep their agency none of the **** that happened could have possibly happened. If you need to use a deus ex machina at every single turn of the page in your story, then you are doing it wrong, and that's exactly what Bioware did.



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A thing which can't exist in the DA universe because magic doesn't work that way. A geas is a thing imported from a universe that runs on completely different principles from the ones that the DA universe runs on. Magic is physical, and it's workings are physical alterations. A geas, as a nonthing, can't exist in this universe since it has no physical working or logic as to how it functions. You can't alter reality to make a nonthing because a nonthing is a thing that can't be created.

I dunno. It seems to me that a geas could be accomplished by injecting the Inquisitor (or ideally Morrigan) with a spirit.



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Elven god whatever Flemeth didn't fein crap. She was dead and Hawke saved her ass. The inquisitor simply got punked out, it happens (not to the Warden though.)



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A thing which can't exist in the DA universe because magic doesn't work that way. A geas is a thing imported from a universe that runs on completely different principles from the ones that the DA universe runs on. Magic is physical, and it's workings are physical alterations. A geas, as a nonthing, can't exist in this universe since it has no physical working or logic as to how it functions. You can't alter reality to make a nonthing because a nonthing is a thing that can't be created.

And by that point, I've soloed plenty of dragons, so really I could take on Flemeth no problem. Especially since I've also soloed her in DA:O. The way that the writers chose to remove the OGB from their fictional universe so they would never have to address it another game was completely insulting because it involved removing all agency from the player and did so via importing a concept from another fictional universe that cannot possibly work or exist in the dragon age universe. But what else was I expecting? Most of the writing in this game was terrible. The dialogue was fine, but the actual story and how it progressed relied too much on removing all agency from the player because they knew that if the player had been allowed to keep their agency none of the **** that happened could have possibly happened. If you need to use a deus ex machina at every single turn of the page in your story, then you are doing it wrong, and that's exactly what Bioware did.


Wait, so you're saying that in a fantasy universe with two or three different types of mind control and 3 to 4 different types of possession by supernatural entities, that a supernatural entity being able to command you at a whim after you made a bargain to take in some of its power is a non-real made-up thing?
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Morrigan gives you a backhand like Sly or Arnold that sends you flying back ingloriously, into the dust like a common thug. I take that option just for the humour value. See how the mighty inquisitor is eating mud.



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For those who haven't seen the inquisitor getting knocked down on their ass, I highly recommend you do. Its pretty awkward and hilarious.

 

Go to 7:12

 

 

 

It's an elven god...an elven god.

 

Yeah but its not even her that knocks you down directly. Its Morrigan who does it. She b!tch slaps you like you're nothing. I couldn't even take my inquisitor seriously after that lol. I just felt so embarrassed for him. I swear, my warden must've  been laughing in his grave. 



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I dunno. It seems to me that a geas could be accomplished by injecting the Inquisitor (or ideally Morrigan) with a spirit.

 

Then it wouldn't be a geas. You'd be an abomination. And mages are able to fight against the demon that was supposed to be used to control them. So you'd be able to enter the Fade and kill the demon who thought it could control you. Or just use magic to remove it from your body.

 

Remember DA:O where you kill the demon that was inside Connor? Same thing.



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Wait, so you're saying that in a fantasy universe with two or three different types of mind control and 3 to 4 different types of possession by supernatural entities, that a supernatural entity being able to command you at a whim after you made a bargain to take in some of its power is a non-real made-up thing?

 

In a fictional universe, you have to examine something like that by comparing it to how magic has been established as working within that fictional universe. And magic in Thedas works by taking a part of the Fade, placing it over some part of the physical world, mixing it up, and then controlling the Fade to bring about a physical alteration to the mixed Fade-physical world.

 

A geas which has no physical existance, no physical property at all, which is a complete nonexistance is not something which can be brought about in the dragon age universe because it cannot be brought about by making an alteration to the physical world as a geas has no existance at all. In fact, a geas has no actual mechanism that makes it work. It is just an artistic tool that storytellers in Ireland and other parts of northern Europe employed to move the story forward. Thus the geas was consistent with the fictional world of those ninth century storytellers as the geas was how magic worked in their fictional worlds, but a geas is completely inconsistent with how magic works in the DA universe.

 

And there was no point in even introducing something that is so inconsistent with the DA universe when there are already plenty of consistent methods of accomplishing the exact same outcome.

 

I know what some of you are probably thinking, that the Geas was could be explained as a physical alteration of the Inquisitor's brain. However this is wrong for at least 2 reasons:

1) Magic requires a caster to transfigure the Fade over the physical world and then bring about the change to the physical world. There was no caster.

2) It is impossible for anyone or anything to be able to use magic to alter someone's brain. No one in Thedas has any clue how the brain works, no idea about the chemical interactions, the cells, the molecules, nothing. In the real world we know what the brain looks like, what the cells look like, what the molecules and atoms look like. We have a general idea about how each of these things bring about memory, emotions, etc. And even we can't alter someone's brain in this fashion.

The best that a DA mage could do is use blood magic to turn someone's body into a puppet for so long as the blood mage is able to control that person. But once the blood mage runs out of whatever they were using to continue altering the physical reality and thus moving the other person's body, their control would end.

"Brainwashing" in Thedas is achieved by inserting a demon/spirit into someone and having the demon/spirit assert control over the person's body/mind/soul by replacing that person self with the demon's self. But that didn't happen either.



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I might be wrong but I just figured The Geas of Mythal was just a more pleasant way the ancient elves described Blood Magic Mind Control.  Which is a thing in DA.

 

Remember, the elves in the temple are from another time and have important sounding names for mundane things,


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Lol my first playthrough when I wanted to attack her but got love slap in the face

Ah well :) I'm still playing dai forever x)

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i was planing on letting solas drink from the well, but after reading i guess that's not gonna happen right.

will brake the story and game.



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Screw this feminist bullshit.

My Inquisitor would destroy her. the most powerful magic users are always men, Merlin, Dumbledore, Gandalf, Voldemort, sauron etc This doesn't sit well, nay verily it does not!
Ah well, she's juicing on an ancient Elven God I guess.



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A Geas makes perfect sense. Its a spell cast on the "water" in the Well which you put in your own body. Who knows what it did to you inside.

 

Mind control has been in Dragon Age since Origins. That's what the Blight is. Remember how the darkspawn all have a compulsion to find the Gods and follow them? And after you drink darkspawn blood, you start hearing it yourself? It's just a much much stronger version of that.

 

Not to mention, just because something hasn't been seen before, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We are talking about centuries old magic that has been lost.

 

Go back a few hundred years and show people some modern inventions and scientific principles and I'm sure a lot of people would tell you that those things couldn't exist.


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If the geas are just blood magic in air form state the witch can have it.