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[duckley]

What is the best bow and best armor for an archer and where can I find/buy?
Thanks

[Chardonney]

Superior Prowler armor -> Hissing Wastes merchant (Short List -perk)

Masterwork Spiked Longbow  -> http://dragonage3.wi...ngbow Schematic

 

http://dragonage.wik...s_(Inquisition)

[Elhanan]

For early game, I enjoyed using Bane of Red Crossing obtained on the Storm Coast.

http://dragonage.wik...of_Red_Crossing

[WillieStyle]

I think the Longbow of the Griphon might be the best in the game. Great for abusing chance on it procs.

[Chardonney]

I think the Longbow of the Griphon might be the best in the game. Great for abusing chance on it procs.

 

I think the Knight-Commander Longbow is better than Griffon. But when you craft your own bow, you get even better bow than those. By using the Masterwork Spiked Longbow, I get much better stats, with only difference being the attack bonus and I prefer the '5 guard on hit" instead of the '3 shot per attack'. But, of course, these are matter of taste. Not everyone wants the same things from their weapons.  

[WillieStyle]

I think the Knight-Commander Longbow is better than Griphon. But when you craft your own bow, you get even better bow than those. By using the Masterwork Spiked Longbow, I get much better stats, with only difference being the attack bonus and I prefer the '5 guard on hit" instead of the '3 shot per attack'. But, of course, these are matter of taste. Not everyone wants the same things from their weapons.

Um, you can still get the 5 gaurd on hit, or 10% chance to use Hidden blades from the Master Work slot on your armor. And each of those 3 shots has a chance to proc guard, hidden blades, sunder etc. I personally think the Griphon bow is broken. But that's just my opinion.

[VilniusNastavnik]

Um, you can still get the 5 gaurd on hit, or 10% chance to use Hidden blades from the Master Work slot on your armor. And each of those 3 shots has a chance to proc guard, hidden blades, sunder etc. I personally think the Griphon bow is broken. But that's just my opinion.

Yeah, but you actually have to get all three hits to actually hit enemies. Unless you are up close and personal the entire time a single target longbow far surpasses the tri-shot griffon.
 

Superior Prowler armor -> Hissing Wastes merchant (Short List -perk)

Masterwork Spiked Longbow  -> http://dragonage3.wi...ngbow Schematic

 

http://dragonage.wik...s_(Inquisition)

I am in near complete disagreement with this.

MW Spike yes. w. a MW Bound LB grip (for. AP) or Engraved Grip (for Crits)
S. Prowler Armor.. no. Let's assume you are going for utility instead of defence.. 

S. Prowler Armor:  9 L Uti, 4 M Uti
Prowler armor arms: 8 L Uti, 4 L Def
Hunter coat legs: 6 L Uti, 3 L Def (No T3 legs with Utility).. 

Ignoring the defence points.. 
23 Leather Utility points. 
W. Dragon scales (1/1)that is 23 Cun / 23 Dex for a 11.5 boost to Crit chance / Damage
W. Craggy skin (1.75 Cun) that is 40.25 Cun for a 20.125 boost to Crit Chance
W. Snoufleur Skin (1.75 Dex) that is a 40.25 Dex for a 20.125 boost to Crit Damage

Whilst this is good.. I find the Prowler Armor look on the Inquisitor absolutely abhorrent and would rather wear my pyjamas instead of that butlers tail coat. Honestly armor is entirely cosmetic I find. You can still do constant criticals and look much better.. That being said.. S. Prowler Armor looks great on Varric and Sera.. just not the inquisitor. Some people like the look.. I think they are blind.. but each to their own. Trenchcoat qunari or nothing.

[WillieStyle]

I don't understand. Why wouldn't all three shots hit if you aren't up close and personal? That's not a rhetorical question. I'm genuinely curious.

[VilniusNastavnik]

Have you actually used the Longbow of the griffon? They are not fired straight forward, the 2nd and 3rd shots are fired out at 45 degrees to the left and right of the main shot. If there is no enemy in their way they are wasted.
See below for an explanation

/|\ Where /|\ are the three arrows.. the further you stand back, the wider the arrows fly apart. 

[Chardonney]

I think they are blind.. but each to their own. Trenchcoat qunari or nothing.

 

I actually don't like that awful trenchcoat at all. Wouldn't want something like that flapping around my iquisitor's legs while he's fighting or jumping etc. I'll rather take the PJ's, thank you. And not everyone like to play with qunari. I choose either human or elf over qunari anyday. Like you said, each to their own, as it should be.

[actionhero112]

Swan or Masterwork Spiked Longbow is the best. I prefer the swan, as I want more raw crit chance with archer rogues on the weapon so I don't have to put points in the inefficient cunning stat. You're trading 1% crit damage and .5 attack for .5 crit chance every time you decide to craft cunning into a Leather Utility slot. That's not worth. 

 

I always go for the Swan Longbow to be honest. I don't think I've ever given Sera the Masterwork Spiked Longbow. I hate the mishmash of stats that it gives. 

 

Masterwork Prowler Armor is the best offensively I think. I wear it on every dps eventually, as it has the most Leather Utility which means more damage. I think you could argue that more metal defense will get you more infrequent burst of damage due to stagger on hit, but I don't know if it's worth the crit damage and attack% you lose out on. 

 

I think the Arishok Vitaar is the best Vitaar, but I don't play qunari so I don't really know. Someone else whose familiar with Vitaar is welcome to correct me. Superior Skirmisher is probably the best helm outside of Vitaar, followed by The Mask of the Grand Duchess. 

[VilniusNastavnik]

There is really no difference between Spiked and Swan. 

Spiked: 
22 base material
6 Leather offense
6 cloth offense
8 Leather utility

Swan
22 base material
12 Leather offense
6 leather utility


Swan:
22 Base material
Pick one [ 18% Critical Damage & 10.5% critical chance | 21% Critical chance | 36% Critical Damage ]
Pick one [ 6 C / 6 D | 10.5 C | 10.5 D ]

Spike
22 Base material
Pick one [ 18% Critical Damage | 10.5% critical chance ]
Pick one [ 21% Crit Damage | 10.5% attack ]
Pick one [ 8 C / 8 D | 14 C | 14 D ]

Option 1: Add this to an Engraved longbow grip and you have a further 18 Cloth offense for 63% critical damage. 
Option 2: Add this to a thick longbow grip and you have a further 18 leather offense for either 31.5% critical chance

Arishok Vitaar is the best vitaar.

8% attack
4% critical chance
4 Willpower

Looks a little like this

Spoiler

 

[actionhero112]

I prefer leather offense on the weapons, as it gives the most efficient crit chance % of all slot potential. And because the archer rogue is so reliant on crit% as sneak attack is less viable on them, I favor the Swan Longbow. You can't get that on the Masterworked Spiked, the max crit % you can get out of the slots even if you go into cunning on the utility slot is around 14%. As you've shown you can get 21% out of the Swan Longbow.

 

I'm using the Thick Grip myself for the extra 31.5% crit chance on my artificer. I'm around 83% crit chance after passives and the mask of the grand duchess. I don't really want to build more crit chance, as I would have to start cutting into the dexterity on my armor and you already know how I feel about that. 

 

Don't all vitaar have a damage rating independent of their bonuses? It's why they're so good. I looked it up on the wiki, it says it's 19.

[VilniusNastavnik]

I tend to get critical chance to 50% and pump everything else into damage. but that is just me. 

My qunari archer had what.. 

Attack ring, Critical damage ring, Superb belt of health, Cunning amulet
Superior battlemaster coat w. coat arms and mail legs.

84% Damage
14% chance
4 willpower
8% attack
1% health no hit.
5 hidden blades proc
Whole bunch more health on the armor and cold resistance (great bear hide) for the colouring.. In the end, the armor was 80% fire and 80% cold resistant after the shard quests was taken into account.

Chance was bout 50.. ish after abilities. crit damage was up over 100.. I'd have to swap the save files out to check exactly. Never had any problems with it. Criting most hits, pumping out damage like nothing else.. 

Certainly nothing like the first two games where you could pump up your critical chance and damage through the shadow and assassin trees to the point where you were doing 3-400% damage on every hit.

[WillieStyle]

Have you actually used the Longbow of the griffon? They are not fired straight forward, the 2nd and 3rd shots are fired out at 45 degrees to the left and right of the main shot. If there is no enemy in their way they are wasted.
See below for an explanation

/|\ Where /|\ are the three arrows.. the further you stand back, the wider the arrows fly apart.

Oh sure. I get that. I just didn't consider it because Dragons are huge and I'm always in Wing buffet range.

[VilniusNastavnik]

Oh sure. I get that. I just didn't consider it because Dragons are huge and I'm always in Wing buffet range.

10 dragons.. 11 if you count the elder ones thrall.. can be killed so quickly without it, the bow becomes situational at best. If you like stealthing right up to giants however, letting out a hit to their back getting all three hits before leaping shotting backwards it gets more use.. but otherwise it is really out done by anyone who is playing the sniper. Add the fact that it is obtained in the second last campaign mission if you chose not to jump down the hole.. 

[Novadove]

Actually, with all your gear slot and specialization, an archer is able to get 100% crit chance which guarentees crit hit. Beyond that one should start investing into dex full time to boost att and chd.

That said' m spike is slightly better than swan due to 1 cloth slot for chd from dragon webbing which gives +21% chd whereas swan in end game gives me extra 11% cc when i have 100%cc alrdy. ( assuming you want to have 2 x great bear pelt which gives 22% CC, and argue that body armor can put dex but the crafted armor dex will not give you 21% chd so it is better on the bow)

If main char chose to be artificer and bring varric along, that would buff 10% cc outright from arty spec which leaves room for lots of extra chd. Further more, end loot from wicked heart, mask of grand duchess givez another 12% cc and 6 cun from hat slot.

[actionhero112]

Actually, with all your gear slot and specialization, an archer is able to get 100% crit chance which guarentees crit hit. Beyond that one should start investing into dex full time to boost att and chd.

That said' m spike is slightly better than swan due to 1 extra slot for chd from dragon webbing which gives +21% chd whereas swan in end game gives me extra 11% cc when i have 100%cc alrdy.

If main char chose to be artificer and bring varric along, that would buff 10% cc outright from arty spec which leaves room for lots of extra chd. Further more, end loot from wicked heart, mask of grand duchess givez another 12% cc and 6 cun from hat slot.

And yet by doing so, you lose out on 10.5% crit chance, which cannot be regained unless you make a Swan Longbow. So it's not better. 

 

Again, I don't want to boost cunning ever. It's an inefficient stat to build in a utility slot as Dexterity provides 1% crit damage and .5 attack, where as Cunning only boosts crit chance by .5%. Leather Offense is doubly more efficient.

[VilniusNastavnik]

Actually, with all your gear slot and specialization, an archer is able to get 100% crit chance which guarentees crit hit. Beyond that one should start investing into dex full time to boost att and chd.

That said' m spike is slightly better than swan due to 1 cloth slot for chd from dragon webbing which gives +21% chd whereas swan in end game gives me extra 11% cc when i have 100%cc alrdy. ( assuming you want to have 2 x great bear pelt which gives 22% CC, and argue that body armor can put dex but the crafted armor dex will not give you 21% chd so it is better on the bow)

If main char chose to be artificer and bring varric along, that would buff 10% cc outright from arty spec which leaves room for lots of extra chd. Further more, end loot from wicked heart, mask of grand duchess givez another 12% cc and 6 cun from hat slot.

^ only problem is, this requires you to bring 2 rogues, and be a non qunari.
 

 

And yet by doing so, you lose out on 10.5% crit chance, which cannot be regained unless you make a Swan Longbow. So it's not better. 

 

Again, I don't want to boost cunning ever. It's an inefficient stat to build in a utility slot as Dexterity provides 1% crit damage and .5 attack, where as Cunning only boosts crit chance by .5%. Leather Offense is doubly more efficient.

 

How, you already have hit 100%.. once you hit it, that is it.. 

[yankblan]

I think the Longbow of the Griphon might be the best in the game. Great for abusing chance on it procs.

I agree; combined with guard on hit and flask of lightning, it makes flask of fire obsolete. Put a dragon rune (better one, don't know the name), guard and FoL, your abilites become UP in comparison, except Thousand Cuts of course.

[actionhero112]

How, you already have hit 100%.. once you hit it, that is it.. 

There is no way to hit 100% without investing in Cunning.

 

My Swan Longbow gives me 52.5 crit chance with grip. I could masterwork this for more crit chance but I won't for the sake of efficiency, it would only give me a small amount.

I start with 5%

I have 15% from the Mask of the Grand Duchess.

I have an extra 5% from just being an artificer

Passives give me 9%

Spoiler

Death from Above

Cheap Shot

Looks Like It Hurt

Opportunity Knocks
Sneak Attack

Easy to Miss

 

That's 86.5, 91.5 if I bring along varric.

 

I'd have to start putting points in cunning in utility slots. Never. 

 

To boost myself the last 13.5, I'd need 27 points in cunning.

 

That's 27 points that could be better used for dexterity to give me

 

13.5% attack and 27% crit damage. 

 

Not worth giving up for just 13.5% crit chance.

 

Without the Swan Longbow, you're down to 76 with the masterwork spiked longbow. 

[VilniusNastavnik]

I'd be interested to see Novadove's build then. like I said, I get to 50% crit and pump the rest into damage.

[actionhero112]

I'd be interested to see Novadove's build then. like I said, I get to 50% crit and pump the rest into damage.

I'd probably do something similar if I wasn't an artificer, and didn't get an additional benefit from high critical chance %.

 

Something occured to me

 

I'm using rings of attack and critical damage right now, but if I used a ring of crit chance I could probably boost into 96.5 to 100% if I stacked two. I don't think it's worth, I'm satisfied with 85~%, but if I wanted to I could. 

 

But I don't think it's possible with a masterworked spiked. You'll end around 90%. 

[Biotic Flash Kick]

if you go assassin you only need 25% crit hit

stack everything into crit damage and dex

 

i've spiked 17K with an assassin in one move :33

[Biotic Flash Kick]

27000* not 17K