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[Augustei]

I think it's very likely that early in development, Bioware was gonna go with Hawke getting the mark and the player being Hawke throughout the game but at some point added the extra races for appeal evidenced by them looking rushed in to the game (technical/graphical issues).

 

Corypheus is from Dragon Age 2...Bioware is stealing Hawke's thunder! it's like Inquisition is a sequel that stole the glory from Hawke. It would be like Mass Effect 2 or 3 without Shepard. It would be like Empire Strikes back or Return of the Jedi with only a brief cameo of Luke Skywalker.

 

It just makes more sense for Hawke to of become the Inquisitor instead of making up some bs story about why he wasn't around.

 

If Hawke wasn't to be the playable character, then I would of prefered him to be Inquisitor and me the playable character as his right hand and then maybe later some sort of tragedy takes his life and i become Inquisitor...

 

What do you guys think?

Mass Effect 2 and 3 without Shepard? Damn that does sound good, almost as good as Hawke not being the Inquisitor. Recon they would have given us an option to kill Shepard like we did Hawke? Because I would tots' kill Shepard like I did Hawke

[Kamui71]

If only Bioware could create a DLC with Hawke as the protagonist. It's probably too much work but I can dream. Sarcastic Hawke judging the box could be so fun...

[Darkly Tranquil]

If only Bioware could create a DLC with Hawke as the protagonist. It's probably too much work but I can dream. Sarcastic Hawke judging the box could be so fun...

"I judge the box, footstool for my throne!"

[KaiserShep]

Imagine if instead of the Warden Ally going with you into the fade, it's the Warden Commander, and now the decision is between two of your previous protagonists, both who had a hand in causing all of this.  Hawke for arrogantly releasing Corypheus and the Warden Commander for going along with Erimond's scheme.

 

Thing is, the Hawke situation is still on the Wardens too, because they set a trap for Hawke that was inescapable if not for her blood being able to break the seals. Basically, this kind of all falls on the Wardens.

[Hazegurl]

It would have been awesome if Hawke was the lead.  Hawke wasn't even the reason DA2 tanked, it was their lazy design that hurt it more than anything else.   It would have been nice if they had Hawke as the lead for those who wanted him and then their generic IQ's for everyone else.

[Sailfindragon]

Thank goodness they didn't go down that road. Really not a fan of Hawke. 

[Sifr]

Pity if it was the case. Imagine the fun sarcastic hawke could have had with that title.

 

Yeah, a sarcastic Hawke would have been great as the Inquisitor, especially since there are moments in the game that seem so much like you could insert Hawke into the Inquisitor's place and you'd barely notice any difference (except that the dialogue would probably be much funnier).

 

Take the judgements of Morvan the Under to be stuck in a gibbet and Florianne's corpse in the box to be an end table for orphans (with a nice bow on it)... both decisions that are pretty the exact sort of thing you'd expect a Renegade Hawke and Sarcastic Hawke to come up with?

[Ieldra]

@the topic:

I think it's fairly obvious that Hawke was intended to be the Inquisitor at some point. DAI even hints at it in-world.

 

Would that have been good or bad? Well, I don't know, but IMO Hawke as a character is NOT among DA2's flaws, and they would have worked as the Inqusitor. However, I prefer the way things are now. I have a new, less-predefined human main Inquisitor and an elf Inquisitor who fits rather well into DAI's plot specifically, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

Also, if I recall ME's Shepard the thought of the continuing protagonist they would have created for DA, and the character development they would've forced on them, fills me with dread. And then the possibility they might forced them into a heroic sacrifice in the end....*shudder*.

[Augustei]

"Hey Hawke that Chantry sister is threatening war with the Qunari, should we do something?"    "Nah I'm sure it'll be fine"
"Hey Hawke Meredith has gone nuts, is refusing the election of a new Viscount and the nobility are starting to turn against her, should we do something, make take advantage of this now that your the Champion?"    "Nah, I might do something that can barely be called an effort in 3 years"
"Hey Hawke this lone templar is trying to force your sister into a circle should you do something?"  "Nah, I cbf despite all our families aparent efforts to keep her out of it"
"Hey Hawke this Tallis girl has a list of all the Qunari spies in thedas, should we do something?"  "Nah, despite me voicing my dislike of the Qun and saying I should kill Tallis I'll just stand here and do nothing"


Hawke would have been to busy staring into his fireplace for years on end to be the Inquisitor

[Navasha]

I have little doubt that the long term vision was to use Hawke as the Inquisitor.    However, when DA2 failed miserably, that had to change.   You don't follow up a flop by making that character the star of the next game.    That would have been commercial suicide.  

 

IMO, it was the wise decision. 

[Sifr]

@the topic:

I think it's fairly obvious that Hawke was intended to be the Inquisitor at some point. DAI even hints at it in-world.

 

Would that have been good or bad? Well, I don't know, but IMO Hawke as a character is NOT among DA2's flaws, and they would have worked as the Inqusitor. However, I prefer the way things are now. I have a new, less-predefined human main Inquisitor and an elf Inquisitor who fits rather well into DAI's plot specifically, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

Also, if I recall ME's Shepard the thought of the continuing protagonist they would have created for DA, and the character development they would've forced on them, fills me with dread. And then the possibility they might forced them into a heroic sacrifice in the end....*shudder*.

 

As much as I like Hawke's character, I did like that they retconned it slightly so that Hawke was actually their second choice after the Warden (if alive) for the post, which if we're honest, is probably who most people in-and-out of universe would probably have as their top choice. And I liked Varric's reason for keeping them out of it, because he knew that his friend really just wants a quiet life and to stop being dragged into other people's messes, since it never ends well for them.

 

I think you hit the nail on the head. It does irk me to no end that Hawke gets so much flack as a character, just because people didn't like the game. If people want to point to probems in DA2, it was the story, the lack of agency we were given decision wise, gameplay and a sheer lack of time EA gave Bioware to make the game because they wanted to cash in on Origins success.

 

Frankly, Hawke and the companions in DA2 were as good and as memorable as any we've had in the series. You just have to look at all the fanfiction and fan art of the DA2 characters out there to see people think of them as fondly as they do the cast from Origins, even if they didn't like the game itself.

[M-Taylor]

Mrrghhh am I misremembering the launch of DA2 or something? I remember when it was revealed that the Warden would not be a protagonist and Hawke would take that place, David Gaider released a statement saying that each new Dragon Age game would have a new protagonist and it would not be similar to Mass Effect ala Shepard. I remember reading the post on tumblr so much because Gaider was on the verge of being very insulting (imagine he got the question alot of WHY NO WARDEN?!?!).

 

To me it doesn't make sense for Hawke to be the Inqusitor. I always saw each DA game having a new protagonist, and really it makes more sense considering the setting.

 

Plus personal bias input I didn't dislike Hawke, but I have zero emotional attachment to mine. So much so that I changed my canon Hawke from female to male and it didn't phase me at all because s/he never felt like my character. It's not even the voiced protagonist thing, you simply cannot customise Hawke at all. You have a very determined background, you have a very determined family view (where was the '**** family I'm going solo' option?) and you have a very determined destiny. You can change his/her opinions some what regarding Qunari/Mages/Templars, but even then it's still rigid. You can be sympathetic towards Qunari but you cannot out right support them. You can let Anders live after Chantry boom, but you cannot out right support him. The list goes on.

 

So no, I don't personally think Hawke was planned to be the inquisitor all along based on Gaiders tumblr post with the release of DA2. They obviously have some over-all game plot, so for him to say there would be a new protagonist each DA game while planning Hawke to be the inquisitor doesn't make sense to me. And I'm not sorry to see Hawke go; I much prefer my Dalish quizzy's thank you very much.

[Tex]

I just hope the next protagonist isn't so cold.

[ThreeF]

I don't think so, the rise to power thing was there because of marketing fluff in my opinion. If anything it's the cancelled expansion that I attribute this to. Recently there was an article saying many characters would've died in said expansion, so I'm thinking Hawke's potential sacrifice was originally part of that.

 

Maybe not Hawke's, but everyone's else, it would definitely open room for romance in Inquisition (as silly as this sounds)

 

I'm positive that in any case the original plan was for a male IQ, because of Cassandra.

 

I wonder if, on the down low, Bioware really wants to just make the next game set 'after' the dragon age and just jump way ahead in time and be done with all this having to worry about pleasing all of us fans with our connections to these characters and stories.

 

Already the scope of potentialities is starting to become way too much for Bioware to really handle in any depth and instead of actually using DA:I to shore up and finalize character and story threads they just left almost all of them hanging.

 

I really enjoy Dragon Age games and Bioware games in general. They are some of my favorites of all times, but I would really love to see them tighten up their storytelling. It feels like loads of cliffhangers all over the place.

 

I got the same impression. The wrapping up of Templar/Mage also didn't felt very satisfying (kind of in the background of other things)

[MiyuEmi]

I wouldn't think that they would have put Hawke or the HoF in the position of the Inquisitor.  People were pretty upset that you were unable to alter the race of your Champion of Kirkwall, at least I was, and forced you to have a set story background that I was unable to really connect with after the diversity of choices in DAO.  I would hope that the protagonist for each game was new, unless there were extreme circumstances which made choosing an existing playable character was important.  I love my previous DA universe characters, but don't want to see Hawke again and was disappointed that there wasn't any real sight of my HoF character in my DA2 game.

[Ieldra]

Mrrghhh am I misremembering the launch of DA2 or something? I remember when it was revealed that the Warden would not be a protagonist and Hawke would take that place, David Gaider released a statement saying that each new Dragon Age game would have a new protagonist and it would not be similar to Mass Effect ala Shepard. I remember reading the post on tumblr so much because Gaider was on the verge of being very insulting (imagine he got the question alot of WHY NO WARDEN?!?!).

The things developers say in public and what actually happened behind the scenes do not need to match. Also, things change. And lastly, I think I read that the plot of the planned-but-never-realized Exalted March DLC for DA2 was integrated into DAI.

[ThreeF]

I wouldn't think that they would have put Hawke or the HoF in the position of the Inquisitor.  People were pretty upset that you were unable to alter the race of your Champion of Kirkwall, at least I was, and forced you to have a set story background that I was unable to really connect with after the diversity of choices in DAO.  I would hope that the protagonist for each game was new, unless there were extreme circumstances which made choosing an existing playable character was important.  I love my previous DA universe characters, but don't want to see Hawke again and was disappointed that there wasn't any real sight of my HoF character in my DA2 game.

 

The Inquisitor's development started before DA2 was released, they didn't had this feedback yet.

[Tex]

What do you mean male inquisitor? I mean I know some prefer to play males but taking away gender choice is just silly.

[Ogillardetta]

The inquisitor seems almost half tranquil or something sometimes. Maybe its the mark?

[ThreeF]

What do you mean male inquisitor? I mean I know some prefer to play males but taking away gender choice is just silly.

 

In the same way Hawke is canonically male mage

[MikaelNovasun]

In the same way Hawke is canonically male mage

 

Canonically in what, the cgi trailiers that were released and a few promational posters? None of those are canon, they are about marketing to a demographic. According to the trailers hawke should be a blood magic using mage/warrior hybrid, while in gameplay mage hawke had difficulty standing ground against the arishok.

[ThreeF]

Canonically in what, the cgi trailiers that were released and a few promational posters?

 

 

Yes.

[Ogillardetta]

Yes.

No that is not canon that is commerical.

[ThreeF]

No that is not canon that is commerical.

 

I know, but I meant it in that sense, none the less. Also one might say that it's very difficult to write a story having a completely blank protagonist, so some things unintentionally slip through, but I don't want to speculate on that.