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[Aaleel]

Then it would have lost customers. Those who hated the second game may not have come back, and those - like me - who loved the first entry but avoided the second (put off by the premise, reviews and friends who hated the thing) would have reconsidered purchasing Inquisition if it continued a story they were not invested in.

I would not have bought Inquisition if it continued Hawke's story. So you're right about that, for me at least.

[Melca36]

They dropped the idea of Hawke as the Inquisitor, IMO, around the time DA2 flopped completely. I'm sure the idea was that DA2 would be this extended origin story, which would let them explore a whole new side heroic fantasy and would allow them to kickstart an ME-like franchise. The problem with all of that is that origin stories aren't interesting as a standalone story, and generally there's not that much too them. 

 

You can see the idea of the Hawkequisitor in some of the early DA2 marketing. 

 

But that takes away from their original "There will be a different protagonist in every game rule".

[Kilyra]

I would not have bought Inquisition if it continued Hawke's story. So you're right about that, for me at least.

Yep! I mean, I love DA in general, so I probably still would have bought it. But, I never felt connected to Hawke the same way I felt connected to HOF. With the Hero, I felt like it was my character..."me" in the game. Hawke felt like I was controlling a someone else's character for them. I'm not sure why I felt so differently, maybe part of it was having people call me by a title, with my name still being my own vs. being called Hawke, that character's name? I really don't know, but I know I felt a lot of disconnection from Hawke even thought I could customize her completely (well, minus race I guess). I still enjoyed the game well enough, although not nearly as much as Origins, but I never felt connected to it. 

 

So I'm one of the ones that's really, really happy they didn't continue on with Hawke. I feel a lot more connected to the Herald, it feels closer to Origins in how much it's "mine".

[o Ventus]

Imagine if instead of the Warden Ally going with you into the fade, it's the Warden Commander, and now the decision is between two of your previous protagonists, both who had a hand in causing all of this.  Hawke for arrogantly releasing Corypheus and the Warden Commander for going along with Erimond's scheme.

I would actually stop and ponder who to choose.

[Johanna]

I think that was one of the options on the table, maybe not the only and original one, but one that was considered. I'm also fairly certain that Warden Commander Clarel's role was considered for the HOF if alive.

Whoa. That's effing heavy. I... would really like to think my Warden would know better than to trust Erimond! And if not, I would be so angry with her. Awesome death, though.

[KaiserShep]

Nothing would've broken the Warden's character more completely if s/he was seen collaborating with that d*ckhole Erimond.

[EmissaryofLies]

Agreed with every word aside from the 'right hand of Hawke' and taking her place thing; the game was made and meant for Hawke, she fits like a glove.

[AlanC9]

But that takes away from their original "There will be a different protagonist in every game rule".

Right. I could've sworn I heard that was policy before DA2 shipped. So they changed it and then changed it back?

[Johanna]

That is unfortunate. I feel like character/story development would of just been top notch if they stuck with Hawke as main character. No need to blow resources on extra races.

I couldn't disagree more. Inquisition made me actually care about elven lore, and it even managed to make me want to play an elf. While I do regret the lack of that sturdy human or dwarven booty, my canon run will forever be as a female elf. I'm so thankful they added 3 more races.

[McPartyson]

I couldn't disagree more. Inquisition made me actually care about elven lore, and it even managed to make me want to play an elf. While I do regret the lack of that sturdy human or dwarven booty, my canon run will forever be as a female elf. I'm so thankful they added 3 more races.

 

Ya the more I think about it... the more likely there would be even greater backlash for again being a lack of races. Dragon Age Origins, the first game in the series did start with this idea. Unfortunately, DAI didn't even come close to fleshing out the individual origins of each race.

[Darkly Tranquil]

Right. I could've sworn I heard that was policy before DA2 shipped. So they changed it and then changed it back?

This all speculation anyway. There is no way of knowing what Bioware's thinking was on the issue at any given point unless they decide to tell us, which is doubtful.

[ThreeF]

Ya the more I think about it... the more likely there would be even greater backlash for again being a lack of races. Dragon Age Origins, the first game in the series did start with this idea. Unfortunately, DAI didn't even come close to fleshing out the individual origins of each race.

 

I'd love a more involved background shaping too, but I think that it's good that they at least tried to make it relevant to the story with Josephine and the WT missions. I actually like very much what they did with Josephine because you could define exactly what kind of character you were.

[Sifr]

I couldn't disagree more. Inquisition made me actually care about elven lore, and it even managed to make me want to play an elf. While I do regret the lack of that sturdy human or dwarven booty, my canon run will forever be as a female elf. I'm so thankful they added 3 more races.

 

Tell me about it. As I've said elsewhere, the amount of elven lore and elven characters in important roles in the storyline, has made it really hard for me now to play as a non-elf in subsequent playthroughs, because the Inquisitor being an elf seems so natural and organic to the story that it's remarkable that Inquisition orginally was written with a human protagonist only in mind?

[senior caliente]

Just fly through time and start where ME3 ended:P same universe? possible?

 

 

dont take this to serious.... im high

[Iakus]

I think it's very likely that early in development, Bioware was gonna go with Hawke getting the mark and the player being Hawke throughout the game but at some point added the extra races for appeal evidenced by them looking rushed in to the game (technical/graphical issues).

 

Corypheus is from Dragon Age 2...Bioware is stealing Hawke's thunder! it's like Inquisition is a sequel that stole the glory from Hawke. It would be like Mass Effect 2 or 3 without Shepard. It would be like Empire Strikes back or Return of the Jedi with only a brief cameo of Luke Skywalker.

 

It just makes more sense for Hawke to of become the Inquisitor instead of making up some bs story about why he wasn't around.

 

If Hawke wasn't to be the playable character, then I would of prefered him to be Inquisitor and me the playable character as his right hand and then maybe later some sort of tragedy takes his life and i become Inquisitor...

 

What do you guys think?

I think it's highly unlikely.

 

They've made it pretty clear that there is no central protagonist in the Dragon Age series.  One game, one hero.  Dragon Age's Rule of One.

 

that said, there was an "Exalted March" expansion that was at some point planned, but got scrapped.  I suspect it was going to be an Exalted march on Kirkwalll following the events in Act 3.  Further, I think this was lampshaded a bit when Hawke mentions why he/she left Kirkwall out of concern for said Exalted March and says "It turns out I needn't have bothered, it never happened"

 

Now Corypheus is probably deliberately meant to link things back to DA2.  And to justify bringing Hawke back as a cameo since people were so hot and bothered about seeing Hawke/The Warden again.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

 

They've made it pretty clear that there is no central protagonist in the Dragon Age series.  One game, one hero.  Dragon Age's Rule of One.

 

I think that they may have been entertaining the idea of a main protagonist but decided to make it this way to avoid repeating the pattern of the ME series;  everyone becoming deeply attached to the protagonist and when something goes awfully wrong (ME3), the avalanche of fury and protests almost buried them. 

I think they tried but decided to play safe and please everyone.

[AWTEW]

Exactly, Revan is canonically male, regardless of if you played as them as female in Kotor.
 
The Warden has no set canon, nor does Hawke, just a default that they go with. Even the novels are intentionally vague about both their genders or race. The most you can infer is Wynne and Leliana mentioning about having worked with elves before during the Blight, but that could easily just as well apply to Zevran than definitively making it so that the Warden was indeed an Elf.

  Except she used elves and not 'elf' . They could have used the other default states from DA2 from the keep, but they didin't. Also lellianas character development, fits better with a dead warden imo.

I do very much belive that, dalish female warden is their ' working cannon state'. What they work with for the main stories first, and then they go and add the variances.

[LobselVith8]

Then it would have lost customers. Those who hated the second game may not have come back, and those - like me - who loved the first entry but avoided the second (put off by the premise, reviews and friends who hated the thing) would have reconsidered purchasing Inquisition if it continued a story they were not invested in. 

 

Well, it was admitted that the developers considered ending the franchise with Dragon Age II, so it doesn't seem like the reception was too positive for the previous game. That said, I think the restoration of multiple racial backgrounds was a good idea, even if I think they could have been implemented much better than they were. I certainly wouldn't have purchased Inquisition if I was limited to playing as another Andrastian human.

[AresKeith]

Agreed with every word aside from the 'right hand of Hawke' and taking her place thing; the game was made and meant for Hawke, she fits like a glove.

 

No, it wasn't Hawke would've been a terrible leader for the Inquisition 

[ashlover mark 2]

Any worse then some random person with a magic hand? 

[Mocksie]

I think that was one of the options on the table, maybe not the only and original one, but one that was considered. I'm also fairly certain that Warden Commander Clarel's role was considered for the HOF if alive.

 

I think it would be more likely the HOF would be Hawke's warden friend if they had a voice. HOF being in a villainous role, and then dying to a dragon just doesn't seem suiting to a former protagonist.

 

I would have loved to see Hawke as the Inquisitor though... I like Hawke better all around, and Hawke has a personal connection to all the villains and conflicts in the story (mage/templar war, Cory, etc.) The Inquisitor's involvement in the story has always felt a bit forced to me, and it feels like everything they do is just "fixing Hawke's mess." At least if Hawke was the protagonist, they would be able to fix their own mess. 

 

But as others have said, a lot of people didn't like Hawke because they didn't like DA2. I didn't love DA2 either, but my problems with it were moreso the repetitive zones and annoying, angsty companions, not Hawke. Sarcastic Hawke has been my favorite protagonist to date.

[Eyes_Only]

I'm sure this has been said but Hawke as the Inquisitor would have sucked majorly due to the simple fact Hawke is either one of two things. Human male or Human female. DAI would have been instantly on the same downward spiral as DA2 in the fact that no other races would be allowed.

 

Instead we got elf, dwarf, human and qunari which I think is perfect.

 

Was Hawke suppose to be the inquisitor? maybe.

 

But I'm glad mine wasn't. I did like how Hawke was tied into the story though, not only with Cassandra's reaction to Hawke but also how everything tied in nicely with Varric.

 

I was not however to pleased with the fact that Hawke seemed mostly content to let my inquisitor take on the one that "got away" Seemed weird to have the villain someone I already "killed" in DA2.

[In Exile]

But that takes away from their original "There will be a different protagonist in every game rule".

 

Pretty sure that was just their flame shield for the "bring back the Warden" rage. 

[KaiserShep]

No, it wasn't Hawke would've been a terrible leader for the Inquisition

Worse than a qunari mercenary? BSN plz.

[Ieldra]

  Except she used elves and not 'elf' . They could have used the other default states from DA2 from the keep, but they didin't. Also lellianas character development, fits better with a dead warden imo.

I do very much belive that, dalish female warden is their ' working cannon state'. What they work with for the main stories first, and then they go and add the variances.

While that appears plausible as a way to work, I did not get that impression at all. The way my human mage Warden's story came through in DAI through Morrigan's conversations was just about perfect. In fact, had I designed it myself according to my preferences it couldn't have gone much better.