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[AresKeith]

Oh yeah. That ended up being stopped by the breach didn't it?

 

Idk, was it ever mentioned in the game?

[Ryzaki]

Idk, was it ever mentioned in the game?

 

I think so.

[MrFob]

I never liked DA2 very much but I would have been fine with Hawke being the Inquisitor. It would have made perfect sense and it's not like DA2 was bad because of its protagonist. In fact, I thought Hawke was one of the few things DA2 did right.

 

Ah well, it's fine the way it is I guess but it is a bit of a wasted opportunity. I never really could warm up to my own inquisitor, he is just very bland.

[Zem_]

I never liked DA2 very much but I would have been fine with Hawke being the Inquisitor. It would have made perfect sense and it's not like DA2 was bad because of its protagonist. In fact, I thought Hawke was one of the few things DA2 did right.

 

My ideal setup would have been a choice between Hawke and a custom Inquisitor, similar to the choice you're given starting DA:Awakening.  I'd even have been okay with the non-Hawke choice being fixed to Dalish, with an appropriate Welsh or Irish VO being the only choice provided they delved a bit deeper into the difficulty that the Dalish Inquisitor should have faced attempting to lead the Inquisition in a human-dominated land where elves aren't just a minority but an oppressed minority. 

 

Relegating Hawke to cameo status kind of makes DA2 entirely irrelevant.  I guess they're not too concerned by that since it wasn't well regarded to begin with, but the way I look at it it would have salvaged DA2 just a bit to make Hawke the star this time around.  DA2 would then have been an extended origin story for Hawke that ties directly into the start of Inquisition following the Legacy DLC.

[Sifr]

Idk, was it ever mentioned in the game?

 

If Hawke sided with the Mages, they mention that s/he left Kirkwall for fear that Justinia was going to launch an Exalted March against the city because of what they did, so they went on the run to try and get the Chantry to come after them and spare the city. They then muse that they needn't have bothered, as the rumours of an Exalted March were simply getting overblown by everyone.

 

I think that part of why the Exalted Marches never happened in DAI despite their reusing some of the plot of the cancelled expansion, was due to how Justinia was presented in both Leliana's Song and in the novels, as someone who was a reasonably progressive woman and sympathetic to the mages, as well as the person who most pushed for the Conclave to find peace between the Mages and Templars. Having her be the one to launch a crusade, after all of that, would have seemed a tad out of character?

 

Of course, I could see perhaps see this being the plot if we'd have to deal with a more hardline successor in the wake of her death (whether or not the Breach would have factored into this at all), who might have decided upon such a course?

 

Although, they might also have put this plot on the back burner for now. If you hardened Leliana (in both games) and/or chose Vivienne as Divine, the epilogue has them enforce some brutal crackdowns to secure their power, so I could perhaps see them launching an Exalted March somewhere along the line if they felt that someone had challenge their authority enough? I especially think that had Vivienne been Divine during Kirkwall rebellions, she'd have probably razed the city to the ground as an example, since she's massively in favour of the Circle and keeping the status quo as it is.

[dirk5027]

Hawke fans got screwed on this one, but of course there's Lelliana and Morrigan you can't get away from

Hawke should have had an integral role in the entire game ending the mage/templar war and dealing with Corypheus, OR Corypheus should have never been there to begin with

The mage/templar war was so trivial, I didn't even know I had ended it, until people having a picnic in the hinterlands said so

[Joseph Warrick]

It would have been clear if Cassandra had found Hawke in DA2. Then it would make sense for Hawke to be at the conclave and get the mark. But in DA2 Hawke had already vanished. I think fitting Hawke in the DAI story is trickier than simply forgetting about her.

[jlb524]

I would have loved Hawke as the Inquisitor. And if not, then a PC that was not so wet-blanket.

I'm sorry, but I just do not connect with my Quizzy. Any of them. I've tried really hard. I've played all the races. Different romances. Different genders. Different classes. I've tried skipping as much filler content as I could and sticking with the main quest hoping that it would do something for me.

The closest I get is playing as a female Dalish elf--romancing Solas.

This has never happened to me. Not in any game, BW games, or other companies. And I'm pretty much a big softie. I usually have No problems empathizing and connecting with my PC. Open world or linear. Fixed protag, or voiceless blank slate.

I am truly at a loss to understand why I am not connecting. I really don't know. I mean, I like my Quizzy's, but their kinda like a nice co-worker. They're cool and all at the office, but I'm not interested in trading phone numbers and going out and having a beer with them.

lol, I know this feel.

I've created so many Inquisitors but can't ever connect with them and get bored shortly after Skyhold.

I connected more with my NWN1 protag xd

Heck, I even felt something for the SWTOR protags I took through the recent expansion.

Inquisitor is just "blah" and I don't know why. My guess is that they do nothing but "win" from the moment you start playing them.

[zambingo]

Since Hawke fans can't have The Champion of Kirkwall evolve from the origin story of DA2 to perhaps the real reason Flemeth said the world would bend before them... DAI. ;-)

Then my wish would be for Mr. Gaider to write a comic with Hawke (perhaps literally a warrior Champion) and Bethany during the period between these games. The comics are their own thing anyway so this could be a neat re-exploration of the characters.

[mopotter]

Thank goodness they didn't go down that road. Really not a fan of Hawke. 

 

I like Hawke, but I am really glad they gave me someone new for DAI.  Really glad.  

[Nykara]

I wonder if, on the down low, Bioware really wants to just make the next game set 'after' the dragon age and just jump way ahead in time and be done with all this having to worry about pleasing all of us fans with our connections to these characters and stories.

 

Already the scope of potentialities is starting to become way too much for Bioware to really handle in any depth and instead of actually using DA:I to shore up and finalize character and story threads they just left almost all of them hanging.

 

I really enjoy Dragon Age games and Bioware games in general. They are some of my favorites of all times, but I would really love to see them tighten up their storytelling. It feels like loads of cliffhangers all over the place.

I do believe this is partly what happened with Mass Effect also.

Stories and characters that tie in together are all well and good but... in game companies there is a lot more staff turn over. New people who have to learn *everything* from scratch, especially when writter's are the one who have been changed. Then there is also having to remember all of the different choices that present themselves throughout the games. Personally I think that they paid too much attention to the smaller-side quest choices and not enough attention to the main story quest choices because they ran out of time. The main story quest should be done -first- side quests choices later. Especially when you get past 2 games and in to the third game bump.

There is also the difficulty of continiously rehiring the same voice actors. In some cases it is probably fairly easy especially the voice actors who love voicing but in other cases voice actors are just looking for a once off and aren't interested in coming back again, and again, and again.

In order to continue on with the same 'world' in the same time, with some of the same characters. Others are going to have to be sacrificed, story's cannonized and so forth in order to actually be able to manage it.

I think sometimes, we expect too much.

[luism]

I really thought we were going to get the option to play as hawke if we wanted too when I saw hawke popping up in the trailers.

[Iakus]

I'm basing it on the whole "Hawke's the most important person in Thedas." crapola from before DA2's release. It made no sense with how DA2 came out (not even the most important in DA2) but if you look at DA2 as a sort of origin story for DAI then it's fitting.

Yeah but remember DA2 was also  "when you push a button something awesome has to happen".

 

A lot of stuff was grossly exagerated.  Hawke being the most important person on thedas is likely one of them.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah but remember DA2 was also  "when you push a button something awesome has to happen".

 

A lot of stuff was grossly exagerated.  Hawke being the most important person on thedas is likely one of them.

 

To be fair when you did push a button something awesome happened

[Joseph Warrick]

At the end of DA2 Leliana asks "and Hawke?" and Cassandra says "Gone. Just like the warden". It would make no sense for Hawke to be at the conclave.

[AlanC9]

At the end of DA2 Leliana asks "and Hawke?" and Cassandra says "Gone. Just like the warden". It would make no sense for Hawke to be at the conclave.

How dare you bring sense into this!

[zambingo]

The end of DA2 is a year prior to the Conclave. The end of DA2 just means their whereabouts were unknown at that time. Granted that continues on into DAI, but it wouldn't be a requirement based on that dialogue.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Inquisitor is just "blah" and I don't know why. My guess is that they do nothing but "win" from the moment you start playing them.

I'd say that's part of it. Fundamentally, the Inquisitor is a character that is here for one thing: to close that gigantic hole in the sky. Besides literally being the only person with the means of achieving that, they were handpicked by a divine entity. You, as a player, learn all of that in the beginning moments of the game. That is, the game starts off telling you that this character is exceptionally powerful and important, and you should do what you are told to save the world because Andraste says you are the only one who can. Next, you proceed to play the rest of the game under that supposition and nothing else.

 

Come to think of it, that's where it all falls apart. If the game is dictating that this character is important and should be seen as such, then that's unlikely to cause you, the player, to care. Whether or not a character is powerful or important is something that the player should decide themselves by progressing through the narrative. If the game is deciding that for you, as is the case with DA:I, then the character in question will inevitably be treated as such, regardless of what you think of them. You quickly end up losing interest because you can't relate to a character that is being presented in a certain way, one that most likely does not align with your own perspective of this character.

 

Neither the Warden nor Hawke was presented as such, and I personally found it far easier to connect with and RP them than I was able to with either of my current Inquisitors. I think this is especially true with Hawke, who I still believe is the most relatable character in the series, as they are, quite literally, the exact opposite of the Inquisitor in terms of characterization.

[DreamSever]

the story suited hawke more imo, its an enemy he/she knows and I miss being sarcastic to people in the game

[thesuperdarkone2]

I wonder what parts of the exalted march expansion were added to Inquisition. I don't know how any of what Hawke did could be part of the expansion.

[Joseph Warrick]

you do know that there was an expansion planned for DA2 set after the main story right?
thats where stuff like that would have been explained

Please fill me in on the details of the plot for that non existent dlc, I didn't know the writers had published the cancelled plans for it. You must have read them somewhere, right?

[Jones7602]

There is another thread covering that topic, it contains a link to David Gaiders blog stating that some of the events e.g. the Temple of Mythal of the DLC were transferred into DAI. That is one of the core moments of the story. My best guess is, that what we got is actually an exaggerated version of the once planned DLC as a new game. So from a certain point of view DAI is more likely a DA2.5. And the whole story would make a hell lot of more sense, with Hawke as the protagonist.