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[SunburnedPenguin]

I never called you such name. Please learn to read before you accuse me of calling you names. I simply said that your post was childish (calling us entitled, whiny little brats?!??!?!) considering the fact that you expect us to just forget about all of these game breaking glitches among other things.

 

This is a game indeed.. but a 60+ dollar game that we paid good money to play. Perhaps you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth, but some of us work hard for our money.

 

Are you fracking kidding me lol.

 

Sweetheart, I am as working class as it comes. I paid the cheapest pre-order for this game that I could find, because gaming is a hobby I enjoy and a nice little escapism but I have never seen a silver spoon let alone been born with one. Let me put it into perspective for you with some real complaints I have had to make this last month alone;

1. Major battle with British gas for continuing to take money every top up for a debt I pad off months ago, leaving me and my young daughter without heating, gas oven, or hot water for 3 whole days.
2. Having to decide between staying in my 28 hour a week, minimum wage job that I absolutely love but cant really afford the childcare for, or taking a 40+ hour a week job that is 4 times the salary but also 4 times more time away from my daughter.
3. £5 left for 2 days - challenge is to buy food for 2 days that is healthy and not full of crap.

If anyone can claim to 'need' the escapism of a game, its people like me. You are wasting your energy and time and anger on something as trivial as ****** pyjamas in a game - that tells me YOU have the silver spoon in your mouth.

 

Grow up and get real, seriously.

 

It is one thing to have some constructive criticism about a GAME. It is another to act like your whole world has been turned upside down and your life is ruined because of a few glitches and bugs.

 

Glitches and bugs are what happens with new games. Always. Every time.

 

If that is so soul destroying for you, maybe you should find a new hobby. Something that does not rely on anyone else. I can recommend knitting.

 

Oh and by the way, you did say "I find your post to be rather offensive, and yet very childish" so yes, that is calling me childish. Sod the semantics.

[mLIQUID]

Us po' folk revolutionize the medium. Don't over-indulge in their pessimism penguin rocker girl. This forum will deplete your soul, but I'm attached.  People on consoles have the most legitimate claims to short-comings. They have very little control over their experience from a technical stand point. If you're on a PC shame on you... learn your environment. As for the other parts of the game... I think if you didn't get anything out of this game you weren't ready for a good experience to start. Petition me as your overlord. I'll play your much needed fiddle for some gaming hardware. I really didn't find it all that hard to configure, run, and enjoy the whole thing. I certainly didn't rely on anyone else for confirmation.

[JaegerBane]

Whining, entitled, spoiled, demanding grown up brats you say? When you're supporting a gaming industry with your hard earned money that you earned in a week salary... Don't you think we deserve to vent out our frustrations over a product that we purchased? Being entitled? You're damn right! We are entitled to expect a game to be working 100%. Call us spoiled or whatever immature name you can think of. The fact to the matter is without us Bioware or EA would cease to exist.
 
We deserve better and not to be ignored.

While I agree that something being a game doesn't mean it gets a get-out-of-jail-free card, expecting games to be 100% working isn't realistic. Expecting any kind of brand new software of any complexity to be 100% is unrealistic. In the grand scheme of things, particularly in the slew of 2014 releases where games were being released which were literally not in a functional state, DA:I is hardly the worst example.

[Frenrihr]

Are you fracking kidding me lol.

 

Sweetheart, I am as working class as it comes. I paid the cheapest pre-order for this game that I could find, because gaming is a hobby I enjoy and a nice little escapism but I have never seen a silver spoon let alone been born with one. Let me put it into perspective for you with some real complaints I have had to make this last month alone;

1. Major battle with British gas for continuing to take money every top up for a debt I pad off months ago, leaving me and my young daughter without heating, gas oven, or hot water for 3 whole days.
2. Having to decide between staying in my 28 hour a week, minimum wage job that I absolutely love but cant really afford the childcare for, or taking a 40+ hour a week job that is 4 times the salary but also 4 times more time away from my daughter.
3. £5 left for 2 days - challenge is to buy food for 2 days that is healthy and not full of crap.

If anyone can claim to 'need' the escapism of a game, its people like me. You are wasting your energy and time and anger on something as trivial as ****** pyjamas in a game - that tells me YOU have the silver spoon in your mouth.

 

Grow up and get real, seriously.

 

It is one thing to have some constructive criticism about a GAME. It is another to act like your whole world has been turned upside down and your life is ruined because of a few glitches and bugs.

 

Glitches and bugs are what happens with new games. Always. Every time.

 

If that is so soul destroying for you, maybe you should find a new hobby. Something that does not rely on anyone else. I can recommend knitting.

 

Oh and by the way, you did say "I find your post to be rather offensive, and yet very childish" so yes, that is calling me childish. Sod the semantics.

 

I present to you:

 

"The words of incoherence"

[DaemionMoadrin]

There is nothing wrong with a customer who expects their product to work like advertised. Yes, we are fully entitled to get a game that works, is relatively bug free and meets the expectations put in place by the company which developed it.

 

Does it have to be perfect, the best ever and make us 100% happy? No. But there are some minimum standards every customer is entitled to and one of them is that the product works. People who get stuck in the main quest, people who crash during every cutscene, people who have important NPCs vanish into nowhere and people who are in physical pain from trying to play this game with mouse and keyboard are fully entitled to complain about it.

[mLIQUID]

I made a very lengthy tutorial on the absolute best key config imaginable. PC controls never ship with optimal settings. I've never played a single game in 20 years that had default controls worth a damn. The only problem is that you'll need someone to teach you how to use them effectively. Combat strategy is an element of controls that is lost in a written tutorial. If I had the equipment I'd be on youtube with all you need. I think it's the best 3rd person controls I've ever used in pc game with a mouse.. especially since I can use tactical in real-time without a hitch. Keybindings and sensitivity controls are your responsibility as a PC gamer... comes with the territory.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I made a very lengthy tutorial on the absolute best key config imaginable. PC controls never ship with optimal settings. I've never played a single game in 20 years that had default controls worth a damn. The only problem is that you'll need someone to teach you how to use them effectively. Combat strategy is an element of controls that is lost in a written tutorial. If I had the equipment I'd be on youtube with all you need. I think it's the best 3rd person controls I've ever used in pc game with a mouse.. especially since I can use tactical in real-time without a hitch. Keybindings and sensitivity controls are your responsibility as a PC gamer... comes with the territory.

 

Your lengthy tutorial was one page long, absolute best is very subjective and I doubt more than a handfull of people play like that.

 

I don't see why that gives you the right to insult people.

[mLIQUID]

because you make claims when answers are put in front of you... you want it dumbed down... use a controller... I gave you the answer don't say it doesn't exist. My subjective is law in just about everything I touch, I don't promote false claims.

[Sidney]

There is nothing wrong with a customer who expects their product to work like advertised. Yes, we are fully entitled to get a game that works, is relatively bug free and meets the expectations put in place by the company which developed it.
 
Does it have to be perfect, the best ever and make us 100% happy? No. But there are some minimum standards every customer is entitled to and one of them is that the product works. People who get stuck in the main quest, people who crash during every cutscene, people who have important NPCs vanish into nowhere and people who are in physical pain from trying to play this game with mouse and keyboard are fully entitled to complain about it.

The notion that this game is unplayable is debatable. I'm sure there are issues for people but truthfully on every game I've ever played, and on the PC in particular, the forums are inevitably clogged with people who are having issues. In the end most people who don't have issues don't post "I'm not having issues!" type posts while those having an issue more often do. We've had 6 playthroughs between my wife and I and we've seen very few substantive issues.

[mLIQUID]

Yes, the voices of reason are shouting towards the heavens or enjoying the after-glow... not rolling around here in the depths of hell... I agree. I really can't help myself. They are so intent on official nose wiping they can't just look for answers.

[Elsariel]

The notion that this game is unplayable is debatable. I'm sure there are issues for people but truthfully on every game I've ever played, and on the PC in particular, the forums are inevitably clogged with people who are having issues. In the end most people who don't have issues don't post "I'm not having issues!" type posts while those having an issue more often do. We've had 6 playthroughs between my wife and I and we've seen very few substantive issues.

I feel like shouting "I'm not having any issues!" in every post would be disrespectful to those who are having issues. But yeah, I'm one of those who doesn't have issues. Not anything serious anyway. I also play on PC.

[Winged Silver]

Indeed. I hope the issues that do exist for some players get fixed very soon, but it's unreasonable to assume that Bioware has failed everyone because some people are having bugs. For some of us, it's working alright, and hopefully it'll be working for everyone soon enough.

[mLIQUID]

I do let people get to me, but I can't sit there and let them convince the world they are right... it's infuriating. Especially since his "major concern" is something I hashed out and he just said nope that's not it.... I can't do that. Well quite frankly it's a game with 34 ****** combat commands... get on board or do something else.

 

Ahhh see, now that was therapeutic... I feel much better now.

[RINNZ]

Holy ****, all this venom is gonna kill us one day.



Oops, I said us. I don't speak for everyone. I meant me.

Kappa

[Lord Raijin]

Are you fracking kidding me lol.

 

Sweetheart, I am as working class as it comes. I paid the cheapest pre-order for this game that I could find, because gaming is a hobby I enjoy and a nice little escapism but I have never seen a silver spoon let alone been born with one. Let me put it into perspective for you with some real complaints I have had to make this last month alone;

1. Major battle with British gas for continuing to take money every top up for a debt I pad off months ago, leaving me and my young daughter without heating, gas oven, or hot water for 3 whole days.
2. Having to decide between staying in my 28 hour a week, minimum wage job that I absolutely love but cant really afford the childcare for, or taking a 40+ hour a week job that is 4 times the salary but also 4 times more time away from my daughter.
3. £5 left for 2 days - challenge is to buy food for 2 days that is healthy and not full of crap.

If anyone can claim to 'need' the escapism of a game, its people like me. You are wasting your energy and time and anger on something as trivial as ****** pyjamas in a game - that tells me YOU have the silver spoon in your mouth.

 

Grow up and get real, seriously.

 

It is one thing to have some constructive criticism about a GAME. It is another to act like your whole world has been turned upside down and your life is ruined because of a few glitches and bugs.

 

Glitches and bugs are what happens with new games. Always. Every time.

 

If that is so soul destroying for you, maybe you should find a new hobby. Something that does not rely on anyone else. I can recommend knitting.

 

Oh and by the way, you did say "I find your post to be rather offensive, and yet very childish" so yes, that is calling me childish. Sod the semantics.

 

The one who needs to grow up is you. You're not the only person on this planet with real life problems. In fact yours is considered minor comparing to others out there so stop feeling sorry for yourself because you're not getting a tear out of me. You do not have the right to take out your frusterations out on other people, especially on this forum.

 

As far as your accusation of me calling you chilish (again I did not I simply said that your post was chilish, NOT YOU!!!!!!) you have some nerve considering the fact that in your post @ http://forum.bioware...6#entry18428551you essentinally called us a whining, entitled, spoiled, demanding grown up brats. Which is how a lot of people in this thread are acting, actually.

 

You can't seem to understand that many of us are not accepting game breaking glitches from a game that is suppose to be working, and was suppose to be rigorously tested by the beta testers prior to the final release to the public. You may think it's acceptable, not not all of us agrees. We didn't spend 60+ dollars to be beta testers. In fact it should be the other way around. Bioware should be paying us to play their games, and report bugs and glitches.

 

 

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Modifié par Lord Raijin, 21 janvier 2015 - 10:13 .

[DaemionMoadrin]

because you make claims when answers are put in front of you... you want it dumbed down... use a controller... I gave you the answer don't say it doesn't exist. My subjective is law in just about everything I touch, I don't promote false claims.

 

The first thing I did was changing the keybindings. I am not saying -I- am having problems, but I know several people who do. Is there a reason why you are so aggressive and condescending? It surely doesn't help you to get taken seriously. Borderline troll.

 

The notion that this game is unplayable is debatable. I'm sure there are issues for people but truthfully on every game I've ever played, and on the PC in particular, the forums are inevitably clogged with people who are having issues. In the end most people who don't have issues don't post "I'm not having issues!" type posts while those having an issue more often do. We've had 6 playthroughs between my wife and I and we've seen very few substantive issues.

 

Debatable? Sure. You should debate it with the old gen console gamers.

 

This game isn't even remotely optimized for PC. If you have a PC that is way better than the minimum specs, you'll likely have no problems except for the DirectX 11 issue when you try for ultra settings.

 

X-Box One and PS4 have similiar hardware: custom 1.75/1.66 GHz 8 core AMD CPU, custom AMD Radeon GPU, 8 GB DDR3/5 RAM.

Considering that the console OS uses up to 3.5 GB of RAM for itself, can someone explain to me why the specs for PC are so much higher? It certaintly explains why they are pushing AMD's Mantle on PC though.

DA:I was optimized for AMD hardware, using Mantle. DirectX/NVIDIA has problems.

 

 

Rest of the thread:

There is a difference between "I'm having a few issues with the game" and "I can't finish the game because of issues.", true. But telling people they shouldn't complain because they are only a minority... seriously, do I need to explain why that's wrong?

Why do people think this is different because it's a game? Is this not a product purchased with money?

If a car company had some problems during production and 5% of the cars produced on that line had a transmission that would lock up after 1000km, would you still tell the customers that it's not a big issue, because almost all the other cars aren't having problems?

 

An issue that doesn't affect you personally can still be a real problem for other people. 

[mLIQUID]

Again, I would like to see your pc specs, installed programs, and temperature readings. I bet your settings are aggressive for your equipment. I have an i7950 with a gtx660ti and I'm holding 50-60 fps on high settings apart from tessellation at medium and textures at ultra. Optimization is the other common word for I didn't do much.

[BioWareMod03]

Hey everyone. Let's keep it civil in here. Thank you.

[mLIQUID]

I already said that the people with a right to complain are those with a console because they have no control over their experience. Pc is a broad spectrum of hardware profiles so "optimizing" for one is not a possibility. However, most who complain are low-end or without the ability to configure it properly. Optimization is a buzz word for idk what I'm doing more often than not. It's thrown out there without a lot of feedback on their settings. That's not being combative that's a viable point. Instead of making a thread called not optimized for PC wouldn't it be smarter to say... This is my hardware any tips on how to run this well? That's the bottom line, it's my point that people don't want solutions they want a parade and an apology for not hitting the ground running. That's just not how PC games work... ever.

 

I'll be done now mod, sorry for turning this thread into yet another flame war, but I don't generally sit by and let accusations fly without a strong backing. Please keep it open for the OP I will leave it be. It's a much needed positive thread.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I already said that the people with a right to complain are those with a console because they have no control over their experience. Pc is a broad spectrum of hardware profiles so "optimizing" for one is not a possibility. However, most who complain are low-end or without the ability to configure it properly. Optimization is a buzz word for idk what I'm doing more often than not. It's thrown out there without a lot of feedback on their settings. That's not being combative that's a viable point. Instead of making a thread called not optimized for PC wouldn't it be smarter to say... This is my hardware any tips on how to run this well? That's the bottom line, it's my point that people don't want solutions they want a parade and an apology for not hitting the ground running. That's just not how PC games work... ever.

 

Of course you can optimize for PC, even if it is indeed a buzzword. It's just not as easy as it is for consoles.

All Windows PCs use DirectX, you can make sure that your game runs smoothly using that. Next would be making sure that your game runs stable using the current NVIDIA and ATI/AMD drivers.

It's a problem when you concentrate these efforts on AMD's Mantle and don't pay as much attention to the current standard. DA:I runs much better using Mantle than under DirectX. Yes, you'd need DirectX 12 to compete with Mantle but there's still room for improvement. If the engine can't handle ultra settings with DirectX11, then those settings need to be disabled ingame.

 

The time where you had to consider every single possible hardware combination is gone since we have unified standards and interfaces (like DirectX) now. Sure, there are still a lot of differences between the systems, mainly the OS they are running but overall this is not as complex or complicated as it used to be.

 

Btw... the PC I'm using for DA:I is more than enough to handle the game. Since you asked earlier: Core i7 2600k, MSI GTX770, 32GB RAM, Win7 prof.

First time I started the game, I set everything to ultra, ran the benchmark, got 5x fps average and started to play. Sound was borked and at the end of the cutscene the game crashed to desktop with a DirectX error. Next attempt crashed a few minutes later, telling me I had run out of RAM. Because clearly, 32GB were not enough?

I changed the settings, first four are still on ultra/fade touched, the rest on high or whatever the 2nd best is. Still at 5x fps in the benchmark. It runs stable like that.

 

I shouldn't have crashed the first two times and I'm not the only one who got the CTD DirectX error. It's not the temperature or voltage, it's not some crap running in the background, it's not a hardware limitation. It's plain and simple a problem of DA:I incorrectly addressing DirectX.

[mLIQUID]

A 770 is a mid option at time of release, it's not going to age well. I highly doubt there's going to be a AAA in 2015 you will max. Again not combative, just with a mid level purchase like the k series processors and x50-70 series NVidia cards you're looking at a shorter lifespan. With your performance goals you're already over-due for an upgrade. Hey, I run a 2nd hand 660ti and  I got 60 frames with fairly decent options. How could I complain in early 2015 with that? I'm in prayer mode for The Witcher and don't think you're maxing that out or even close. Will there be a playable solution, yes,  but your optimization is a norm there are too many chipsets and is the inherit problem with any pc game. More power is the only solution that's ever been presented in my entire 20 years of pc gaming. Your argument is they take the engine down to scratch to accommodate a single chipset or GPU architecture. It's not logical or a realistic request. If you want more you must buy more welcome to PC gaming  EA is aligned with AMD, why because Steam aligned with NVidia. Way of the world. I will tell you this, AMD customers have 10x the problems running games optimized for NVidia. I think the next few years will compound that issue. I would get used to it.

[Shechinah]

(to Rinnz) Sometimes you end up building a resistance to it.

[DaemionMoadrin]

A 770 is a mid option at time of release, it's not going to age well. I highly doubt there's going to be a AAA in 2015 you will max. Again not combative, just with a mid level purchase like the k series processors and x50-70 series NVidia cards you're looking at a shorter lifespan. With your performance goals you're already over-due for an upgrade. Hey, I run a 2nd hand 660ti and  I got 60 frames with fairly decent options. How could I complain in early 2015 with that? I'm in prayer mode for The Witcher and don't think you're maxing that out or even close. Will there be a playable solution, yes,  but your optimization is a norm there are too many chipsets and is the inherit problem with any pc game. More power is the only solution that's ever been presented in my entire 20 years of pc gaming. Your argument is they take the engine down to scratch to accommodate a single chipset or GPU architecture. It's not logical or a realistic request. If you want more you must buy more welcome to PC gaming

 

Do you have any idea how old I am? Or how long I've been gaming on PCs? (24 years, ugh I'm old.) This isn't even the best PC I own although it is overclocked. You make it sound like I bought it just a few days ago, but it's more than 3 years old.

 

More power? Yeah, of course. I wouldn't worry too much though. As long as your specs are better than the current gen consoles, you'll do alright. Most games are developed with those in mind.

 

Where did I make such an argument? Your reading comprehension could be better. You won't find consumer software that addresses any hardware directly, you have the OS and its interfaces for that. Graphics and sound are handled by DirectX, for other stuff you have .NET Framework, Visual C++ and so on. Which means a developer has a lot less variables these days. They have to adapt for Win7, Win8 and Win10 and their respective DirectX versions. If you use .NET or Visual C++, you have to take those into account as well. Then the current GPU driver sets. That's just a handfull of combinations. Perhaps the CPU plays a role but from what I can see, that's handled by the OS.

There is no need to take the engine down to scratch, especially not when it's Frostbite 3, which is a crossplatform engine.

[mLIQUID]

I don't see frostbite as being as versatile as you think. It's cross platform which in itself suggests compromise. I just don't think you're going to see a ground up AAA PC title very soon. Compromise is the name of the game. Much more money and gears in the machine than the wild west of PC. I'd rather it the way it stands than to have the EA's and Steam's of the world compartmentalize my gaming. Because it's going that way before too long.

[DaemionMoadrin]

EA is aligned with AMD, why because Steam aligned with NVidia. Way of the world. I will tell you this, AMD customers have 10x the problems running games optimized for NVidia. I think the next few years will compound that issue. I would get used to it.

 

Yeah and that's just stupid. Without EA pushing Mantle into their games, it would never take off. We finally had one standard for everything (well, and OpenGL), now we're back to two.

 

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Yay.