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[Umbar]

I have been playing on Normal and been avoiding dragons until now (currently my Archer Inquisitor is Level 14). Combat hasn't been difficult so far, other than the Alexius fight. Today, I went to Crestwood and tried to take on the Northern Hunter, seeing as it is Level 13 and promptly got party-wiped.

 

I had:

 

Level 14 Archer Rogue Inquisitor

Level 13 Blackwall

Level 13 Varric (overlap, I know)

Level 13 Dorian (mostly fire magic)

 

I am not a RPG expert and I haven't paid much attention to crafting (it's confuddling to me). So, any advice on taking on my first dragon? The generic dragon fighting advice online hasn't been much help so far.

 

[ashwind]

Since generic dragon fight advise doesnt help you, I recommend you watch some youtube videos. 

[PillarBiter]

attack one leg only

don't overlap the purple circles when he casts them

gets as close to the dragon as possible to avoid being damaged by his wing flap attack

get ready to use tac cam a lot

[VilniusNastavnik]

Iron bull. That is all you will ever need. 

Taarsidath-an haslaam...

Seriously get him between the dragons legs and he will keep going at her until she is out.

Or if you are lazy.. bring sera.. Thousand cuts the dragon with a mighty offense potion and it will drop in a single hit.

[sethroskull79]

Dragon fights are fun.  I know people have figured out ways to kill em in 5 seconds.  There is no fun in that, at least not for me.  

[Gigamantis]

For this fight the 2 things you need to do is make sure those electric circles that form around each member of your party don't overlap and make sure your ranged characters stay close to melee range, but away from his head, so they'll be inside the wind circle when the dragon starts flapping his wings. 

 

Of course those 2 goals are completely counterintuitive to each other, because if everyone's in melee range the circles are guaranteed to overlap.  So, you need lots of Dispel and to time barriers effectively while repositioning your whole party every time the dragon moves; which is a lot. 

 

A lot of people say this is the easiest dragon fight, but at an appropriate level with appropriate gear, and not doing things like exploiting Thousand Cuts/Flask of Fire and Mark of Death/Haste, I find him quite annoying on Nightmare. 

[Chadwin]

flask of fire and focus spam

[Viper371]

I have been playing on Normal and been avoiding dragons until now (currently my Archer Inquisitor is Level 14). Combat hasn't been difficult so far, other than the Alexius fight. Today, I went to Crestwood and tried to take on the Northern Hunter, seeing as it is Level 13 and promptly got party-wiped.

 

I had:

 

Level 14 Archer Rogue Inquisitor

Level 13 Blackwall

Level 13 Varric (overlap, I know)

Level 13 Dorian (mostly fire magic)

 

I am not a RPG expert and I haven't paid much attention to crafting (it's confuddling to me). So, any advice on taking on my first dragon? The generic dragon fighting advice online hasn't been much help so far.

1st advice:  wait a little more   I did it when I was level 15-16, it was tough, but I didn't know all the I knew now

2nd advice: make sure you have chosen to upgrade your number of potions so you have 12, not 8. (it's in the war room, when you get enough points to choose new perks)

3rd advice: Bring Iron Bull as a reaver. The dialogue is awesome, but he also has some cool abilities.

4th advice: Bring Vivienne she is a knight enchanter and they have some really cool spells to use against dragons, just search the forum for a proper build (I spec'ed her correctly, but I haven't played in a month, so I don't remember, sorry )  You get close to the dragon and use her abilities, she does massive damage and the fight is over in a few minutes.  Cold spells will help too, but nearly as efficient.

5th advice: Use the potions the reduces fire damage.  Make sure you upgraded them too before going against this dragon.

6th adive: When the dragon flaps his wings, you got to move closer to the dragon, not away, to avoid damage.  As soon as he stops, move away a little bit as he tends to use some aoe abilities to damage all your party.

7th advice: Attack from multiple fronts.  Try to stay on the side of the dragon, one warrior to each side.

8th advice: since you play an archer, I'd bring 2 warriors to the party and Vivienne.  That means, Iron Bull, Blackwall, Vivienne and you.  Use Blackwall's abilities to reduce damage, don't care about doing damage, just make him the focus of the dragon attacks and have the other party members damage the beast.  I hate archers in DA:I because they always go way to close to the ennemy and they are difficult to position correctly, unlike DA:O and DA2.

 

Hope that helps.

[actionhero112]

Dispel. Dispel the electric rings the dragon puts on you so you don't get wrecked. 

[Duelist]

flask of fire and focus spam

This. Or switch to Varric and hit it with Hail of Arrows.

[Chadwin]

This. Or switch to Varric and hit it with Hail of Arrows.

 

At this point there shouldn't be any questions at all on how to beat anything after you get to Skyhold.

[WillieStyle]

Or if you are lazy.. bring sera.. Thousand cuts the dragon with a mighty offense potion and it will drop in a single hit.

This is a bit of hyperbole. I've tried all sorts of combinations of Thousand Cuts, Mighty Offense potions, and Pitch Grenades for the vulnerability. Yet I've never been able to get a Thousand Cuts to do more than half the health of a High Dragon. I think 50% might be hard-coded into the engine.

[Rynas]

This is a bit of hyperbole. I've tried all sorts of combinations of Thousand Cuts, Mighty Offense potions, and Pitch Grenades for the vulnerability. Yet I've never been able to get a Thousand Cuts to do more than half the health of a High Dragon. I think 50% might be hard-coded into the engine.

 

O RLY?

[WillieStyle]

O RLY?

Yes, things like upgraded Static Cage procs or Mark of Death can combine with Thousand Cuts to instagib a Dragon. But Thousand cuts by itself? I haven't managed to do more than 50% hp damage with it.

[VilniusNastavnik]

 

Yes, things like upgraded Static Cage procs or Mark of Death can combine with Thousand Cuts to instagib a Dragon. But Thousand cuts by itself? I haven't managed to do more than 50% hp damage with it.

 

You need to work out a better build then. L2TC. I build sera for criticals as much as possible. 

[WillieStyle]

Again, with and without the vulnerability effect from Pitch grenade, my Thousand Cuts did exactly half the Dragon's health on Nightmare. This isn't about increasing my damage. No amount of damage increase got Thousand Cuts by itself to do more than 50% HP.

Now of course, upgraded static cage causes the target to take 50% weapon damage each time it is struck. Coupled with Thousand cuts, that will instagib a Dragon. But thousand Cuts by itself, I don't believe can do more than 50% of a Dragon's health. I'd love to be proven wrong, but as far as I can tell, all the Rogue speed kill videos used things like upgraded Static Cage or Mark of Death.

[Rynas]

Yes, things like upgraded Static Cage procs or Mark of Death can combine with Thousand Cuts to instagib a Dragon. But Thousand cuts by itself? I haven't managed to do more than 50% hp damage with it.

See the linked video...

[WillieStyle]

See the linked video...

Interesting. Since its a solo kill, they clearly aren't using Static Cage or Mark of Death. But was Thousand Cuts the only ability used? And why pop Flask of Lightening each time? Just for the Elixir boost to damage? I never use Thousand Cuts with Flask of Lightening because I don't like how it messes up the animation. But the elixir boost to damage comes with any flask.

[VilniusNastavnik]

Interesting. Since its a solo kill, they clearly aren't using Static Cage or Mark of Death. But was Thousand Cuts the only ability used? And why pop Flask of Lightening each time? Just for the Elixir boost to damage? I never use Thousand Cuts with Flask of Lightening because I don't like how it messes up the animation. But the elixir boost to damage comes with any flask.

Some people use Flask of lightning, others use Flask of Fire. Fire for no focus use and lightning for well.. get everything before it wakes up. Though sandy howler should not wake up until you actually hit her.

[Rynas]

Interesting. Since its a solo kill, they clearly aren't using Static Cage or Mark of Death. But was Thousand Cuts the only ability used? And why pop Flask of Lightening each time? Just for the Elixir boost to damage? I never use Thousand Cuts with Flask of Lightening because I don't like how it messes up the animation. But the elixir boost to damage comes with any flask.

 

It does mess up the animation, but it seems like the full damage is done.  Yes, it's mostly for the damage boost, and also to keep it from flying off in case you need a Deathblow or two to finish it off.  But it definitely does more than 50%.

 

Abilities were FoL -> Mighty Offense Tonic -> Stealth -> Thousand Cuts, plus Flask of Fire -> Deathblow spam if needed.  The latter probably wouldn't be needed if you threw a Pitch Grenade first.  Or if the daggers had runes or masterworks in them.

 

It sounds like maybe you weren't using the Tonic, or maybe your gear could be improved?

[WillieStyle]

-EDIT-

Sigh right back at you. I did see the might offense potion. I mentioned using it myself. What I asked us if any other skills were used.

[VilniusNastavnik]

Sigh right back at you. I did see the might offense potion. I mentioned using it myself. What I asked us if any other skills were used.

Yeah, that is why I -EDIT-ed  the post. I misread and fixed it.

If you are stuck for damage, throw down Flask of Fire, it causes no focus to be used so you can spam it as long as you have FoF active.

[Chadwin]

just chest exploit to put every single ability there is on your guy

tier 3 stuff with dragon slaying runes and fade touched varghest scales and phoenix scales

fully upgraded mighty potion

then thousand cuts him from stealth/flanking

[WillieStyle]

It does mess up the animation, but it seems like the full damage is done. Yes, it's mostly for the damage boost, and also to keep it from flying off in case you need a Deathblow or two to finish it off. But it definitely does more than 50%.

Abilities were FoL -> Mighty Offense Tonic -> Stealth -> Thousand Cuts, plus Flask of Fire -> Deathblow spam if needed. The latter probably wouldn't be needed if you threw a Pitch Grenade first. Or if the daggers had runes or masterworks in them.

It sounds like maybe you weren't using the Tonic, or maybe your gear could be improved?

Thanks. I definitely used the Tonic and Pitch grenades. But I used Flask of Fire not Lightening. Maybe some hits whif with flask of fire when the dragon moves? I'veanagrd to two shot all the dragons. That is, finish them off with a few Drath Blows after thousand cuts ended. I've just never managed to do more than 50% with Thousand cuts. I'll try again tonight. But it will have to be with the dragon in the Storm Coast. The one in the hissing Wastes is dead in all my saves.

[WillieStyle]

Yeah, that is why I -EDIT-ed the post. I misread and fixed it.

If you are stuck for damage, throw down Flask of Fire, it causes no focus to be used so you can spam it as long as you have FoF active.

Thanks but I'm not stuck for damage. We're talking about how to solo kill a high dragon in 3 seconds instead of seven.