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[Display Name Owner]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it said at some point (by Vigil I think) that the Catalyst was moved to the Citadel at some point? So they existed independently at some point at least, which combined with the Catalyst's not doing anything would suggest it only has at most partial control over the Citadel.

[Ithurael]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it said at some point (by Vigil I think) that the Catalyst was moved to the Citadel at some point? So they existed independently at some point at least, which combined with the Catalyst's not doing anything would suggest it only has at most partial control over the Citadel.

 

Do you mean Vendetta? Even then he says that the Citadel/Catalyst was moved to earth.

 

That was never said in the Vigil convo:

[Display Name Owner]

Vendetta, that's the one I meant. The one you speak to on Thessia and Chronos.

[Xn xN7x]

I remember vigil maybe in the next mass effect game we will get to revisit IIlos

[Tonymac]

I remember vigil maybe in the next mass effect game we will get to revisit IIlos

 

I really liked Ilos.  ME1 was such an amazing game - especially given its age.  Even the music in it was spot on.  

[Mcfly616]

The Catalyst is independent of the Citadel. The Citadel only came into existence after the very first harvest and the creation of the Reapers.

[Mcfly616]

Do you mean Vendetta? Even then he says that the Citadel/Catalyst was moved to earth.

 

 

 Yeah, and Vendetta isn't talking about the Reaper AI. It refers to the Citadel station itself as the "Catalyst", something that precipitates an event, something that increases the rate of the reaction caused by the Crucible. That's it.

[Linkenski]

I'm just a bit afraid that moving the timeline too much ahead will make Mass Effect a shadow of its former glory. I feel like the further it moves away from the present time (yeah yeah I know 180 years is a long time from now) the less appealing it becomes somehow.

 

I wish we could recapture that joy and relation to being a Human protagonist and discovering parts of the galaxy for the first time as him/her again. ME1 and ME2 had that wonder of discovering entirely new places Shepard hadn't been to before. I'm hoping NextME recaptures that.

[rapscallioness]

Well, OP, as someone mentioned already it's really Leviathan behind all this. However, I think Leviathan is quite interesting, and very dangerous.

 

They are very powerful. Very ancient. And very arrogant. Even after they hid like cowards for millions of years while the rest of the galaxy suffered because of them. They shoulda QA tested that Catalyst more before they launched. But they can't even admit it. They can't even perceive it because they are so full of themselves they think they can do no wrong. That's dangerous.

 

After I met Leviathan and listened to them prattle on, I admit, more than the Catalyst, more than even the Reapers, I wanted to pimp slap them the most.

 

The only thing keeping those guys in check was the Reapers. With the Reapers gone--and IF ME moves forward--what now with them? I don't see them being content with hanging out in their aquarium, swimming around little pirate themed castles.

 

They are far too jackwagon for that.

[Ithurael]

 Yeah, and Vendetta isn't talking about the Reaper AI. It refers to the Citadel station itself as the "Catalyst", something that precipitates an event, something that increases the rate of the reaction caused by the Crucible. That's it.

 

Yeah. That makes sense. At that point in time both the gamer and shepard were looking for this Catalyst component to the crucible (as it was described early on that the Catalyst was what focused the energy of the crucible)

 

Then we meet vendetta and find it is the Citadel - Ah. That makes sense (now why no one suspected this before...I will let that go lol)

 

Then we meet godkid and we find:

"I am the Catalyst" - oh...

 

"No, the citadel is part of me" - ummm ok well that could be an issue, I guess so long as you don't have any direct connection to the reap-

 

"I embody the collective consciousness of all reapers" - crap...GG  *throws hands in the air

[spinachdiaper]

The Next ME should start at Liara's death (about 1000 years after ME3), while dying she passes the torch to the new Main Character and let's the cat out of the bag...

The Reapers are back!

[SimonTheFrog]

Very handy summary of ME1 lore and plot.

 

Thanks for collecting that data.

 

So, to get your point clear:

The protheans installed the small relay at the pond prior to being reaped as part of the mass relay research project?

 

They were able to hack the keepers to ignore the small relay?

 

They were unaware that the citadel is a massive relay in itself, right?

 

Why did they install a small relay into the pond? That is hardly a good environment for high-risk advanced teleportation research

 

i really REALLY hope ME:N will have somebody look over the logic behind the main plot. ME1-3 is so fubar it's actually irritating.

[Tonymac]

Thanks for collecting that data.

 

So, to get your point clear:

The protheans installed the small relay at the pond prior to being reaped as part of the mass relay research project?

 

They were able to hack the keepers to ignore the small relay?

 

They were unaware that the citadel is a massive relay in itself, right?

 

Why did they install a small relay into the pond? That is hardly a good environment for high-risk advanced teleportation research

 

i really REALLY hope ME:N will have somebody look over the logic behind the main plot. ME1-3 is so fubar it's actually irritating.

 

You have got most of it - and its not so bad of an idea if you think about it.  

 

Where is the best place to hide things?  In plain sight! 

 

The Protheans were onto something, and it would seem that they wanted to know about Mass Relay technology.   Perhaps they were beginning to think that the Mass Relay network was a trap.  When the Reapers arrived they switched off the Mass Relays for the Protheans.  From that point on it was a lost battle for the Protheans; they had been divided.

[SimonTheFrog]

But it really IS in plain sight. It's right there... in the pond

 

Anyhow... we are really greateful then that the protheans put highly unstable and untested technology with immense power-consumption and capabilities of massive destruction (see "The arrival") right into the most densly populated area of the galaxy: the citadel park area for no other reason than a hunch that maybe the citadel might be a trap for something... someone...

 

That is some way to save the day.

[Tonymac]

But it really IS in plain sight. It's right there... in the pond

 

Anyhow... we are really greateful then that the protheans put highly unstable and untested technology with immense power-consumption and capabilities of massive destruction (see "The arrival") right into the most densly populated area of the galaxy: the citadel park area for no other reason than a hunch that maybe the citadel might be a trap for something... someone...

 

That is some way to save the day.

 

It was a plot device, and it was written in with a lot of thought - unlike those Dogfart endings in ME3.

 

In the beginning of ME1 when you meet Tali is when you first find out about the Conduit.  Captain Anderson thinks its a weapon.  Saren wants to find it, and you only find out way later in the game why Saren was looking for it - because he is indoctrinated.  The whole deal about the Conduit being found is because Sovereign wants to know why the Citadel won't respond to his commands to spring the invasion trap.

 

Meanwhile, although Saren is wanted for arrest - he can use the Conduit as a surprise back door onto the Citadel.   Saren uses his Geth invasion forces in order to get to the Citadel Master Control Panel.   Sovereign showing up with the rest of the Geth Fleet had the whole shop upside down and even the Council evacuated.

 

You just barely save the day as Commander Shepard - all of it over figuring out what the Conduit was and why it even exists.  I thought it was Masterfully written.

[SimonTheFrog]

Yes, you are talking about the conduit, though. Which, according to my understanding is the thingbijingy on ilos where we drive our mako into. Or maybe the whole project.

 

I'm talking about that relay statue thing in the pond of the citadel. Which is a part of the advanced secret technology research project. It's like building a fusion reactor prototype right in central park, next to all the homeless people, ducks and dog-poo. Why would you do that?

 

 

 

Edit: in any case I agree that this is minor to the mindboggling state the ME universe was in after the catalyst has been introduced.

[Tonymac]

Yes, you are talking about the conduit, though. Which, according to my understanding is the thingbijingy on ilos where we drive our mako into. Or maybe the whole project.

 

I'm talking about that relay statue thing in the pond of the citadel. Which is a part of the advanced secret technology research project. It's like building a fusion reactor prototype right in central park, next to all the homeless people, ducks and dog-poo. Why would you do that?

 

To hide it!  The best place to hide things is in plain sight.  Its not a Relay Statue, its a Relay.

 

Besides, its not a Reactor, although it does make Kaidan's teeth tingle (more ME1 squad banter).

 

If it were not for the Conduit the 12 Protheans could not have made it back to the Citadel to change the signal the Keepers respond to.  We would all have been wiped out if not for them.  Sovereign had already called for the trap to be sprung - and the whole story of ME1 can be looked at from the point of view of the player finding out what happened 50,000 years ago.  The Conduit is both the relay statue on the Citadel and the relay on Ilos.  Every hallway must have an entrance and an exit - and thats all the conduit is: all hallway from Ilos to the Citadel.

 

Sovereign wanted the Conduit so that it could figure out what went wrong with the Citadel trap.  But, Sovereign has to use minions because for one it is 2 kilometers long (and won't fit on an elevator) and also that no one is supposed to know the Reapers exist until they arrive in force.

[SimonTheFrog]

To hide it!  The best place to hide things is in plain sight.  Its not a Relay Statue, its a Relay.

 

Besides, its not a Reactor, although it does make Kaidan's teeth tingle (more ME1 squad banter).

 

If it were not for the Conduit the 12 Protheans could not have made it back to the Citadel to change the signal the Keepers respond to.  We would all have been wiped out if not for them.  Sovereign had already called for the trap to be sprung - and the whole story of ME1 can be looked at from the point of view of the player finding out what happened 50,000 years ago.  The Conduit is both the relay statue on the Citadel and the relay on Ilos.  Every hallway must have an entrance and an exit - and thats all the conduit is: all hallway from Ilos to the Citadel.

 

Sovereign wanted the Conduit so that it could figure out what went wrong with the Citadel trap.  But, Sovereign has to use minions because for one it is 2 kilometers long (and won't fit on an elevator) and also that no one is supposed to know the Reapers exist until they arrive in force.

 

 

Since the forum is a bit slow these days it cool to discuss even smaller details like this i guess

 

So.... yes, i get your point: it's vital for the story to work to have the "backdoor"-relay into the citadel which is not part of the "official" reaper relay network.

And i also get why it would be necessary to hide it.

 

And i also think it was kinda cool to let the player wonder what that "statue" is before it was finally revealed to be a fully functional relay.

 

I get all that. But still i find it a very poorly concepted part of the whole plan to have the protheans build a mass relay into the gardens of the citadel. Like i said before: they were still researching the technology. And as i also said before: it is a very unstable technology with risk of devastating explosions (like it happened in "The arrival"). This kind of research you put somewhere safe. At least put a "warning! Don't mess with this thing"-sign next to it. Otherwise you get somebody to drives his vehicle into that thing under the influence, or some re-conconstruction team thinks it would be best to move that thing 100m to the left, or somebody uses it as target practice.... It is just not believable at all that this kind of technology is simply put into a public place, unguarded.

[Tonymac]

Since the forum is a bit slow these days it cool to discuss even smaller details like this i guess

 

So.... yes, i get your point: it's vital for the story to work to have the "backdoor"-relay into the citadel which is not part of the "official" reaper relay network.

And i also get why it would be necessary to hide it.

 

And i also think it was kinda cool to let the player wonder what that "statue" is before it was finally revealed to be a fully functional relay.

 

I get all that. But still i find it a very poorly concepted part of the whole plan to have the protheans build a mass relay into the gardens of the citadel. Like i said before: they were still researching the technology. And as i also said before: it is a very unstable technology with risk of devastating explosions (like it happened in "The arrival"). This kind of research you put somewhere safe. At least put a "warning! Don't mess with this thing"-sign next to it. Otherwise you get somebody to drives his vehicle into that thing under the influence, or some re-conconstruction team thinks it would be best to move that thing 100m to the left, or somebody uses it as target practice.... It is just not believable at all that this kind of technology is simply put into a public place, unguarded.

 

Actually, if you were going to have a relay hiding in plain sight, you'd use the statue ploy.  I'll tell you why - and it is elegant and simple.  Why a park area, you ask?  The answer is:  It's a common area.  It cannot be isolated.  From there you have full access to all of the citadel - even the Presidium.  

 

You'd also would not want to attract attention to it with signs and all.  The Keepers already ignore it.  Having it mounted on a pedestrian walkway prevents drunks from hitting it - although to break it you'd need more than a car.  The crack it open and get to the Eezo core you'd need an asteroid moving pretty fast.

 

Placing the Conduit in this manner was pretty smart - because it plays off of the Reapers trick too.  The Citadel is in plain sight, and we are fooled into thinking that we control it - yet it is a trap.

[SimonTheFrog]

Well, i guess the lines between insanity and genius are even more blurry in ME-U as they are in the real world

[Tonymac]

Well, i guess the lines between insanity and genius are even more blurry in ME-U as they are in the real world

 

Welcome to the world of Science Fiction.

[Xn xN7x]

The real scary thing here above all is now that the reapers are out of the way. Leviathan where the ones who created the reapers which therefore are in someway a reaper of its own. Now with the machines out of the way who is to say levi dont take over with no army strong enough to fight them if they decided to overthrow humas and all species O:

[SimonTheFrog]

The real scary thing here above all is now that the reapers are out of the way. Leviathan where the ones who created the reapers which therefore are in someway a reaper of its own. Now with the machines out of the way who is to say levi dont take over with no army strong enough to fight them if they decided to overthrow humas and all species O:

 

In control or synthesis they are not O:-)

[Tonymac]

What is scary to me is that the people who came up with stuff like the conduit and all (ME1) are all gone now. What we are left with  is the supposed talent that made the endings to ME3.  I'll just say that a lot of ties have been cut.

[GalacticWolf5]

Leviathan where the ones who created the reapers which therefore are in someway a reaper of its own.

The Leviathans didn't create the Reapers. They created an Intelligence (the Catalyst), it then created pawns which it used to harvest the Leviathans and create the first Reaper (Harbinger).