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[jlb524]

The qunari was hired as a merc so their appearance makes sense.

[DreamSever]

An Elven Inquisitor, specifically an Elven Mage Woman Inquisitor most definitely in my opinion fits the story of DAI more. I have discussed this at length before but to summarize, The Elven Mage Woman Inquisitor has more personal stake in various events and themes throughout the game than any other race/class/gender combination. She can personally relate to Mages, as an Elf has personal racial history with Tevinter and Corypheus, she is the only one who can romance the Dread Wolf himself and as she states, the Vir'abelasan is her legacy as an Elf.

Its what i love about it at the moment , i love the joking around with fem elf and solas, shows another side to him, which my males never got

[Tidus]

jlb524, Why would  a mercenary be needed? 

 

I can justify a Elven rogue and a dwarf but,unless I missed something I'm still puzzled why a Qunari was needed.

[Lazarillo]

Honestly, I feel like humans are most suited to the game's story, rather than elves.  For one, the elf excuse to be at the Conclave is pretty flimsy.  Humans and Qunaris make the most sense when you look at the "why would they even be there" excuse.  I can sort of handwave/headcanon it that Solas may have actually convinced Clan Lavellan to send someone through dream manipulation, for some secret of his own, but it still seems like a pretty shaky reason.  As far as the themes of faith go, Human and Elf Quizzies fit best, since both have to make interesting confrontations with their assumed faiths.  The revelations regarding the story will shake the beliefs of a "normal" Human or Dalish on a pretty fundamental level.  The third and final bit point, though, and what tips the scale even more towards Human for me, is the way so many of the revelations play out.  It just feels like the story goes more naturally as an outsider learning of the various events of Elven history.  Similarly, some of the response that can be made at the end of JoH feels more impactful, in some ways, for a non-Elven Inquisitor.

 

That all said, there's still a lot of reason to play an Elf, too, so it's not like any of the backgrounds are failures, really.  I especially have been enjoying my current playthrough, where I'm deliberately trying to play an elf that can both romance and serve as sort of a foil to Solas.  A friend-to-all-living-things Quizzie who loves what she learns from him, but still sees the good points of present day Thedas.  And it's working really, really well.

[DreamSever]

jlb524, Why would  a mercenary be needed? 

 

I can justify a Elven rogue and a dwarf but,unless I missed something I'm still puzzled why a Qunari was needed.

Threnn said leliana hired your group, its a decent background to be fair, dwarf makes no sense though

[colemanshane]

I'd argue each race has it's own places that slightly change the theme of the narrative.
I played a devoutly religious Qunari Rogue, she believed she was the Herald of Andraste and I felt it fit really well. It gives the story a theme of "The Maker works in strange ways" and how Quizzy defies all expectations.

[Tidus]

DreamSever,Thanks! Must have missed that.

 

The dwarf is a member of a carta and is a smuggler this comes to light when Josie questions her/him about his criminal connections. Seems to have been a rumor floating around about the Herald being a member of a carta. My thoughts is the dwarf smuggled lyrium into the conclave and was caught in the explosion. Why else would a smuggler be there?

 

I played a dwarf test game but,IMHO the dwarf doesn't fit the story line all that well but, makes scout Lace Harden's day brighter especially the flirtation.. I also did a test game with a female human and that was ok but,lack something.. My current Qunari game seems wrong at least to me..

 

The story line seems to lean toward a elf  female mage inquisitor though.

[Neria Rose]

As someone who greatly prefers human PCs, my canon is a female elf mage Inquisitor romancing Solas. After having played her, I can't imagine any other character fitting the role so perfectly.

[Kimarous]

I don't care for this notion that certain stories "don't fit" or that certain stories are inherently better / more meaningful. I've been playing as a female dwarf and the playthrough has felt very rich and engaging - perhaps in large part to the way I've characterized my Cadash as sincerely accepting the Herald mantle (her only "rational" explanation for the Mark) - and just because I didn't roll elf with Solas as my bae doesn't mean that I'm the lesser for it.

[Tidus]

Kimarous,In my test game I did notice the dwarf was tougher and hit harder then the other classes but,IMHO looked out of place at the winter palace. The flirting with Lace made sense and was fun. As far as being the Herald I kept having flashbacks to DA:O and that kill the story line since Dwarves return to the stone and they worship their ancestors.

 

I was able to design Rikku right do to the "Z" face brand like she had in DA:O and thought that was a neat touch..

[jlb524]

I don't care for this notion that certain stories "don't fit" or that certain stories are inherently better / more meaningful. I've been playing as a female dwarf and the playthrough has felt very rich and engaging - perhaps in large part to the way I've characterized my Cadash as sincerely accepting the Herald mantle (her only "rational" explanation for the Mark) - and just because I didn't roll elf with Solas as my bae doesn't mean that I'm the lesser for it.

I think every Inquisitor type fits though some go along with the themes a bit better or have more racial dialog.
Qunari seem to get the short end of the stick since the others all have their moments (Decent DLC for dwarves, etc.)

I've probably played as the dreaded 'female elven mage' more than other types but I don't romance Solas so not sure where that puts me in all this. I just like playing elven mages in games where it's possible.

[Kimarous]

Kimarous,In my test game I did notice the dwarf was tougher and hit harder then the other classes but,IMHO looked out of place at the winter palace. The flirting with Lace made sense and was fun. As far as being the Herald I kept having flashbacks to DA:O and that kill the story line since Dwarves return to the stone and they worship their ancestors.

 

I was able to design Rikku right do to the "Z" face brand like she had in DA:O and thought that was a neat touch..

 

But you're playing a surface dwarf who doesn't hail from Orzammar. What you claim "kills the story" is a complete non-factor. Does Varric fuss about the Stone and the ancestors? No he doesn't. If anything, he looks down on the closed-mindedness of "traditional" dwarves. The player's dwarf comes from comparatively similar circumstances to Varric, so does it not follow suit that they'd have similar views? Yes, the game allows you to OPTIONALLY express traditional dwarves values, but just because YOU are hung up on those views doesn't mean everyone else is or that it factors into another's playthrough.

[Andrew Lucas]

Well, the game was primary built around a human Quizzy. Easy topic.

[ArcaneEsper]

Tbh I hope that if Bioware is going to do this whole thing where individual races are the focus (Humans with the Chantry stuff, Elves with all their stuff) it should be distributed a tad more fairly. For example, the Dwarves should get their moment in the base game and the Qunari should get one at all.

All this F!Lavellan Mage talk gets tiring because really, we all have different experiences and we can't act like one is objectively better than the other.

[Kakistos_]

Tbh I hope that if Bioware is going to do this whole thing where individual races are the focus (Humans with the Chantry stuff, Elves with all their stuff) it should be distributed a tad more fairly. For example, the Dwarves should get their moment in the base game and the Qunari should get one at all.

All this F!Lavellan Mage talk gets tiring because really, we all have different experiences and we can't act like one is objectively better than the other.

 

I disagree. I think that giving specific segments of the game to specific themes and groups such as Mages and Elves has worked well thus far. It has allowed us to explore said themes in more depth than would have been possible had we also had to make room for EVERY other group or concept present in Thedas. That said I do think each group and concept should have it's moment in the spotlight.

 

In terms of Dwarves and Qunari I believe their spotlight will come with a presumptive Tevinter placed DA4. Compared to other races and classes the Dwarf and Qunari Inquisitor have the least personal and social ties to the main themes of the game in my opinion. In the context of a Tevinter centered DA4 this will likely change as both Qunari and Dwarves have unique places in Tevinter society and would be more invested in probably themes such as Dwarven support for Tevinter and the Qunari war. I also suspect that DA4 will also take place in The Anderfels and Dwarves have always had a unique relationship with The Gray Wardens.

 

With that in mind I don't want themes such as Mage power and Blood Magic and Elven slaves in the Imperium to be completely overshadowed as they have been brewing for a long time.

[Ghost Gal]

Tbh I hope that if Bioware is going to do this whole thing where individual races are the focus (Humans with the Chantry stuff, Elves with all their stuff) it should be distributed a tad more fairly. For example, the Dwarves should get their moment in the base game and the Qunari should get one at all.

 

I agree. They donh't get nearly enough focus.

 

All this F!Lavellan Mage talk gets tiring because really, we all have different experiences and we can't act like one is objectively better than the other.

 

Try telling that to the human noble fans (Cousland, Amell, Hawke, and Trevelyan) who've always bragged that their human protagonists are objectively better than all others every single game since the franchise's inception.

 

For once, at least one group of non-human protagonist fans have bragging rights, but of course the same people who happily bragged about how objectively better their infinitely superior human protagonists were and/or the people who sat back and let them brag turn around and tell Lavellan fans, "We shouldn't act like one is better than the others." I see how it is.

[ArcaneEsper]

Try telling that to the human noble fans (Cousland, Amell, Hawke, and Trevelyan) who've always bragged that their human protagonists are objectively better than all others every single game since the franchise's inception.

For once, at least one group of non-human protagonist fans have bragging rights, but of course the same people who happily bragged about how objectively better their infinitely superior human protagonists were and/or the people who sat back and let them brag turn around and tell Lavellan fans, "We shouldn't act like one is better than the others." I see how it is.

My first Dragon Age game was DAI so my primary exposure has been to the F!Lavellan Mage stuff. But tbh the sentiment is general. Because we all have preferences and shouldn't enforce them on others as though an objective "right way" to play exists. I literally have no issue with female Elven Mages but I'm not too fond of how people tend to act like DAI can only be played properly as one. If I had the prior experience with DAO and DAII I would say the same for the Human Noble people.

[Tidus]

Kimarous, Maybe you didn't notice the face brands? The commoner dwarf could have left Orzammar for the surface. Beraht had members that moved freely between Orzammar and the surface and any of those could have left the carta.

[sniper_arrow]

The way I see it, dwarves are somewhat underrated because the storyline for DAI didn't cater to them in a way the humans and the elves were. I would wish DA4 would focus on the dwarves the same way the elves experienced in DAI. 

[Irethofnorgothren]

I agree, I  always play as an Elf whenever I am given the chance, and unlike previous stories, DAI was more about Elves, about 80% of it and it became 100% in the trespasser. the story and most of the events felt very personal since I was Elven mage and the end of trespasser was very emotional, especially when my Elven mage told Solas that she is going to prove him this world is worth saving

[Irethofnorgothren]

The way I see it, dwarves are somewhat underrated because the storyline for DAI didn't cater to them in a way the humans and the elves were. I would wish DA4 would focus on the dwarves the same way the elves experienced in DAI. 

I like that idea, but I think we have to wait for that to happen after the DAI has reached a conclusion. Or so I think.

[Kimarous]

Kimarous, Maybe you didn't notice the face brands? The commoner dwarf could have left Orzammar for the surface. Beraht had members that moved freely between Orzammar and the surface and any of those could have left the carta.

 

What do face brands have anything to do with it? Maybe you didn't read the dwarf character's in-game bio, which specifically states:

 

"[Player name] Cadash is a surface dwarf whose family was exiled from Orzammar generations ago, for crimes known only to the record keepers in the Shaperate. Banned from their underground cities and stripped of all status in traditional society, many surface dwarves are forced to become part of the crime syndicate known as the Carta, simply to survive."

 

You have nothing to do with Beraht. You can optionally say to Josephine that you have visited Orzammar in the past, but that's the extent of it. You do not hail from Orzammar, and the notion that you do is objectively false.