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[HC_RPG_Collector]

You are not alone with 360 unplayable issues, but in all honesty the platform is outdated and the DA3 spec should not have included older platforms, its marginal but manageable for many laptops for example.  Game technology is evolving and uses more processing power and memory -you must also evolve.

I'll evolve when I can play all my previous games that i bought ont he same system!  why should i by the DL version when I have a hard copy still playable for whatever console I bought it for or for the PC! This only means that this type of industry is suffering from some sort of monetary hemorrhaging freakout because of mobile devices and Freemium content has chunked into alot of profits for established businesses that are set in traditionalist ways--forward thiunking companies *HIRE* or at least consider making offers to those indy devs that have cut into their profits ---at least thats what Is shoved down my throat everyday by advertising agents who have no clue what recruiters are actually looking for that of only going of of specs given by a company HR person that may or maynot have a solid idea of what the recruiter needs to find--apologies for the segway---getting a wee bit frustrated about my career hunt.

[Octarin]

I'll evolve when I can play all my previous games that i bought ont he same system!  why should i by the DL version when I have a hard copy still playable for whatever console I bought it for or for the PC! This only means that this type of industry is suffering from some sort of monetary hemorrhaging freakout because of mobile devices and Freemium content has chunked into alot of profits for established businesses that are set in traditionalist ways--forward thiunking companies *HIRE* or at least consider making offers to those indy devs that have cut into their profits ---at least thats what Is shoved down my throat everyday by advertising agents who have no clue what recruiters are actually looking for that of only going of of specs given by a company HR person that may or maynot have a solid idea of what the recruiter needs to find--apologies for the segway---getting a wee bit frustrated about my career hunt.

 

Heck, no worries, go for it, I get frustrated about my career hunt daily, too, I can sympathize with the sentiment Plus, you're right.

[DaemionMoadrin]

You are legally entitled to create backups of all your media no matter what the EULA or the company's marketing try to tell you. That means you can create a working copy of every CD, DVD, Blu-Ray or HDD as long as it is only for your own personal use and you only use one copy at a time. No one can forbid you from backing up your data. You are even allowed to lend your game/album/movie to friends and family, as long as you do not profit from it. Again, it is understood that only one copy is active at the same time.

The legally grey area starts once you have to crack the copy protection of your purchased game to create your backup. Doing so means altering the code of the game, which is a violation of the Terms and Conditions you agreed to during installation. At the same time you as customer are entitled to create backups. I am not aware of definite precendents or judgements so if anyone knows more, correct me please.

 

What is casually termed piracy is in fact copyright infringement. It's still illegal but in a whole other area. Piracy is robbery at sea. Unless you obtain your cracked game by boarding a ship which is transporting them, you are not pirating anything. It's like calling jaywalking murder. Way out of proportion. At the same time, it isn't theft either. Please do not believe ads sponsored by RIAA and other similiar organisations. "You wouldn't steal a car"... meh. By definition theft makes the property unavailable to the rightful owner, the thief is taking something away. That's not the case with copyright violations. Otherwise you could download all Justin Bieber songs and rid the world of them because you took them away and no one else can listen to them now.

 

That being said, copyright infringement is illegal and immoral, especially if you profit from it. Independent studies have shown that loss in sales is neglectable. I don't have the numbers available at the moment but I think it was something like less than 5%. Research on your own, it's an interesting topic.

 

Copyright infringement is the use of works protected by copyright law without permission, infringing certain exclusive rights granted to the copyright holder, such as the right to reproduce, distribute, display or perform the protected work, or to make derivative works. I think it is clear that reproduction and distribution are the main problems which means people who upload or host cracked games are clearly in violation of the law. The people who download the game are less so, it's a grey area again. Of course, if you use bittorrent, then you are always an uploader, even if it's just some kb.

 

Personally I do not use or recommend illegal downloads. I buy all my games, some even more than once. I have two legal copies of KotOR, KotOR2, BG1, BG2, Jade Empire, Dragon Age: Origins and quite a lot more.

 

Now let's talk about the initial, hypothetical question. You purchased the game and, in theory, could create a backup of your DVD (or whatever they use on the consoles). Since your original doesn't work, you could try to obtain a working copy... but... a cracked game would mean you'd be violating the EULA/Terms and Conditions and it's rather unlikely it would work for you anyway. The standard procedure with defect products is to demand the seller fixes the product and/or exchanges it for a working one. If they can't do so after three tries, you are entitled to get your money back. This may differ depending on the country you live in though.

 

TL;DR: Don't download an illegal and cracked copy, it's probably not going to help you and not worth the possible legal ramifications, even if you stay in the grey areas. Also, don't become a pirate. I don't think they have health care anymore.

[Octarin]

You are legally entitled to create backups of all your media no matter what the EULA or the company's marketing try to tell you. That means you can create a working copy of every CD, DVD, Blu-Ray or HDD as long as it is only for your own personal use and you only use one copy at a time. No one can forbid you from backing up your data. You are even allowed to lend your game/album/movie to friends and family, as long as you do not profit from it. Again, it is understood that only one copy is active at the same time.

The legally grey area starts once you have to crack the copy protection of your purchased game to create your backup. Doing so means altering the code of the game, which is a violation of the Terms and Conditions you agreed to during installation. At the same time you as customer are entitled to create backups. I am not aware of definite precendents or judgements so if anyone knows more, correct me please.

 

What is casually termed piracy is in fact copyright infringement. It's still illegal but in a whole other area. Piracy is robbery at sea. Unless you obtain your cracked game by boarding a ship which is transporting them, you are not pirating anything. It's like calling jaywalking murder. Way out of proportion. At the same time, it isn't theft either. Please do not believe ads sponsored by RIAA and other similiar organisations. "You wouldn't steal a car"... meh. By definition theft makes the property unavailable to the rightful owner, the thief is taking something away. That's not the case with copyright violations. Otherwise you could download all Justin Bieber songs and rid the world of them because you took them away and no one else can listen to them now.

 

That being said, copyright infringement is illegal and immoral, especially if you profit from it. Independent studies have shown that loss in sales is neglectable. I don't have the numbers available at the moment but I think it was something like less than 5%. Research on your own, it's an interesting topic.

 

Copyright infringement is the use of works protected by copyright law without permission, infringing certain exclusive rights granted to the copyright holder, such as the right to reproduce, distribute, display or perform the protected work, or to make derivative works. I think it is clear that reproduction and distribution are the main problems which means people who upload or host cracked games are clearly in violation of the law. The people who download the game are less so, it's a grey area again. Of course, if you use bittorrent, then you are always an uploader, even if it's just some kb.

 

Personally I do not use or recommend illegal downloads. I buy all my games, some even more than once. I have two legal copies of KotOR, KotOR2, BG1, BG2, Jade Empire, Dragon Age: Origins and quite a lot more.

 

Now let's talk about the initial, hypothetical question. You purchased the game and, in theory, could create a backup of your DVD (or whatever they use on the consoles). Since your original doesn't work, you could try to obtain a working copy... but... a cracked game would mean you'd be violating the EULA/Terms and Conditions and it's rather unlikely it would work for you anyway. The standard procedure with defect products is to demand the seller fixes the product and/or exchanges it for a working one. If they can't do so after three tries, you are entitled to get your money back. This may differ depending on the country you live in though.

 

TL;DR: Don't download an illegal and cracked copy, it's probably not going to help you and not worth the possible legal ramifications, even if you stay in the grey areas. Also, don't become a pirate. I don't think they have health care anymore.

 

Thank you for your reply, very astute, as always after all.

 

I am rather aware of the copyrights infringement entire shebang, since I've had bad dealings with it as a writer (and PR to a writer). The "law" as far as the internet is concerned, blatantly doesn't exist, as there are very different laws in ever country, even within the EU (where one would suppose some international common laws would be reasonable to exist, and yet, they don't). It is as you said, both with actual piracy and with copyright infringement, but I'll beg to differ in one point.

 

Someone who purposefully copies and distributes your own individual property and hard work out to the public without profit, does it out of malice, pure and simple. I can understand how someone would seek to gain, monetary gain is a reasonable cause for breaking the law after all. With copyright infringement, two things tend to happen: very big names (like the abominable you mentioned) get their works duplicated and distributed so fans don't go buying the originals, so the name's PRODUCER COMPANY doesn't get their kaching, or, small names (like said writer I mentioned before) who are actually depending on their work for making a living, get their work scanned and copied and posted online and distributed.

 

The law, such as it is, protects the first case. The law does not protect the second case. In regards to such a double dealing law, I have no moral obligation to uphold it, especially since I fall into the second category fair and square. When you see your entire book, scanned and made into a fee pdf and put online, with the addition of a last page saying "btw, this is a copied version, if you like Mr XXXXX's book, please buy it legally", and you feel the pit of your stomach drop to your knees cause you've been working on that shite for more than two years, and there's absolutely nothing you can do, and all they tell you is "appeal to him to take it down", but every day you get the litany of ads and threats by big companies who miss their less than 5% in profit cause some fans download mp3s, well, you get my point I hope.

 

And then you have EA who announces bold as brass that they expect their profits from DLCs on 2015 to be somewhere around 1 billion dollars, and here's me trying to pay the editor. And then you come and tell me it's illegal to download the game for the PC, and at least manage to play it, even if I've already paid my due fair and square and I'm getting one-shafted up the *ahem* for two months through the legal channels. 

 

So, I get what you're saying, I completely agree as well. It's ethically and morally, that I feel disinclined to acquiesce. 

[Keitaro57]

You are legally entitled to create backups of all your media no matter what the EULA or the company's marketing try to tell you. That means you can create a working copy of every CD, DVD, Blu-Ray or HDD as long as it is only for your own personal use and you only use one copy at a time. No one can forbid you from backing up your data. You are even allowed to lend your game/album/movie to friends and family, as long as you do not profit from it. Again, it is understood that only one copy is active at the same time.

The legally grey area starts once you have to crack the copy protection of your purchased game to create your backup. Doing so means altering the code of the game, which is a violation of the Terms and Conditions you agreed to during installation. At the same time you as customer are entitled to create backups. I am not aware of definite precendents or judgements so if anyone knows more, correct me please.

 

What is casually termed piracy is in fact copyright infringement. It's still illegal but in a whole other area. Piracy is robbery at sea. Unless you obtain your cracked game by boarding a ship which is transporting them, you are not pirating anything. It's like calling jaywalking murder. Way out of proportion. At the same time, it isn't theft either. Please do not believe ads sponsored by RIAA and other similiar organisations. "You wouldn't steal a car"... meh. By definition theft makes the property unavailable to the rightful owner, the thief is taking something away. That's not the case with copyright violations. Otherwise you could download all Justin Bieber songs and rid the world of them because you took them away and no one else can listen to them now.

 

That being said, copyright infringement is illegal and immoral, especially if you profit from it. Independent studies have shown that loss in sales is neglectable. I don't have the numbers available at the moment but I think it was something like less than 5%. Research on your own, it's an interesting topic.

 

Copyright infringement is the use of works protected by copyright law without permission, infringing certain exclusive rights granted to the copyright holder, such as the right to reproduce, distribute, display or perform the protected work, or to make derivative works. I think it is clear that reproduction and distribution are the main problems which means people who upload or host cracked games are clearly in violation of the law. The people who download the game are less so, it's a grey area again. Of course, if you use bittorrent, then you are always an uploader, even if it's just some kb.

 

Personally I do not use or recommend illegal downloads. I buy all my games, some even more than once. I have two legal copies of KotOR, KotOR2, BG1, BG2, Jade Empire, Dragon Age: Origins and quite a lot more.

 

Now let's talk about the initial, hypothetical question. You purchased the game and, in theory, could create a backup of your DVD (or whatever they use on the consoles). Since your original doesn't work, you could try to obtain a working copy... but... a cracked game would mean you'd be violating the EULA/Terms and Conditions and it's rather unlikely it would work for you anyway. The standard procedure with defect products is to demand the seller fixes the product and/or exchanges it for a working one. If they can't do so after three tries, you are entitled to get your money back. This may differ depending on the country you live in though.

 

TL;DR: Don't download an illegal and cracked copy, it's probably not going to help you and not worth the possible legal ramifications, even if you stay in the grey areas. Also, don't become a pirate. I don't think they have health care anymore.

Well, the law is different with the various states.

In my state, we paid a special tax to have the right to make personal copies of softwares. But, at the same time, we have no right to make any personal copies and can be sued for that.

[Bioware-Critic]

it is rather off, isn't it? Plus the silent treatment. They should fire their PR manager.

 

HA! The PR manager is doing exactly what he or she is told to do by Bio&EA - nothing else!

These guys do not decide anything. They are just some regular "monkeys" who enjoy working with people ...

 

My best guess for the silent treatment would be that they are simply weighing the options they might try here.

And of course they will be working on many things already. But naturally it takes time before this stuff reaches us.

In a few weeks we will have our answers. Until then - only frustration ... YEAH

[Octarin]

HA! The PR manager is doing exactly what he or she is told to do by Bio&EA - nothing else!

These guys do not decide anything. They are just some regular "monkeys" who enjoy working with people ...

 

My best guess for the silent treatment would be that they are simply weighing the options they might try here.

And of course they will be working on many things already. But naturally it takes time before this stuff reches us.

In a few weeks we will have our answers. Until then - only frustration ... YEAH

 

As commented before multiple times already elsewhere by various people, there is absolutely no need for the silent treatment whatsoever. They can come up here and make an announcement. But no, they chose to have Mark Darrah TWEET a cryptic announcement yesterday, basically saying more of "can't promise anything, wait". Not here, not on the official forums, but on twitter. They are insulting our intelligence from so many fronts it's starting to feel like my last relationship. And at least there I was getting good sex.

[Bioware-Critic]

As commented before multiple times already elsewhere by various people, there is absolutely no need for the silent treatment whatsoever. They can come up here and make an announcement. But no, they chose to have Mark Darrah TWEET a cryptic announcement yesterday, basically saying more of "can't promise anything, wait". Not here, not on the official forums, but on twitter. They are insulting our intelligence from so many fronts it's starting to feel like my last relationship. And at least there I was getting good sex.

 

Yup!

 

But when I quit my loyal support by quitting to buy DA products / DA games they can wine all they want. They will have lost me as a customer forever!

 

If these guys think they are smarter than us and that they can manage customer relations with SUCH tactics they seriously need psychotherapy ...

The average gamer is 35 years old. Good luck fooling grown-up people! They treat their customers like children. But after DA2 I was hoping they did understand. And as a matter of fact, for me at least, I know that people like the Bioware-devs know EXACTLY what it is we as RPG-fans want! They know us for several decades by now.

But they think they can somehow shape our tastes and sell us lies and influence us enough to make us believe their PR-BS ...

I would argue that the conversations taking place in the threads of this forum "beg to differ" ... the "value" of the  nonsensical behavior from their side.

[Octarin]

Yup!

 

But when I quit my loyal support by quitting to buy DA products / DA games they can wine all they want. They will have lost me as a customer forever!

 

If these guys think they are smarter than us and that they can manage customer relations with SUCH tactics they seriously need psychotherapy ...

The average gamer is 35 yeras old! Good luck fooling these people. They treat their customers like children. But after DA2 I was hoping they did understand. And as a matter of fact, for me at least, I know that people like the Bioware-devs know EXACTLY what it is we as RPG-fans want! They know us for several decades by now.

But they think they can somehow shape our tastes and sell us lies and influence us enough to make us believe their PR-BS ...

I would argue that the conversations taking place in the threads of this forum "beg to differ" ... the "value" of the  nonsensical behavior from their side.

 

A job is a job is a job. After all, for these people this is their job. With the considerable risk of losing it, if not done as they're told. Boards don't know of fan-bases and customer preferences, all they see is numbers. The 1 billion they're gonna squeeze out of us from DLCs. I would oblige them happily, if I was getting something worth its money. But it's not. And now I see MY money wasted. And no more of MY money going towards the 1 billion threshold EA put for itself. They can milk it out of SIMS4 expansions and SWTOR subs. I won't be on either, and unless I see some HUMBLE attitude towards the paying customer over here, by the time hackers do their job well, I'm gonna be playing this game the only way I can and without DLCs.

[10K]

Here's what I think: You bought the game and they have your money already. So go ahead and pirate a copy that actually works, I see no harm.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Well, the law is different with the various states.

In my state, we paid a special tax to have the right to make personal copies of softwares. But, at the same time, we have no right to make any personal copies and can be sued for that.

 

So each time you create a backup of your harddrive, you perform an illegal action? How does that hold up in court?

[evgenija28]

This is tricky. I did think about this when I was reading the problems PS3 and Xbox360 users are experiencing.

Legally, no. But legal system isn't always in accordance with ethics, or better said it can be legal, but not legitimate. Now to cut the long story short, me, personally, I would advise you to seek legal advice from a lawyer or anyone who knows the law in your country very well. Since they marketed that this game will have nothing cut out and be playable on last-gen systems, and this isn't the case, this is an issue of false marketing. Now think about it. If you bought a medicine that battles high blood pressure, and it doesn't do that, you can sue them. Now, video game isn't such an important thing, but it's still the same situation in the end.

You should fight for your rights as a customer, will it have a desired effect? Probably not. And it's a pity, but many other things worse things happened and corporations got away with it so nothing new on Planet Earth.

[Octarin]

Here's what I think: You bought the game and they have your money already. So go ahead and pirate a copy that actually works, I see no harm.

 

Thank you for your reply!

[Octarin]

This is tricky. I did think about this when I was reading the problems PS3 and Xbox360 users are experiencing.

Legally, no. But legal system isn't always in accordance with ethics, or better said it can be legal, but not legitimate. Now to cut the long story short, me, personally, I would advise you to seek legal advice from a lawyer or anyone who knows the law in your country very well. Since they marketed that this game will have nothing cut out and be playable on last-gen systems, and this isn't the case, this is an issue of false marketing. Now think about it. If you bought a medicine that battles high blood pressure, and it doesn't do that, you can sue them. Now, video game isn't such an important thing, but it's still the same situation in the end.

You should fight for your rights as a customer, will it have a desired effect? Probably not. And it's a pity, but many other things worse things happened and corporations got away with it so nothing new on Planet Earth.

 

I agree with you completely, and I've said it a few times in the old gens thread that we should probably seek some legal action, but there lies a small problem. We, as individuals, have a very limited budget at our disposal for a continuous legal battle. And believe me, it will be continuous, because a company that expects to gross 1 billion dollars by the end of the current year won't take a lawsuit claiming false marketing and intentional fraud lightly. They, on the other hand, have a huge legal department on the payroll, and they can both get prime time lawyers for this and they can maintain it as far as it can go. We can't. I'm unemployed, for example. I know the other people in the old gens thread have similar limitations. So, while I am really itching to act paladiny, and fight for our rights and so forth, I can't afford it. 

[Elsariel]

Yup!

But when I quit my loyal support by quitting to buy DA products / DA games they can wine all they want. They will have lost me as a customer forever!

If these guys think they are smarter than us and that they can manage customer relations with SUCH tactics they seriously need psychotherapy ...
The average gamer is 35 years old. Good luck fooling grown-up people! They treat their customers like children. But after DA2 I was hoping they did understand. And as a matter of fact, for me at least, I know that people like the Bioware-devs know EXACTLY what it is we as RPG-fans want! They know us for several decades by now.
But they think they can somehow shape our tastes and sell us lies and influence us enough to make us believe their PR-BS ...
I would argue that the conversations taking place in the threads of this forum "beg to differ" ... the "value" of the nonsensical behavior from their side.

Can you elaborate a bit on this? I do absolutely understand being upset if your game doesn't actually work or if it's too full of bugs to make it not fun to play. But what do you mean by "shape our tastes" and "influence us"?

[Keitaro57]

So each time you create a backup of your harddrive, you perform an illegal action? How does that hold up in court?

In fact, the law is, simply put, stupid in my country with the new technology.

 

For exemple, you buy a CD music. You copy this music to put it on a compilation to use it in your car : illegal.

You filmed the marriage ceremony of your big brother and want to put it on DVD to offer him : you must pay a special anti-piracy tax.

You purchased a very expensive software for your PC and want to make a backup copy of it to prevent a CD break : illegal.

In a matter of fact, the very simple act of taking a photo may be problematic if you haven't paid a special tax to help professionnal of the medias against piracy.

 

Now, you understand why I don't have any trust in my country justice to help customers against EAware.

[Panda]

I think Bioware and EA owns everyone who purchased their game a working version of it. If they aren't going to provide it refund should happen. I don't mean random clitch and bugs that are pound to happen with this but things that make the game unplayable or very different from what they marketed it as.

 

If you are selling used car and "forgot" to mention problems it has to customer who bought it, they will legally get refund of the car. Since games are getting really buggy on the release I think something similar is needed as refund for all platforms, only for digital versions as well since I think at the moment PSN at least is robbing money from buyers who can't get refund at all since they can't return broken product, this should be against law.

 

Also one of problem with Bioware is: yes we are fixing the game, please wait! While your refund time period is ending if you even had it so if you trust in Bioware.. well let's hope they are worth that trust in the end.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

In fact, the law is, simply put, stupid in my country with the new technology.

 

For exemple, you buy a CD music. You copy this music to put it on a compilation to use it in your car : illegal.

You filmed the marriage ceremony of your big brother and want to put it on DVD to offer him : you must pay a special anti-piracy tax.

You purchased a very expensive software for your PC and want to make a backup copy of it to prevent a CD break : illegal.

In a matter of fact, the very simple act of taking a photo may be problematic if you haven't paid a special tax to help professionnal of the medias against piracy.

 

Now, you understand why I don't have any trust in my country justice to help customers against EAware.

Sounds like you really need that guy with a flamethrower, too. One that wanders around here somewhere

[DaemionMoadrin]

Thank you for your reply, very astute, as always after all.

 

I am rather aware of the copyrights infringement entire shebang, since I've had bad dealings with it as a writer (and PR to a writer). The "law" as far as the internet is concerned, blatantly doesn't exist, as there are very different laws in ever country, even within the EU (where one would suppose some international common laws would be reasonable to exist, and yet, they don't). It is as you said, both with actual piracy and with copyright infringement, but I'll beg to differ in one point.

 

Someone who purposefully copies and distributes your own individual property and hard work out to the public without profit, does it out of malice, pure and simple. I can understand how someone would seek to gain, monetary gain is a reasonable cause for breaking the law after all. With copyright infringement, two things tend to happen: very big names (like the abominable you mentioned) get their works duplicated and distributed so fans don't go buying the originals, so the name's PRODUCER COMPANY doesn't get their kaching, or, small names (like said writer I mentioned before) who are actually depending on their work for making a living, get their work scanned and copied and posted online and distributed.

 

The law, such as it is, protects the first case. The law does not protect the second case. In regards to such a double dealing law, I have no moral obligation to uphold it, especially since I fall into the second category fair and square. When you see your entire book, scanned and made into a fee pdf and put online, with the addition of a last page saying "btw, this is a copied version, if you like Mr XXXXX's book, please buy it legally", and you feel the pit of your stomach drop to your knees cause you've been working on that shite for more than two years, and there's absolutely nothing you can do, and all they tell you is "appeal to him to take it down", but every day you get the litany of ads and threats by big companies who miss their less than 5% in profit cause some fans download mp3s, well, you get my point I hope.

 

And then you have EA who announces bold as brass that they expect their profits from DLCs on 2015 to be somewhere around 1 billion dollars, and here's me trying to pay the editor. And then you come and tell me it's illegal to download the game for the PC, and at least manage to play it, even if I've already paid my due fair and square and I'm getting one-shafted up the *ahem* for two months through the legal channels. 

 

So, I get what you're saying, I completely agree as well. It's ethically and morally, that I feel disinclined to acquiesce. 

 

There are international treaties regarding copyright but I'm not very familiar with those.

My "less than 5%" number was about games and movies - people usually won't pay for those even if there was no free alternative. At best they'd pay a drastically reduced price.

 

I am not sure you can attribute malice to everyone who uploads your hard work, some people honestly believe that everything should be free. Or they want to provide people who couldn't afford the original with something they enjoy... I don't know.

 

I understand how you feel and I'd be furious if that happened to me... but two wrongs don't make a right.

 

The problems you experience with DA:I are mostly performance related and I doubt a cracked version for your console is going to change that.

[DaemionMoadrin]

In fact, the law is, simply put, stupid in my country with the new technology.

 

For exemple, you buy a CD music. You copy this music to put it on a compilation to use it in your car : illegal.

You filmed the marriage ceremony of your big brother and want to put it on DVD to offer him : you must pay a special anti-piracy tax.

You purchased a very expensive software for your PC and want to make a backup copy of it to prevent a CD break : illegal.

In a matter of fact, the very simple act of taking a photo may be problematic if you haven't paid a special tax to help professionnal of the medias against piracy.

 

Now, you understand why I don't have any trust in my country justice to help customers against EAware.

 

Eh... that's just stupid. I mean, seriously stupid. That way you treat your customers and citizens as criminals.

If I may ask, which country are you from?

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Eh... that's just stupid. I mean, seriously stupid. That way you treat your customers and citizens as criminals.

If I may ask, which country are you from?

Well there's a reference to States. So most likely that's US

[Bioware-Critic]

Elsariel wrote:

 

Can you elaborate a bit on this? I do absolutely understand being upset if your game doesn't actually work or if it's too full of bugs to make it not fun to play. But what do you mean by "shape our tastes" and "influence us"?

 

@Elsariel

 

For years now ... since the release of DA2 to be exact ...

Bioware and EA are trying out a new style for DA titles that is, in my opinion at least, continuing in DA:I.

Even though it got a serious amount of negative backlash and Bioware told the fans that were upset about this, that they will deliver a true Origins-successor (They even run their PR with slogans like "back to the roots" and such stuff) next time around ... they did the exact opposite here, in DA:I !!!

They just do the same thing to us all over again they did with DA2.

They try to sell this new direction for the DA franchise (which many RPG-fans dislike very much!) again.

 

That new style would be:

• More simplification and less complexity,
• more action and less tactical finesse,
• less depth and instead higher quantity of the same (example: side quests instead of story arcs)
• ... etc.

And when, just like in this moment, the feedback section of the Bioware-forum is full of backlash against these design-choices - they do not react to us. At least not now. To me that looks like they will maybe try to smooth this over with some sort of appeasement. It looks to me as if they will try to treat these complaints as if they do not exist! Well that will not work on me! That won't cut it this time.

This time they lied, deliberately!

 

For me, DA:I is like DA2-2.0 ... 2.0 would be standing for the evolution of the concept, the strategy to make the DA franchise more accessable for genre-newbies and thereby letting down a lot of the fans that are very loyal Bioware-customers for a long time and were hoping for DA:O-2 instead of DA2-2.0 ...

I did not pay them my money for an action-RPG but for an Origins-successor! And if it is a fact that newbies who never played any RPG's will have somewhat of a learning curve if they play a RPG for the first time, when they bought DA:I because it looked good - well then so be it! If you are new to RPG's you should have a learning curve and you should need time to explore this wonderful genre for yourself and you should also need more than one playthrough to get a full grasp of what this genre has to offer to you, when you are a newbie! I don't see the benefit to dumbing down something like the DA franchise just to make it easy for newbies that buy the title, play it once and then switch back to Assassins Creed anyway! UGH!

 

There is no such thing as an oversimplyfied RPG! Either it is a RPG or it is a "Hack & Slash"!

There is no in-between!

[Keitaro57]

Eh... that's just stupid. I mean, seriously stupid. That way you treat your customers and citizens as criminals.

If I may ask, which country are you from?

France.

 

It remembered me of a law they try to pass : Hadopi.

 

With it, every PC owner must stay online permanently, with a special governemental spyware that scan all the in/out flux. Forbidden to take new IP adress, to stop your computer or even to make an add-on on your email. French version of Patriot act? No, it is to help french singer and film-maker against piracy...

 

Now, the Hadopi isn't so strong but our politics really WANTED it...

[DaemionMoadrin]

France.

 

It remembered me of a law they try to pass : Hadopi.

 

With it, every PC owner must stay online permanently, with a special governemental spyware that scan all the in/out flux. Forbidden to take new IP adress, to stop your computer or even to make an add-on on your email. French version of Patriot act? No, it is to help french singer and film-maker against piracy...

 

Now, the Hadopi isn't so strong but our politics really WANTED it...

 

That sounds unconstitutional and would be a gross violation of your privacy, not to mention next to impossible to implement and it would mean significant additional costs for every user. That would never be accepted here in Germany.

[Bioware-Critic]

Can you elaborate a bit on this? I do absolutely understand being upset if your game doesn't actually work or if it's too full of bugs to make it not fun to play. But what do you mean by "shape our tastes" and "influence us"?

 

I replied in posting number 47 to you. The editor screwed it up, somehow ...