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[evgenija28]

I agree with you completely, and I've said it a few times in the old gens thread that we should probably seek some legal action, but there lies a small problem. We, as individuals, have a very limited budget at our disposal for a continuous legal battle. And believe me, it will be continuous, because a company that expects to gross 1 billion dollars by the end of the current year won't take a lawsuit claiming false marketing and intentional fraud lightly. They, on the other hand, have a huge legal department on the payroll, and they can both get prime time lawyers for this and they can maintain it as far as it can go. We can't. I'm unemployed, for example. I know the other people in the old gens thread have similar limitations. So, while I am really itching to act paladiny, and fight for our rights and so forth, I can't afford it. 

 

Precisely. In the end, the amount of money you are willing to spend on the legal battle will be the most important thing, the one that determines the outcome. With that in mind, you already lost. 

I think the saying goes - fool me once shame on you, fool me twice - shame on me. So, we turn on our brains and no buying until we read customer reviews, though it's already too late for you now. I really hope that Bioware fixes this, because in this horrible real world, no other solution is available for us customers that don't expect multi-million and billion dollar income by the end of the year.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I wish that was possible, but I very much doubt it is. The reason being that if they come up and admit that they had information about a huge difference in quality and withheld it till post-launch, that would be a very handy point to grasp at and go legally. So, they will not do that under no condition whatsoever. They might not be good developers anymore, but they sure have a aces top legal department directing, that I can bet on. 

 

As for your other point, yes I was aware that I wasn't going to have anything equal to a new PC or a next gen console graphically speaking, but I was hoping to have graphics equal to DA2 or ME3, both of which were released for the old gens, and have excellent graphics from where I stand, even if some people still will say pfft these are not good graphics. But what I got instead was truly masterfully elaborate static backgrounds, mountains, trees, clouds and so forth, and all the rest worse quality than DA:O, and I mean that, it's not an exaggeration. I installed a high def cable for DA:O when I got it, cause it had such blurry and despicable graphics, and they got better. I never imagined that I'd get to see such abysmal quality again from a newer game!

 

Do you believe that the expectation of DA2 or ME3 quality graphics for the xbox360 / ps3 is an unreasonable one?

I do. DA2 was was built on a different engine, a 32 bit engine that was Bioware's own engine (a heavily modified version of the Aurora engine I believe.) It was meant to run on a 32 bit computer and, the consoles that were available at the time. 64 bit was not the norm. Now it is, and, that lead to Bioware/EA using the Frostbite engine. I could give you a very technical explanation of the differences but it boils down to in engine graphics.

 

Now, the only way to improve performance while lowering resource demands is to sacrifice quality. The game can't process graphics (or sound) separately, it's all part of the engine so, making the graphics run slower to get better quality on older systems would mean making the whole engine run slower, thus a slower game across the boad and, that would destroy playability. What if you had your graphics but had a 1 to 1.5 second delay between a key press and your on screen character responding to that key press? OUCH. So there is basically the problem they face with the new engine and, why the only real solution is to build the game for newer systems and, hope the customers with older systems put up with it.

 

We PC players that had played DAO and DA2 on 32 bit computers didn't get a choice, we had to go to a 64 bit computer. A few were able to upgrade but most had to buy new computers to even run the game at all. Before some of the integrated graphics chips worked fine, now it has to be at least a discreet class (a few high end chips are.) or better yet a separate graphics card, and a mid to high end one at that. What ran previous games just fine won't run this one at all for PC players. At least console players can run it on older systems, all be it looking less than stellar, it does play that way without significant delays form key press to on screen reaction.

[Octarin]

Sounds like you really need that guy with a flamethrower, too. One that wanders around here somewhere

 

Yeah, but I thought he'd gone to Canada to meet the MMO devs

[Elsariel]

@Elsariel

 

For years now ... since the release of DA2 to be exact ...

Bioware and EA are trying out a new style for DA titles that is, in my opinion at least, continuing in DA:I.

Even though it got a serious amount of negative backlash and Bioware told the fans that were upset about this, that they will deliver a true Origins-successor (They even run their PR with slogans like "back to the roots" and such stuff) next time around ... they did the exact opposite here, in DA:I !!!

They just do the same thing to us all over again they did with DA2.

They try to sell this new direction for the DA franchise (which many RPG-fans dislike very much!) again.

 

That new style would be:

• More simplification and less complexity,
• more action and less tactical finesse,
• less depth and instead higher quantity of the same (example: side quests instead od story arcs)
• ... etc.

And when, just like in this moment, the feedback section of the Bioware-forum is full of backlash against these design-choices - they do not react to us. At least not now. To me that looks like they will maybe try to smooth this over with some sort of appeasement. It looks to me as if they will try to treat these complaints as if they do not exist! Well that will not work on me! That won't cut it this time.

This time they lied, deliberately!

 

For me, DA:I is like DA2-2.0 ... 2.0 would be standing for the evolution of the concept, the strategy to make the DA franchise more accessable for genre-newbies and thereby letting down a lot of the fans that are very loyal Bioware-customers for a long time and were hoping for DA:O-2 instead of DA2-2.0 ...

I did not pay them my money for an action-RPG but for an Origins-successor! And if it is a fact that newbies who never played any RPG's will have somewhat of a learning curve when they play a RPG for the first time, because they bought DA:I because it looked good - well then so be it! If you are new to RPG's you should have a learning curve and you should need time to explore this wonderful genre for yourself and you should also need more than one playthrough to get a full grasp of what this genre has to offer to you, when you are a newbie! I don't see the benefit to dumbing down something like the DA franchise just to make it easy for newbies that buy the title, play it once and then switch back to Assassins Creed anyway! UGH!

 

There is no such thing as an oversimplyfied RPG! Either it is a RPG or it is a "Hack & Slash"!

There is no in between!

 

Thank you for your reply.  I can totally understand if the game was disappointing and not what you expected.  Let me offer a different perspective.

 

I'm a 35 year old gamer.  I've been a fan of RPG's since I first got a Nintendo when I was a kid.  For the longest time, I played turn-based JRPG's. (Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, etc.)  I also played games like Zelda which is, I think, an action adventure game.  I love both types.  When I was in my 20's, I started getting into PC gaming and played NWN, WoW, Fable, and others.   When Dragon Age came out, it was an easy hit for me.  When DA2 came out, it was also a hit with me.  (The biggest problem I had with THAT game was the recycled areas.)  Now DA:I is out and it is also a hit for me.  The style of gameplay has changed slightly, but I'm rather used to playing different types of RPG's so the style change didn't bother me at all.  

 

I don't feel like I was lied to.  Gameplay footage was available for a long time before the game came out so I have a hard time with people crying foul about that.  I also don't understand why some can't allow for the evolution of a gaming franchise. Must all games be the exact same as the original?   I don't think Bioware has some diabolical plan to shape or influence us into liking the direction of their games.  It is THEIR franchise.  They have the creative license to do whatever they will of it. We can either like it or not (or somewhere in between).  If you don't like it, that's perfectly fair but I just can't wrap my head around talk of how we've been somehow cheated.  

 

tl;dr: I'm a long-time RPG fan who plays lots of different types of RPG games and I think whether you like DA:I or not ,is a matter of personal taste, not a matter of maturity or how long you've been playing RPG's (on computer or otherwise).

[Octarin]

 

 

The problems you experience with DA:I are mostly performance related and I doubt a cracked version for your console is going to change that.

 

The problems I am experiencing with DA:I aren't within the fixable range, because they were intentional. The game wouldn't "fit" the old gen tech else. Bioware effectively made my decision for me, one that I should have been allowed to make on my own, to wit, the choice between not playing the game at all and playing the game at a drastically reduced performance. They decided ad libidur on their own, that I would have preferred the latter option, while, in fact, most people who have old gens and experience this deception, actively say that they would have chosen to wait and get a new console, or the PC version if they knew beforehand, myself included. 

 

So, you see, the problem isn't whether or not customer support can do something to "fix me", it's an intentional deception and fraud that took place beforehand, Bioware people had the information and withheld it, and it's anti-ethical to say the least. But, since nobody in the reviewer range bothers to go over this "hiccup" with DA:I, the matter stays under the blanket for the time being, and I suspect it will do so, at least until the refund window is depleted, if not permanently. 

 

And, believe me, if I were to get the game pirated, I wouldn't get it for the console, and my PC is more than capable of running said graphics. The fact that I haven't done so yet, is primarily on my good conscience and taking on faith that Bioware will address the issue at some point. Not that I expect a formal apology, gods forbid. But an informal one would suffice.

[Octarin]

Precisely. In the end, the amount of money you are willing to spend on the legal battle will be the most important thing, the one that determines the outcome. With that in mind, you already lost. 

I think the saying goes - fool me once shame on you, fool me twice - shame on me. So, we turn on our brains and no buying until we read customer reviews, though it's already too late for you now. I really hope that Bioware fixes this, because in this horrible real world, no other solution is available for us customers that don't expect multi-million and billion dollar income by the end of the year.

 

Customer reviews can be faked. I know, I work as ghostwriter sometimes, and we get orders for bulk reviews, they even have elaborate ways for us to change our IPs when writing directly under a product, like in Amazon, for example, so we appear like different people. I know how to write in several different styles so as to fool people reading and believe that it's not the same person writing. And of course official reviews are bought. In short, nothing guarantees you absolutely anything AT ALL, except your own personal trust in the company, your own experience with previous dealings with the company, and the extent to which they hold their end of the bargain. And from that perspective, Bioware is on the -90 out of -100/100 scale at the moment. Sony and Ubisoft have portrayed better consideration towards their customers, if you can believe it, and we are talking about the people who shut down SWG here. So. We'll see. It's only a matter of time before some mod takes a whiff out of this thread and locks it down and deletes it. We'll see then.

[Octarin]

I do. DA2 was was built on a different engine, a 32 bit engine that was Bioware's own engine (a heavily modified version of the Aurora engine I believe.) It was meant to run on a 32 bit computer and, the consoles that were available at the time. 64 bit was not the norm. Now it is, and, that lead to Bioware/EA using the Frostbite engine. I could give you a very technical explanation of the differences but it boils down to in engine graphics.

 

Now, the only way to improve performance while lowering resource demands is to sacrifice quality. The game can't process graphics (or sound) separately, it's all part of the engine so, making the graphics run slower to get better quality on older systems would mean making the whole engine run slower, thus a slower game across the boad and, that would destroy playability. What if you had your graphics but had a 1 to 1.5 second delay between a key press and your on screen character responding to that key press? OUCH. So there is basically the problem they face with the new engine and, why the only real solution is to build the game for newer systems and, hope the customers with older systems put up with it.

 

We PC players that had played DAO and DA2 on 32 bit computers didn't get a choice, we had to go to a 64 bit computer. A few were able to upgrade but most had to buy new computers to even run the game at all. Before some of the integrated graphics chips worked fine, now it has to be at least a discreet class (a few high end chips are.) or better yet a separate graphics card, and a mid to high end one at that. What ran previous games just fine won't run this one at all for PC players. At least console players can run it on older systems, all be it looking less than stellar, it does play that way without significant delays form key press to on screen reaction.

 

No, that's NOT the only option. it's a choice we should have been allowed to make ourselves, and not forcefed by a greedy company. I would have preferred to wait till I can get a new console instead of sacrifice quality. Nobody asked me though. Nobody told me this beforehand. What they DID say was "you will experience the same quality with a few less NPCs running around". Well, that's not what happened, by a truly long shot. We didn't pay them to make decisions for us. We paid them to deliver quality goods. They didn't. And when we complain, they pretend we don't exist.

 

I would have waited to get a new console. It's worth the wait. But I wasn't given the opportunity to make my own mind about it. I was deceived. And that's the bottom line, cause this can't change. The game can't get better for my console, neither can I get my money back. 

[Bioware-Critic]

Thank you for your reply.  I can totally understand if the game was disappointing and not what you expected.  Let me offer a different perspective.

 

I'm a 35 year old gamer.  I've been a fan of RPG's since I first got a Nintendo when I was a kid.  For the longest time, I played turn-based JRPG's. (Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, etc.)  I also played games like Zelda which is, I think, an action adventure game.  I love both types.  When I was in my 20's, I started getting into PC gaming and played NWN, WoW, Fable, and others.   When Dragon Age came out, it was an easy hit for me.  When DA2 came out, it was also a hit with me.  (The biggest problem I had with THAT game was the recycled areas.)  Now DA:I is out and it is also a hit for me.  The style of gameplay has changed slightly, but I'm rather used to playing different types of RPG's so the style change didn't bother me at all.  

 

I don't feel like I was lied to.  Gameplay footage was available for a long time before the game came out so I have a hard time with people crying foul about that.  I also don't understand why some can't allow for the evolution of a gaming franchise. Must all games be the exact same as the original?   I don't think Bioware has some diabolical plan to shape or influence us into liking the direction of their games.  It is THEIR franchise.  They have the creative license to do whatever they will of it. We can either like it or not (or somewhere in between).  If you don't like it, that's perfectly fair but I just can't wrap my head around talk of how we've been somehow cheated.  

 

tl;dr: I'm a long-time RPG fan who plays lots of different types of RPG games and I think whether you like DA:I or not ,is a matter of personal taste, not a matter of maturity or how long you've been playing RPG's (on computer or otherwise).

Hm ...

 

Elsariel, I want to thank you for your honest and understanding reply!

I had my doubts if you would understand me. But you explained yourself and your view on the topic very well. So I understand you better now that I have read your response.

 

Well, first things first ...

The communication from Bioware after DA2 happened was very specific for several years in that regard that they constantly told the DA2-critics under their fans that they have understood that DA:O and its "values" and core-characteristics do very much matter and so on.

(... to go too much into details here is cumbersome and I think you can use your imagination and also perhaps know a lot about this discussion yourself. Suffice it to say I feel very much mislead by the communication from Bioware, by the message they were constantly conveying over the last couple of years ...)

 

And secondly ...

I don't want them to compromise their creativity for anything either.

But the truth is they are compromising their franchise far more by trying to cater to the mainstream market than by trying to maintain the integrity of their core-characteristics! And I don't mind the new stuff - quite the contrary! I get angry about the dumbing down of complex systems and about limiting the depth of the game-content - first and foremost! I like many things about DA:I. They have improved many areas very nicely and I congratulate them for that. But if I do not feel like playing it because I hate playing the game - there is nothing I can do anymore! I mean I opened up a metacritic account and a BSN account for the first time in my life (for COL!) after playing the game for a certain amount of hours because I could not continue without getting this stuff out of my system. I was LIVID! I watched every panel and PR material I could get my hands on prior to DA:I's release. That started for me with the 2012 PAX panel! And I watched every review even when I already had pre-ordered the game. But the feeling I get from the "bad" tactical-cam (and so on ...) cannot be transfered in gameplay footage! I had to experience this for myself. Not every details I will be upset about was something I could have anticipated.

 

Anyways, ...

I can understand your position on this and I thank you again for your response. I am a little bit younger than you and we have probaly a lot of common experiences regarding the industry. Therefor I have a question for you in return. I bought FF7, FF9 and FF13-2 when they were on sale. I have played FF7 and I am sure FF9 is good but I am unsure about FF13-2.

Therefor I want to ask you: Is 13-2 worth playing? Because I don't feel like it anymore.

(And I cannot delete it since I downloaded it from the PSN store. That is just impractical to do, if I happen to change my mind)

 

And for a clarifying comment ...

I will quit buying DA-titles if Bioware does not straighten this out completely! They will have to decide if they want to include cRPG-elements in their future titles - or not! If they keep telling us "yeah, yeah, it is all in there ..." and continue to deliver such watered down versions, such MMO-aRPG-hybrid titles ... I am out! I am not interested in aRPG's or MMO's.

 

Take care, Elsariel!

[Octarin]

Thank you for your reply.  I can totally understand if the game was disappointing and not what you expected.  Let me offer a different perspective.

 

I'm a 35 year old gamer.  I've been a fan of RPG's since I first got a Nintendo when I was a kid.  For the longest time, I played turn-based JRPG's. (Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, etc.)  I also played games like Zelda which is, I think, an action adventure game.  I love both types.  When I was in my 20's, I started getting into PC gaming and played NWN, WoW, Fable, and others.   When Dragon Age came out, it was an easy hit for me.  When DA2 came out, it was also a hit with me.  (The biggest problem I had with THAT game was the recycled areas.)  Now DA:I is out and it is also a hit for me.  The style of gameplay has changed slightly, but I'm rather used to playing different types of RPG's so the style change didn't bother me at all.  

 

I don't feel like I was lied to.  Gameplay footage was available for a long time before the game came out so I have a hard time with people crying foul about that.  I also don't understand why some can't allow for the evolution of a gaming franchise. Must all games be the exact same as the original?   I don't think Bioware has some diabolical plan to shape or influence us into liking the direction of their games.  It is THEIR franchise.  They have the creative license to do whatever they will of it. We can either like it or not (or somewhere in between).  If you don't like it, that's perfectly fair but I just can't wrap my head around talk of how we've been somehow cheated.  

 

tl;dr: I'm a long-time RPG fan who plays lots of different types of RPG games and I think whether you like DA:I or not ,is a matter of personal taste, not a matter of maturity or how long you've been playing RPG's (on computer or otherwise).

 

I know this answer wasn't directed at me, but let me butt in a sec, cause I feel it indirectly refers to me or us (the old gen people who cry FOUL). I want to be clear on something. I am very much like you Elsariel, except that I'm older than you, I've started gaming in tabletop D&D first edition, AD&D, CoC, WoD, table and larp, MUDs MUSHes, had a MUD once myself with a friend, and then moved on to graphical when they became available, ended up almost moving to Paris to work for Blizzard, but didn't on account of personal circumstances at that time.

 

I'm not averse to change either. I would -and will- happily buy a new console just to play the new RPGs, Fable Legends namely, and this one. And I would have saved my money, not pre-order and WAITED HAPPILY to get the new console and the game for the new console, IF I HAD BEEN TOLD that the quality in the old console would be severely diminished. You said you don't understand the people who cry foul. I say I understand that nobody has the same tastes and that one thing that I fancy, you may hate, and that's allright. See Oghren. Half the players hated him, half loved him. And that's OK, cause that means he was a well-developed character. My particular "FOUL!!!" is with the deception on Bioware's behalf. Has nothing to do with gameplay or tactics. It has to do with the lack of respect towards the people who pay your god damn bills, and as a company you're obligated to have that respect. This company doesn't. Not only it does not, but it goes KNURD through the other side, with deceitful claims and false advertisement.

 

As far as the gameplay is concerned, the only problem I have is that I don't enjoy placeholder games. SWTOR was a placeholder MMO. And now DA:I is a placeholder RPG. I don't like that. I want to buy a complete game, and I don't enjoy buying sequels. Especially when these sequels cost heaps each. 

 

These are my main objection points. Both of which are directed at a strategic move on behalf of the EA board mainly, based on what they foresee the market will be hip about next year. Well, they're wrong. The market is us. And we aren't happy. 

 

I hope that clarifies my "FOUL!!!" a bit.

[Bioware-Critic]

My particular "FOUL!!!" is with the deception on Bioware's behalf. Has nothing to do with gameplay or tactics. It has to do with the lack of respect towards the people who pay your god damn bills, and as a company you're obligated to have that respect. This company doesn't. Not only it does not, but it goes KNURD through the other side, with deceitful claims and false advertisement.

 

These are my main objection points. Both of which are directed at a strategic move on behalf of the EA board mainly, based on what they foresee the market will be hip about next year. Well, they're wrong. The market is us. And we aren't happy.

 

Yes! The text I highlighted here from your posting above is exactly how I feel about it too!

I would not have bought the game if there had been a chance to know I will be getting a DA2 type of game.

I am happy for everyone who likes and enjoys DA2 and DA:I - but I don't. And I would have appreciated some honesty in advance!

 

 

All these moves from their side are nothing but a strategy to jump on the next trending-train. And they will take a bath on that strategy!

 

I am sure of it

 

Because: RPG-fans buy RPG's - not the Candy-Crush-crowd!

 

The economy guys will have to except this sooner or later! So I say to them ...

 

 

This land has been taken! Get the f*** of my lawn, you punks!

[Keitaro57]

About the "gameplay downgrade" on most recent games, I have a clue.

 

The manuals.

 

With their total and complete disparition, game devs can not make complexe and wide game. Most players have the didacticial of the beginning of the game and... it's all. No manual, no background writed on paper, no complex story arc on your hand, no complex rules over items, no micro-management, no macro-managements, no management at all, always taking the player by the hand because he is to stupid to understand.

 

Yeah, they find we are stupid. We can not read at all for them. On most on my games without any manuals, the internet link to them is a two page PDF that says : "go to this url" who is the same url that the first PDF.

 

When you are facing a BIG game, when you are facing a strange or hard moment, you pause the game and search in the 100+ manual what you have missed. Now, you have quests markers all over the place, enemies that stay still until you understand how to use your skills and a generic gameplay for all the games.

 

Just remember about the new X-com and think about the older one.

[Elsariel]

Anyways, ...
I can understand your position on this and I thank you again for your response. I am a little bit younger than you and we have probaly a lot of common experiences regarding the industry. Therefor I have a question for you in return. I bought FF7, FF9 and FF13-2 when they were on sale. I have played FF7 and I am sure FF9 is good but I am unsure about FF13-2.

Therefor I want to ask you: I s 13-2 worth playing? Because I don't feel like it anymore.

(And I cannot delete it since I downloaded it from the PSN store. That is just impractical to do, if I happen to change my mind)

I could not finish it and I think that is saying something considering how easily entertained I am. I heard Lightning Returns is better but I haven't played it.

[Bioware-Critic]

I could not finish it and I think that is saying something considering how easily entertained I am. I heard Lightning Returns is better but I haven't played it.

 

Thank you for telling me this. I appreciate your honesty

 

Elsariel, may I ask you which FF games you have played and which ones you favor or hold in high regard?

I for example have only played FF7, FF8 and FF12. My reason to ask you this is ... when I got older I favored the FF's less somehow ... I am not as easily impressed anymore. I know what I like and want. FF13-2 seems to be shallow. I bought it out of curiosity and because it was on sale.

 

 

Take care!

[Elsariel]

Thank you for telling me this. I appreciate your honesty

 

Elsariel, may I ask you which FF games you have played and which ones you favor or hold in high regard?

I for example have only played FF7, FF8 and FF12. My reason to ask you this is ... when I got older I favored the FF's less somehow ... I am not as easily impressed anymore. I know what I like and want. FF13-2 seems to be shallow. I bought it out of curiosity and because it was on sale.

 

 

Take care!

 

To be honest, they all seem shallow now but I still play them anyway for nostolgia.  There is a certain something about Final Fantasy that really makes feel happy.  So, I probably will play FF15 when it comes out, too, even though I'm not sure how much I like it (it looks very modern - less like a fantasy).  Final Fantasy is really the only JRPG I actually play nowadays.  

 

My favorites were FF3 (FF6 japanese), FF7, FF8, FF9, and FF10.  Oh, and Final Fantasy Tactics has a special place in my heart. 

[Bioware-Critic]

To be honest, they all seem shallow now but I still play them anyway for nostolgia.  There is a certain something about Final Fantasy that really makes feel happy.  So, I probably will play FF15 when it comes out, too, even though I'm not sure how much I like it (it looks very modern - less like a fantasy).  Final Fantasy is really the only JRPG I actually play nowadays.  

 

My favorites were FF3 (FF6 japanese), FF7, FF8, FF9, and FF10.  Oh, and Final Fantasy Tactics has a special place in my heart. 

 

Thank you very much for your answer! I guess I will have to play the FF's now

 

I will give FF13-2 a chance and try out this new style of "SquEnix" ...

 

I have to admit that I always found the JRPG's in general to be very cheese somehow. And the direction the new FF's took since FF13 and now FF15 isn't really any better in that regard But I guess I will have to give it a chance. I sometimes watch Archengeia (< link!) on yt. He's a big FF-nerd and glooming admirer of FF6. (But I have to warn you - "Arch" is very excentric in his own special way, at times ) And I found an android version of FF6 in the 'net and slapped it on my new tablet. But I did not like it without a controller. I still have to buy the cable needed to connect my PS3 controller to my tablet ... Anyway, I have heard only good things about FF-Tactics. I almost bought it on PSN but the newer version ("The War of the Lion" ... or so) was only compatible with the Vita - not the PS3. And the translation shall be better in TWotL. Time will bring the answer to that problem ...

 

Thank you again for your input

 

Take care, Elsariel!

[Texhnolyze101]

Stop pre-ordering games simply because you like a developer and you wouldn't have this problem.

[Octarin]

Stop pre-ordering games simply because you like a developer and you wouldn't have this problem.

 

Thank you for your reply.

[Waukeen25]

~ Here's fact 1:

 

~ Here's fact 2:

 

~ Here's fact 3:

 

~ And  lastly, here's the hypothetical question:

 

If, at the time the game becomes available pirated, (and if we haven't been told anything, and we still continue to get the silent treatment, ignored by Bioware) I decide to download it and play it pirated, will I be justified? 

 

Let me break down the facts:

 

Fact 1 - Figure your old record has less issues than this game.  Plus you should be luck you got a disk that works.  I wouldn't have be surprised if this constitutes promise made, promise kept in paying money to EAWare for the game.

 

Also, why does no one ever link to articles for a system the mention?  In this case you mention PC and should link to it not like it will help anyone which I will explain in Fact 2.

 

Fact 2 - Right?  How dare we ask for information that would quell a lot of the anger on this forum towards EAWare.  Not all mind you but most.  Oh wait I forgot, EAWare knows that there are no bugs because according to a certain dev (you know who you are) the key drop issue in multiplayer was reported only a week or so ago.  Ignore the fact that this issue happened with the release of the Destruction "DLC" and has been happening frequently on some runs.  Oh right most of the devs follow Reddit more than the OFFICIAL FORUMS.  My bad, we were reporting it wrong apparently.

 

Fact 3 - It is cracked already.  But I really appreciate the fact that paying customers continue to get shafted with DRM which doesn't solve anything.

 

Fact 4 - Cant really blame the place you bought it from for not wanting to have people buy a game use whatever codes it might have and have it returned in a state which is cannot be resold in.

 

Finally - Careful about that, its likely to get you banned on the forums just for mentioning pirating something.

 

Is it me or is the whole situation a bit off?..

 

//I own my copy of Dragon Age: Inquisition and I don't do into playing counterfeit games. I watch the situation as a Bioware supporter, not the otherwise.

 

Whats wrong with the situation?  All we do is whine and cry when a game which we paid for is having issues that take away out enjoyment.  How dare we.

 

I used to be a supporter but this game is what broke my back with EAWare.  I will continue to play DAI as long as I still find it fun but I will not be buying another EAWare game again until it is on a deep discount, if at all.

[Octarin]

Let me break down the facts:

 

Fact 1 - Figure your old record has less issues than this game.  Plus you should be luck you got a disk that works.  I wouldn't have be surprised if this constitutes promise made, promise kept in paying money to EAWare for the game.

 

Also, why does no one ever link to articles for a system the mention?  In this case you mention PC and should link to it not like it will help anyone which I will explain in Fact 2.

 

Fact 2 - Right?  How dare we ask for information that would quell a lot of the anger on this forum towards EAWare.  Not all mind you but most.  Oh wait I forgot, EAWare knows that there are no bugs because according to a certain dev (you know who you are) the key drop issue in multiplayer was reported only a week or so ago.  Ignore the fact that this issue happened with the release of the Destruction "DLC" and has been happening frequently on some runs.  Oh right most of the devs follow Reddit more than the OFFICIAL FORUMS.  My bad, we were reporting it wrong apparently.

 

Fact 3 - It is cracked already.  But I really appreciate the fact that paying customers continue to get shafted with DRM which doesn't solve anything.

 

Fact 4 - Cant really blame the place you bought it from for not wanting to have people buy a game use whatever codes it might have and have it returned in a state which is cannot be resold in.

 

Finally - Careful about that, its likely to get you banned on the forums just for mentioning pirating something.

 

 

Whats wrong with the situation?  All we do is whine and cry when a game which we paid for is having issues that take away out enjoyment.  How dare we.

 

I used to be a supporter but this game is what broke my back with EAWare.  I will continue to play DAI as long as I still find it fun but I will not be buying another EAWare game again until it is on a deep discount, if at all.

 

Thank you for your reply. Yes I am aware that I may get banned for mentioning piracy. I took the risk, regardless. The truth is, as things stand, I don't have much else to lose, except my account. If they want to take that away too, they have the right, but they definitely won't be taking my money anymore if that happens, and they will definitely be pushing me to tell people who ask me whether or not DA:I is worth it not to buy it. And believe me, people do ask me. I'm not all that insignificant as a gamer and game tester after 20 years of experience. People do come to me for advise, which they follow.

 

So, it's basically down to how Bioware wants to play this game. Do they want us to cooperate? Gladly, and that's what we've been howling for, for over two months now. We are here, we are waiting. They are the ones ignoring us. Do they want to keep ignoring us, and shove us under the carpet like so much dirt? I'd be disappointed but not surprised. And if that happens, depriving the company from more players would be a duty. Don't you think? 

[DaemionMoadrin]

Thank you for your reply. Yes I am aware that I may get banned for mentioning piracy.

 

Then don't talk about piracy! Talk about copyright violation instead.

 

Mind you, I got suspended for a week for something not covered by the rules...

[Octarin]

Then don't talk about piracy! Talk about copyright violation instead.

 

Mind you, I got suspended for a week for something not covered by the rules...

 

And just say the same thing with different words? Beating around the bush isn't what's gonna solve these problems. My point with this thread is to make Bioware aware that if they continue treating us despicably, many players who are shunned by the company will turn to pirated copies. 

 

[btw, I did say I am getting an xbone just for this game and Fable Legends, so that defeats the argument that I will be getting the game pirated myself. as i said in the thread title, the question is hypothetical.]

[Voodoo Dancer]

good luck waiting on BW to do anything or even mention anything, im still waiting on my Rachni fleet to put in an appearance.                                                                        BTW I got DA:I on my PS3 , and at times the game was crashing and taking my ps3 out with it every 20 minutes or so , drove me crazy,  used to be I couldn't wait for a BW game to come out , going to have to start waiting now , though I said that with ME3 too .

[Octarin]

good luck waiting on BW to do anything or even mention anything, im still waiting on my Rachni fleet to put in an appearance.                                                                        BTW I got DA:I on my PS3 , and at times the game was crashing and taking my ps3 out with it every 20 minutes or so , drove me crazy,  used to be I couldn't wait for a BW game to come out , going to have to start waiting now , though I said that with ME3 too .

 

Thank you for your reply.

[Blackzio]

i think this is totally justified. 

 

companies want to go on and on on how you don't buy the disk, you buy the digital rights, guess what, you bought the digital rights, you supported the game, and gave them money.

 

edit: not that i ever would promote such an action, this is just hypothetical.  

[Octarin]

i think this is totally justified. 

 

companies want to go on and on on how you don't buy the disk, you buy the digital rights, guess what, you bought the digital rights, you supported the game, and gave them money.

 

edit: not that i ever would promote such an action, this is just hypothetical.  

 

Thank you for your reply. I pre-ordered the disc actually, have it here looking at me. And ofc, as I said all along, a hypothetical question...