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[ThelLastTruePatriot]

 I just can't help but think of Joan of Arc when it comes to andraste and I am sure that bioware took inspiration from her (right down to how she died). Joan is also the perfect example of how legend overtakes historical fact. In the case of the inquisitor, it is probably necessary. It makes for a much better story if the "Herald of Andraste" conquered Corypheus rather than Cadash the lyrium smuggler.

[leaguer of one]

Likely? It is a certainty. 

 

It's clearly something that the Andrastians want and something that Bioware wants for their games.

 

They'll take a heathen ox-man, a savage elf, an alcoholic midget, just as long as they can beat their chests, bask in their delusional superiority, and claim that the Maker did it.

 

It's the tragic flaw for me at this point in the franchise and why I miss being the Champ and being the Hero.

That's not the flaw of the series. That just them showing human nature. The games better for allowing the player more then one race.

[RepHope]

People believe what they want to believe. They want to believe the Maker cares about them so they force you in the role of his Herald. That is simply how history will remember you.

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

 Yep is is unavoidable in a game world dominated by the andrastian faith. Even moreso however, bioware just needs a broad spectrum title for the main character, just like past characters in the series, Hero of Ferelden, Champion of Kirkwall, and now Herald of Andraste.

[RepHope]

They did base it off of Joan.

There aren't any outlandish legends of her though. It's all on record (in her court trials) what she did. Pretty interesting history (I recommend a book called the Virgin Warrior). The thing up for question is what she believed. Which is badly accepted even in her own time (at least for the English).

I seem to recall that we've still got some of Joan's letters that show she really did believe she was on a mission from God. Her words at her trial certainly seemed to portray her as one who was of great faith.

[Fiddles dee dee]

...is that our Inquisitors will likely go down in history as the "Herald of Andraste" and leaders of an organization that derives much of its power from faith, regardless of the fact that I used every opportunity to emphasize that I'm not anyone's Herald and that people should start believing in this world rather than the next. I'll end up strengthening Andrastianism even though my Inquisitor doesn't believe in the Maker, even though as a mage she has an axe to grind with the faith, and even though avoiding exactly that was one of my most important secondary goals.

 

Well, it's all in Bioware's hands now, and nobody has much of a say about their picture in the history books, but my Inquisitor is trying to be a good ruler and do well by all she's responsible for. It would be really nice if fate reciprocated and didn't let her truth vanish without trace from the world. 

 

This is actually an interesting point. 

I felt like BioWare were playing around with the concept of Faith and Freedom being mutually exclusive during the first act or so but that gets thrown out the window for the old "powerful being wishing death upon the world" business which is nowhere near as interesting to me.

 

Your point has some really interesting ramifications for future sequels and would allow that thread of Faith vs Freedom to be re-examined later.

[Ieldra]

A hundred years later, hidden away in some lost ruin, a tome of history writtern by Cassandra will be found outlining the truth about the Herald of Andraste.

 

The tome will be summarily burnt by the Chantry faithful as heretical.

...and if anything's left of the woman who did all this, she'll ask herself "Why did I save them again?"

 

Also yeah, Cassandra would write this. One of my favorite lines in the game is hers: "The world needs the truth this time, no more legends lost to the ages."

[N7recruit]

From a Development standpoint you can't expect Bioware to Track your Inquisitor being a Believer or not in future Dragon Age Games, Seeing as it would be irrelevant/meaningless to anyone other than the inquisitor themselves. 

 

Also throw in that your inquisitor will become a minor/ irrelevant NPC at best in the subsequent games. Or Bioware will kill them off in the expansion 

[leaguer of one]

This is actually an interesting point. 

I felt like BioWare were playing around with the concept of Faith and Freedom being mutually exclusive during the first act or so but that gets thrown out the window for the old "powerful being wishing death upon the world" business which is nowhere near as interesting to me.

 

Your point has some really interesting ramifications for future sequels and would allow that thread of Faith vs Freedom to be re-examined later.

Solas covers that point at the temple of Mythal. The elven gods went really gods but powerful beings that the ignorant called gods. Your own personal faith is not going to influence what others think.

[yankblan]

They did base it off of Joan. 

 

There aren't any outlandish legends of her though. It's all on record (in her court trials) what she did. Pretty interesting history (I recommend a book called the Virgin Warrior). The thing up for question is what she believed. Which was badly accepted even in her own time (at least for the English).

 

 

 

 

I'll respectfully disagree there. I don't think the races do much of anything. Except give players some private satisfaction for their avatar of choice.

 

No, the race gives depth to the politics and wars in the world; I mean, how interesting would it be if everybody got along?

 

Also, it's a lot more PC to have racism between Humans, Elves, Dwarves, Qunari then Whites, Blacks, Asians, Natives and so on...

[EmissaryofLies]

That's not the flaw of the series. That just them showing human nature. The games better for allowing the player more then one race.

It's a flaw; the other titles were earned, Inquisitions "Herald" falls hopelessly short.

This is Hawke's game anyway. This "Inquisitor" doesn't even begin to fit, regardless of race.

[leaguer of one]

I think there's a bit of foreshadowing right at the beginning of the game.. when you're in Haven and some elf npc is talking to a Chantry sister. He wonders if they'll add new verses to the Chant about the Herald closing the breech. Then he says "I heard there was an elf in the Chant once."

 

Chantry sister: "No. That never happened.."

It the theory are correct, Solas must be facepalming hard.

[RepHope]

It the theory are correct, Solas must be facepalming hard.

Isn't that theory basically: Solas is bald. Shartan is bald. Therefore Shartan = Solas.

[leaguer of one]

It's a flaw; the other titles were earned, Inquisitions "Herald" falls hopelessly short.

This is Hawke's game anyway. This "Inquisitor" doesn't even begin to fit, regardless of race.

No it's not. How does this not show human nature at it's core.  Ignore the fact that the game religious tone is not bending to you will and look at how the people around your character acts. This show how people act with things they don't understand and that is an important not. Even Flemeth pointed out, people don't care about the true. The beginning of the games show the  pros of faith and the end shows the cons. How is that a flaw in story telling.

[yankblan]

In the world, yes. Here, not so much. This is a story of Orlesian/Ferelden/Chantry politics. Not the world. The only other race with it's business and fate really intertwined with Southern humans is the elves.

 

I could see a much more badass Vashoth storyline in the north, where you struggle with/against other Qunari. Struggling with both Tevinter and Par vollen politics. Here, it's just unrealized potential. The dwarves could have been cool, but you can't even play a Carta guy manipulating everything for the lyrium trade. You're just a dwarf acting like a human.

 

Yeah you're right, I just lost sight of what the thread was about...

[leaguer of one]

In the world, yes. Here, not so much. This is a story of Orlesian/Ferelden/Chantry politics. Not the world. The only other race with it's business and fate really intertwined with Southern humans is the elves.

 

I could see a much more badass Vashoth storyline in the north, where you struggle with/against other Qunari. Struggling with both Tevinter as well. Here, it's just unrealized potential. The dwarves could have been cool, but you can't even play a Carta guy manipulating everything for the lyrium trade. You're just a dwarf acting like a human.

You missed the fact that the Vashoth in the south have to deal with the fact the everyone hates them for how they look and blame them and act out in revenge on them for the actions of the qunari. Post 9:35 was not a good time for a Vashoth.

[Fiddles dee dee]

Solas covers that point at the temple of Mythal. The elven gods went really gods but powerful beings that the ignorant called gods. Your own personal faith is not going to influence what others think.

 

That's not what a Faith vs Freedom false dichotomy would explore but yes that is yet another thread that could be used for a different story at some other time. 

[leaguer of one]

Isn't that theory basically: Solas is bald. Shartan is bald. Therefore Shartan = Solas.

It's way more then that. It's also Shartan is hold a key in mural is really the achor, with Shartan in another mural with an orb that the same orb in dai, Solas woke up 1000 years ago at the time of Andraste, and Hubris having the shard having the share of every foolish king suddenly dropping Shartan's sword.

[EmissaryofLies]

No it's not. How does this not show human nature at it's core.  Ignore the fact that the game religious tone is not bending to you will and look at how the people around your character acts. This show how people act with things they don't understand and that is an important not. Even Flemeth pointed out, people don't care about the true. The beginning of the games show the  pros of faith and the end shows the cons. How is that a flaw in story telling.

It's why I said "it's the tragic flaw for me", instead of acting as if I expected others to share my opinion as if it were fact.

I do not agree with your interpretation of how that title is used over the player's head. I see it as a flaw, an imperfection, because it does not share the qualities of its superior predecessors.

[Iakus]

Oh I know, I know. It is sad, however, to think of it all completely vanishing from the world. If my Inquisitor's truth survived as some form of secret history only known by a few scholars looked down on by others, that would be enough.

"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend"

 

[EmissaryofLies]

I don't think they could do it better. Not when market forces/EA/fans what have you start dictating new direction.

 

Now I know why DG refers to himself merely as a mid-level employee. I thought he was just being humble before. lol

 

All that they have to do is create "Origins II".

 

Mass Effect did it twice; not sure what DA's issue is.