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I wish there was a Thorian species in the Mass Effect universe


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Axleonex

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When I had first heard of the Asari race, I really liked the idea of a romantic long-living species that could be in a romance with any alien race. Now I feel its a bit silly, the entire idea is REALLY unrealistic on a massive scale. It's still pretty original, but now the whole "female species" seems a little forced.

 

Something I would've felt to make more sense is some sort of unisex species. A species that could procreate asexually and still be romantic with anyone regardless of Alien anatomy. After thinking more about the Thorian species, a plant race would've been perfect as an exotic alien race. A Thorian species could exist as intelligent plant people that are indifferent to sexuality or looks.

 

Thorians could be shapeshifters. Similar to the Asari clone, Thorians could change their body shape according to however they feel other people will be comfortable with. The shapeshifting could require a stasis sleep. A cool feature would be for the main character choose what they want their Thorian ally to look like.

 

So would that make this Thorian race transgender? Or genderless? Idk, I'd probably make my Thorian look like a salarian.



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You can even have them as squadmates... ;)

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Well I wouldn't want them to be added because of unisexual/asexual/trans-gender reasons; I mean its a plant, why would it even look at animals in a sexual manner? But I would be all for encountering a Thorian in ME:N.

 

 

The amount of truly 'alien' aliens in Mass Effect is very limited, and out of all the aliens in the setting the Thorian was pretty unique. I would love to discover a new Thorian; one that doesn't instantly try and kill the player; and maybe even ally with it. Communicating via a clone or 'pod person' like in ME1; a construct that could speak for the 'Old Growth'. I would love to see it's perspective on the galaxy, and to see what it thinks about the other species of the galaxy.



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I've actually thought about Thorian sexuality(Don't judge me). I think a Thorian plant species would be asexual. As in, they wouldn't really be interested in sex, but maybe they'd believe in romance. I think they would be incapable of reproducing with a different species, but would still willing to procreate a baby groot to look like (or be named after) their significant others.

 

I'll admit that a transgender species probably would be a little weird, but bioware is pretty liberal when it comes to romance. It shouldn't be a problem so long it's a choice and not forced onto anyone. (I'd probably rather befriend a thorian plant then romance him/her)



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I'm also not a fan of Asari. A race of hot alien babes that will sex anyone and anything and live for a thousand years is just... blergh. Abit juvinile but i see the appeal.

The Thorian was cool and i'd be happy to see it in the next ME game somewhere but i hope the new speices don't live for a millenia, i mean how do you go about writing something that has experiences and learned so much? I just think it's almost beyond human comprehension.

 

But an ofshoot Groot rip off that had powers that focused on control would be great.



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I don't want the aliens in the setting to be reduced to soapboxes for [insert political/cultural/religious statement here].


I have nothing against BioWare exploring these issues with human characters, but turning an alien species into the posterchild of some human viewpoint or belief really cheapens the setting (IMO); it makes it seem like everything revolves around us and our issues.



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If you know your lore you'd know that the Asari are unisex, but for that to work they'd have to have wombs... Ergo: they come closest to our females.

Personally I think the protheans are responsible for this little treat ;)



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If you know your lore you'd know that the Asari are unisex, but for that to work they'd have to have wombs... Ergo: they come closest to our females.

Personally I think the protheans are responsible for this little treat ;)

 

If Asari were somehow a result of Prothean/Reaper experimentation, I'd probably like the Asari a lot more.



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They're not. Again, and a lot of people seem to ignore or forget this, evolution DOES NOT WORK THAT FAST. Not in any species with a time to sexual maturity of decades or longer.

 

Humans have existed in their current form for three to five MILLION years, and the precursors for longer than that. 50,000 years is barely long enough for Prothean genetic tampering to enable all asari to tap their natural biotic potential without the need for biotic amps.

 

The idea that somehow the Protheans 'engineered' the Asari into their current form a mere 50k years ago is beyond laughable.


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I've actually thought about Thorian sexuality(Don't judge me). I think a Thorian plant species would be asexual. As in, they wouldn't really be interested in sex, but maybe they'd believe in romance. I think they would be incapable of reproducing with a different species, but would still willing to procreate a baby groot to look like (or be named after) their significant others.

 

I'll admit that a transgender species probably would be a little weird, but bioware is pretty liberal when it comes to romance. It shouldn't be a problem so long it's a choice and not forced onto anyone. (I'd probably rather befriend a thorian plant then romance him/her)

 

umm most plants reproduce via sexual reproduction and not asexual reproduction, if a plant was sentient it would be as likely motivated by sex as an animal. At least from a purely biological perspective. 


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They're not. Again, and a lot of people seem to ignore or forget this, evolution DOES NOT WORK THAT FAST. Not in any species with a time to sexual maturity of decades or longer.

 

Humans have existed in their current form for three to five MILLION years, and the precursors for longer than that. 50,000 years is barely long enough for Prothean genetic tampering to enable all asari to tap their natural biotic potential without the need for biotic amps.

 

The idea that somehow the Protheans 'engineered' the Asari into their current form a mere 50k years ago is beyond laughable.

 

 

You are right in you assertion about evolution and the protheans but wrong about the facts. You also preclude the possibility that the Protheans didn't just genetically engineer the Asari to how they wanted which would not require Evolutionary time scales.

 

Hominids have been around between 1.3 and 1.8 million years that is it not 3 to 5 million years and that is the first branch of the evolutionary journey that creates modern humans. we are quite young on the evolutionary scale.

 

 

 

H0mo erectus and H0mo ergaster were the first of the hominina 1.3 to 1.8 million years ago. It is believed that these species were the first to use fire and complex tools.

Modern humans are not that old only 200,000 years or so...

Nomenclature and anatomy
 

The binomial name for the taxonomic species of the human population is H0mo sapiens. The species is usually taken to have emerged from a predecessor within the H0mo genus around 200,000 years ago.[10][11]

 


Anatomically modern humans evolved from archaic H0mo sapiens in the Middle Paleolithic, about 200,000 years ago.[3] The emergence of anatomically modern human marks the dawn of the subspecies H0mo sapiens sapiens,[4] i.e. the subspecies of H0mo sapiens that includes all modern humans. The oldest fossil remains of anatomically modern humans are the Omo remains, which date to 195,000 (±5,000) years ago and include two partial skulls as well as arm, leg, foot and pelvis bones.[5][6]

Other fossils include the proposed H0mo sapiens idaltu from Herto in Ethiopia that are almost 160,000 years old[7] and remains from Skhul in Israel that are 90,000 years old.[8] The oldest human fossil from which an entire genome has been extracted belongs to a man who lived about 45,000 years ago in Western Siberia.[9]

 

Source  http://en.wikipedia....y_modern_humans

 

What's not unreasonable is for protheans to genetically modify a species 50,000 years ago to obtain traits they wanted in the species. These wouldn't be subtle changes the shaped natural evolution but radical changes that replaced the natural evolution of the species. It is not unreasonable for the Protheans to have genetically engineered the Asari to be longer lived and that advantage spread to the entire species  in 50,000 years. populations in pre aquarian societies are very small so giving one group this technology as well as mathematics, along with genetically engineering them could result in this one group supplanting the entire "stock" version of the species in said time. The Neaderthals died out only 30,000 years ago. So 50,000 years is within the time frame but this means the protheans had to make radical changes not subtle changes that let natural evolution take its course with a slight push.

H0mo neanderthalensis, which became extinct 30,000 years ago, has sometimes been classified as a subspecies, "H0mo sapiens neanderthalensis";

source http://en.wikipedia....ki/Homo_sapiens

 

If a group of Protheans gave technological and Genetic advantages to one group of Asari 50,000 years ago it is not outside the time scales we are talking about for this Asari Superious to replace all the Asari naturalis. Having both a genetic and a technological advantage over other Asari would be bad enough but these Asari Superious would also have a numerical advantage as well that an agrarian society has over a hunter gatherer society. Also if these genetic advantages were dominate then they could and would be passed down when the two groups interbreed thus you don't need to conceive of all the "old" asari as dying but rather being breed out as well as natural population reducers that agrarian societies have on hunter gatherer societies which would have eradicated some groups that were on the margins of survival to begin with without any other advantages like we have seen happen here on earth. Agrarian societies in and of themselves can have a devastating effect on hunter gatherer societies when these two groups collide, add in a biological advantage and I think the results could be even more devastating. 

 

Is it beyond the scope of Prothean technology to genetically modify the Asari and to make said alterations genetically dominate?   I don't think so.

 

please excuse using H0mo as using h omo cause the stupid censor to go into overdrive.


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Axleonex

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This is an extremely well analysis of the Asari



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How about a Farscape RPG? You could have a character who is both a plant AND a blue alien chick. :D

 

On a more serious note, I shiver to think of what an entire race of thorians could do. One of them basically messed up an entire planet. I am sure, if there were more of them, the Reapers wouldn't have ignored that for long.

I very much like the thorian we got. The idea behind it was really original on many levels. I also wouldn't mind running into another one. But I am not sold on the idea of a whole race of shapeshifting spore-mindwashing thrall killing superplants.