If the Breach hadn't happened, would peace have been possible?
The fact that both sides actually agreed to the Conclave indicates that there was some hope, if only out of weariness.
What do you believe that this peace would entail? Would it be temporary or long-term? Who would have to concede the most, assuming that a balance isn't possible?
I think there wouldn't be peace. I think varric was right about the conclave not being able to work. I suppose anything is possible though
possibly...............errrr...................maybe not.......................I see a compromise at best
the war took its toll on both the mages and templars hence them agreeing to go to the conclave in the first place so i believe that an agreement would have been reached.
Peace?
Some random **** would have just happened and then it would have be round 2 
As someone who really hates it when the player character is The Only One Who Can Fix Anything, I'd say there was definitely a chance. Many of the best minds of all three sides (Chantry, templars, mages) attended, and I think they'd have made an effort. If anything, Fiona's absence is a good thing considering how selfish and useless she comes across as. Likewise with Lucius because he was most likely already corrupt by then -- learning his orders' dirty secrets snapped him even before he gave himself to Envy and Corypheus.
They would've accused each other of corruption in their drinks and lead an Exalted March against each others on the pretense of demonic spitballs in their drinks.
Nope. The radicalized elements on both sides wouldn't have allowed it to happen.
It certainly would have been possible: Lucius couldn't have influenced since he didn't go (and they'd be able to tell he was a demon, I think), and Fiona wouldn't have mucked it up.
It certainly would have been possible: Lucius couldn't have influenced since he didn't go (and they'd be able to tell he was a demon, I think), and Fiona wouldn't have mucked it up.
Lucius and Fiona were still the leaders of their respective sides of the conflict. Nothing would have been set in stone without both of them approving it.
Lucius and Fiona were still the leaders of their respective sides of the conflict. Nothing would have been set in stone without both of them approving it.
I think the Mages would have been like.
"Fiona darling your dementia is showing again." 
I think the Mages would have been like.
"Fiona darling your dementia is showing again."
You think the mages would have said that? The same ones that went along with the Tevinter deal?
To be honest I believe that the Conclave was doomed to fail.
You think the mages would have said that? The same ones that went along with the Tevinter deal?
Considering how much dissent was in the ranks?
Yeah, I do.
I think if she turned down a peace deal her rebellion would have disintegrated around her.
Do you really think there was any chance of an honest peace deal being proposed by either side?
Considering how much dissent was in the ranks?
Yeah, I do.
I think if she turthat down a peace deal her rebellion would have disintegrated around her.
If the Breach hadn't happened, would peace have been possible?
The fact that both sides actually agreed to the Conclave indicates that there was some hope, if only out of weariness.
What do you believe that this peace would entail? Would it be temporary or long-term? Who would have to concede the most, assuming that a balance isn't possible?
I doubt the Templars would've gone for it as at this time Lucius was probably corrupted by Corypheus and joined with him and started along the path to turning the Templars into Red Templars. For logistic reasons mainly, as an entire Order can't be corrupted in the span of just a few weeks. Moreover, Templars started taking red lyrium a while back (if Hawke was Viscount) and Denam knew about it all -- we'll ignore the fact that I actually don't think an entire side of the conflict could be wiped away into Corypheus' army in a continent-spanning war.
Fiona might've been obstinate but even she knew war couldn't last forever. I think she'd be stubborn in her terms but would continue to listen for a while.
Do you really think there was any chance of an honest peace deal being proposed by either side?
@ShadowLordXII
To be perfectly honest, I think the Conclave was Justinia's futile attempt to end to the M/T war peacefully. However, IMHO if the breach never happened she would still have a very difficult situation to deal with. While both the Mages and Templars appear to have agreed to meet, neither sides leaders came in person. From what I saw in my PT it looks like both sides may have suspected a trap, and sent representatives rather then to go in person. This tells me that they didn't trust the Divine enough to come in person.
Justinia would have been in a situation where to gain the support of one side, she would likely have to come down on the other. We see this type of tactic in Asunder where she used appeasement to try and keep both sides loyal to her, but in the end lost both.
That's just my opinion though.
Modifié par Rinshikai10, 17 janvier 2015 - 05:41 .
I think it possible, but unlikely. At best, they could have reached a temporary truce, but hostilities would have fired up again sooner or later. I think Corypheus taking over one side is what helped enable the conflict to end.
I imagine it would have ended like most debates here do. Each side would have stormed off to plot genocide.
No.
But I think the Chantry could have metted out terms that were agreeable at least in part to both sides.
I think you're overestimating how much influence the Chantry had with the mages and templars by that point. The templars made it pretty clear what they thought of the Chantry in Val Royeaux, and the mages viewed them as tacitly approving the templars. I doubt the Chantry would have been able to force anything down either of their throats.
No. Mages want freedom, Templars want mages to be reigned in. Theres not much way to compromise. Mages at this point wouldnt agree to anything with the Templars a part of it. Templars don't trust mages enough to not be a part of it.
Justinia was in a bad spot. If it came down to it she would have had to back the Templars. Mages are feared by the average citizen and the Chantrys own teachings say they need to be watched so she couldn;t call for the common people to fight for them against the Templars who the average person sees as their guardians against demons and bad mages. She has no way to force Templars to do anything if they have another source of Lyrium.
Hmmm. The Chantry relied on Lyrium to control the Templars too much. They should have been indoctrinated more into the Chantry so they would be loyal to the Divine out of faith rather than being subservient because the Chantry was their pusher.
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